Fat Acceptance...

[Instinct27]

I just read this about the dangers of fat acceptance...

I didn't even know there were people that were FOR fat acceptance. The links in the article are kinda scary.

*Link*

 

[Angelhalo]

 

[CathrynRose]

Yeah really. You took the roll right outta my eyes.

 

[Nennie]

You mean there are people out there who are overweight, yet still have self confidence and a positive body image? Next you are going to tell me that they are actually HAPPY and have LOVING FAMILIES!!

Oh the horror!!!!

 

[JimB.]

Respectfully, I think the point some people have (myself included) is that while it is OK (actually fine I guess) that overweight people have a "positive body image", it is not HEALTHY. In any way, shape, fashion or form. None. The adverse health effects are numerous, proven & undeniable.

If a "large" person believes that their lifestyle is good, they are fooling themselves. Denial of an unhealthy lifestyle does not make it ok. I link them into the same category as smokers, alcohol & substance abusers.

The thing is that, in most (but not necessarily all) cases, this is due to a sedentary lifestyle & an unwillingness to make the right decisions for a healthy lifestyle. It's easier to cry for "acceptance" than it is to lose the weight. That would take work.

 

[Robinrs]

Respectfully, I think the point some people have (myself included) is that while it is OK (actually fine I guess) that overweight people have a "positive body image", it is not HEALTHY. In any way, shape, fashion or form. None. The adverse health effects are numerous, proven & undeniable.

If a "large" person believes that their lifestyle is good, they are fooling themselves. Denial of an unhealthy lifestyle does not make it ok. I link them into the same category as smokers, alcohol & substance abusers.

The thing is that, in most (but not necessarily all) cases, this is due to a sedentary lifestyle & an unwillingness to make the right decisions for a healthy lifestyle. It's easier to cry for "acceptance" than it is to lose the weight. That would take work.

Name ONE overweight person who does NOT know that. They know it more than you ever will.

It's assinine and ignorant to assume that anyone with this albatross has no clue, they get told it by society MINUTEly. Not daily, not hourly, every single minute of the day.

Acceptance is not an acceptance of just dealing with it, it's being accepted for being a human being. They may be working on it, they may work on it in the future but they deserve the acceptance of being a human being.

God forbid lets not forget to remind them again so they can straighten up and fly right...

 

[jrmasm]

Acceptance is not an acceptance of just dealing with it, it's being accepted for being a human being.

When do smokers get to be human beings?

 

[NMAmy]

Isn't this the same website that said poor people were happier than wealthy people because they got to watch more television?

 

[Robinrs]

When do smokers get to be human beings?

Smokers are affecting OTHER people with their habit.... how does that compare?????

 

[Carly_Roach]

When do smokers get to be human beings?

 

[Robinrs]

Isn't this the same website that said poor people were happier than wealthy people because they got to watch more television?

I guess as long as there is an "opinion" there is a website!

 

[Barbossa]

Name ONE overweight person who does NOT know that. They know it more than you ever will.

It's assinine and ignorant to assume that anyone with this albatross has no clue, they get told it by society MINUTEly. Not daily, not hourly, every single minute of the day.

Acceptance is not an acceptance of just dealing with it, it's being accepted for being a human being. They may be working on it, they may work on it in the future but they deserve the acceptance of being a human being.

God forbid lets not forget to remind them again so they can straighten up and fly right...

You said this more eloquently than I ever could. Are overweight people, accutely aware of, and forever trying to remedy their condition, supposed to add self-loathing to their burden? I guess they and smokers are the last great target. Since mean people can't overtly go after any other group, they choose to crap on these people. Don't be surprised if some of them throw it right back at them.

 

[Dolce27]

Smokers are affecting OTHER people with their habit.... how does that compare?????

My mom is affecting me by her poor lifestyle choices. She’s seriously overweight and has type II diabetes brought on by her weight. I sometimes wonder if she’ll live to see next year. It hurts me to watch her killing herself with food – because that’s what she is doing. She’s literally killing herself with food and as someone who loves her very much, it's very hard to watch her do this. And before anyone goes off on me – I lost 70 lbs two years ago because I wanted my health back and didn’t want to face diabetes and other health issues brought on by poor eating habits. It’s hard to lose weight, I can say that from first hand expereince, but it’s worth it for your health and lifestyle.

 

[labdogs42]

I don't get the impression that this "fat acceptance" blogger is saying eat whatever you want and don't exercise.
http://kateharding.net/but-dont-you-realize-fat-is-unhealthy/ (warning, some adult language is used in that post)

 

[JimB.]

It's assinine and ignorant to assume that anyone with this albatross has no clue,

Please point out where in my post I stated that overweight people "have no clue".

What I SAID (& do not go putting words in my mouth) is that many (& again, not all) people's overweight condition is self-inflicted, and that many (& again, not all) overweight people maintain that state because they are unwilling to make the healthy lifestyle choices needed to change that condition.

And nowhere did I state that overweight people should not be accepted "as a human being". That assertion on your part is just plain "asinine & ignorant". You will note, if you reread my original post CAREFULLY is that I said

that while it is OK (actually fine I guess) that overweight people have a "positive body image",

It is the HEALTH aspects of it I am concerned with. If a person is content being overweight, fine. But do not expect society as a whole to agree that it is ok to BE that way. T2 Diabetes, cardiovascular disease, pulmonary disease, muscle & joint issues, hypertension are all risks that are (while not exclusive to) associated with obesity to a higher degree. It is associated with a reduced lifespan & higher healthcare costs. That is undeniable.

 

[SharpMomOfTwo]

My mom is affecting me by her poor lifestyle choices. She’s seriously overweight and has type II diabetes brought on by her weight. I sometimes wonder if she’ll live to see next year. It hurts me to watch her killing herself with food – because that’s what she is doing. She’s literally killing herself with food and as someone who loves her very much, it's very hard to watch her do this. And before anyone goes off on me – I lost 70 lbs two years ago because I wanted my health back and didn’t want to face diabetes and other health issues brought on by poor eating habits. It’s hard to lose weight, I can say that from first hand expereince, but it’s worth it for your health and lifestyle.

Yeah, both my DM and SIL with be dead and burried soon if they don't change their ways - and I don't see either of them ever changing themselves. DM eats out at least 1-2 meals a day, and is just getting bigger by the moment (all the while saying she is dieting! ). DSIL is 30 and has an appt to see yet another a heart Dr because there is something wrong with her heart - now I'm not saying that she has a heart problem because of her weight, but weighing 350 ain't helping!

I've lost 54 lbs so far, and I have more to go - I know how hard it is to eat right and exercise (I just started jogging! ), but when you see the people around you - isn't that worth it?? I want to be around as long as I can for my baby girls, and their baby girls, and their baby girls....
Anything worth having is worth working for, JMHO.

 

[ChrizJen]

Isn't this the same website that said poor people were happier than wealthy people because they got to watch more television?

Yep, I think so...

Smokers are affecting OTHER people with their habit.... how does that compare?????

EXACTLY!!!

My mom is affecting me by her poor lifestyle choices. She’s seriously overweight and has type II diabetes brought on by her weight. I sometimes wonder if she’ll live to see next year. It hurts me to watch her killing herself with food – because that’s what she is doing. She’s literally killing herself with food and as someone who loves her very much, it's very hard to watch her do this. And before anyone goes off on me – I lost 70 lbs two years ago because I wanted my health back and didn’t want to face diabetes and other health issues brought on by poor eating habits. It’s hard to lose weight, I can say that from first hand expereince, but it’s worth it for your health and lifestyle.

I'm sorry that it makes you sad to see your mom overweight and unhealthy. But your argument still does not make the comparison between smoking and being overweight a valid one. Your mom's weight might make you sad, and it may be difficult for you to see her that way. But ultimately, it's only HER health that she is affecting. Not yours. Her weight has no physical affect on you or your health. If she were a smoker on the other hand, blowing smoke in your face, then she WOULD be placing your health at risk. Still no comparison.

ETA: Oh! And good for you and the others who have lost weight!
You should be proud of your accomplishment. But it'll have to be a personal decision that your loved ones will have to make (same as it was for you.) You'll never be able to make that decision for them.

 

[Angelhalo]

Name ONE overweight person who does NOT know that. They know it more than you ever will.

It's assinine and ignorant to assume that anyone with this albatross has no clue, they get told it by society MINUTEly. Not daily, not hourly, every single minute of the day.

Acceptance is not an acceptance of just dealing with it, it's being accepted for being a human being. They may be working on it, they may work on it in the future but they deserve the acceptance of being a human being.

God forbid lets not forget to remind them again so they can straighten up and fly right...

 

[Stitchfans]

Respectfully, I think the point some people have (myself included) is that while it is OK (actually fine I guess) that overweight people have a "positive body image", it is not HEALTHY. In any way, shape, fashion or form. None. The adverse health effects are numerous, proven & undeniable.

If a "large" person believes that their lifestyle is good, they are fooling themselves. Denial of an unhealthy lifestyle does not make it ok. I link them into the same category as smokers, alcohol & substance abusers.

The thing is that, in most (but not necessarily all) cases, this is due to a sedentary lifestyle & an unwillingness to make the right decisions for a healthy lifestyle. It's easier to cry for "acceptance" than it is to lose the weight. That would take work.

Yes I admit me being overweight is not healthy but I am fine with the way I am. But linking overweight people with all those categories isn't right. As said on several other threads there are different reasons for people being overweight besides overeating. Meds, for one. Unable to get proper exercise for other medical reasons, so on. Its too easy to lump people into categories without knowing all the facts.

Too often people are way to quick to judge others. Real shame.

 

[Robinrs]

Please point out where in my post I stated that overweight people "have no clue".

What I SAID (& do not go putting words in my mouth) is that many (& again, not all) people's overweight condition is self-inflicted, and that many (& again, not all) overweight people maintain that state because they are unwilling to make the healthy lifestyle choices needed to change that condition.

And nowhere did I state that overweight people should not be accepted "as a human being". That assertion on your part is just plain "asinine & ignorant". You will note, if you reread my original post CAREFULLY is that I said



It is the HEALTH aspects of it I am concerned with. If a person is content being overweight, fine. But do not expect society as a whole to agree that it is ok to BE that way. T2 Diabetes, cardiovascular disease, pulmonary disease, muscle & joint issues, hypertension are all risks that are (while not exclusive to) associated with obesity to a higher degree. It is associated with a reduced lifespan & higher healthcare costs. That is undeniable.

You may not have said those words but you IMPLIED it with your "no form shape or fashion" hoo hah....

What I WAS saying is No Crap Sherlock.... name someone who doesn't know that?????

Who's denying it???? No one. Especially not me.

My sister was bone thin growing up and I was a chubby kid. I ate HALF as much as she did. She ate everything that didn't walk away from her, I was always on a diet.

I learned that I had an unusually slow metabolism and HAD to eat less and exercise more to just be normal. I lost the weight at age 14 and kept it off until I had my children. My sister, btw, is now bigger than I EVER was because she didn't learn how to moderate at a younger age and when her metabolism slowed down she continued eating more than she should have.

I have to work every day to stay healthy. No one has to tell me, I've known all my life.

It would've been nice if people treated ME as nice as they treated my pretty little sister. They didn't. Was it acceptable to mistreat me when I did NOT self inflict my malady on myself? Maybe to some it was just fine.