FastPass Policy - For Resort Guests Only

[CTmommyx3]

If someone isn't a Disney fan, why are they even going to Disney? Makes no sense. Okay you say it's for the others, fine, then just tough it and stay at a Disney park.

My arguments have plenty of merit. A week at the Beach Club can run someone $3000+. Add in the Dining Plan for the typical family of 4 and that's another $1000+ for the week. Add in the park tickets for the family of 4 and that's another $1000. Add in miscellaneous expenses, snacks and drinks, you're probably looking at a cost approaching $6,000.

I would venture to say that less than 1% of locals are spending $6,000 during the year.

I just debunked your post and theory. Try again.

I see nothing confusing saying DH is not a big Disney fan? Then ask why we even go? okay so I am a HUGE fan and have gone all my life, Dh never till i took him at the age of maybe 29. My 3 kids LOVE Disney well the youngest is not as into it all as the older kids.But while he may not love it like we do we as a family still go and what I was saying was that while yes he goes to the parks more for us and to enjoy the kids and precious moments.
we stay offsite and always have. Like I stated being at a Disney property for him would be too much Disney, just like why we would never do the disney dining we love driving around and finding some great spots to eat.
I am sure I am not the only family with one spouse or member not into Disney as much as the others!!
If we lost fp for not staying onsite we would visit less.
So what your sating is say that you were not a big fan of Universal and a member of your family was a HUGE fan you would never go to make that person happy? He is not miserable there and is not whining the whole way. he just is not into Disney like me and we do what works for our family
This board always amazes me that something stated clearly and about MY family can be agrued over why we would go and it is not a valid reason
guess I have more to do in life. My god I wrote my response and that was it

 

[ducky_love]

Getting into this one late - but this would stink for locals. Unless they did like Universal and offered a ticket that included fastpass? Still, I really like the system as it is!

 

[KellyNY]

I see nothing confusing saying DH is not a big Disney fan? Then ask why we even go? okay so I am a HUGE fan and have gone all my life, Dh never till i took him at the age of maybe 29. My 3 kids LOVE Disney well the youngest is not as into it all as the older kids.But while he may not love it like we do we as a family still go and what I was saying was that while yes he goes to the parks more for us and to enjoy the kids and precious moments.
we stay offsite and always have. Like I stated being at a Disney property for him would be too much Disney, just like why we would never do the disney dining we love driving around and finding some great spots to eat.
I am sure I am not the only family with one spouse or member not into Disney as much as the others!!
If we lost fp for not staying onsite we would visit less.
So what your sating is say that you were not a big fan of Universal and a member of your family was a HUGE fan you would never go to make that person happy? He is not miserable there and is not whining the whole way. he just is not into Disney like me and we do what works for our family
This board always amazes me that something stated clearly and about MY family can be agrued over why we would go and it is not a valid reason
guess I have more to do in life. My god I wrote my response and that was it

Totally understand you. My DF is not a Disney fan and the only time he went and we stayed at CBR he was suffering from too much Disney. I love Disney but when we stay 10 days or more I just need to go to DTD or WS or Boardwalk and shop for something not Disney related.

 

[Planogirl]

I see nothing confusing saying DH is not a big Disney fan? Then ask why we even go? okay so I am a HUGE fan and have gone all my life, Dh never till i took him at the age of maybe 29. My 3 kids LOVE Disney well the youngest is not as into it all as the older kids.But while he may not love it like we do we as a family still go and what I was saying was that while yes he goes to the parks more for us and to enjoy the kids and precious moments.
we stay offsite and always have. Like I stated being at a Disney property for him would be too much Disney, just like why we would never do the disney dining we love driving around and finding some great spots to eat.
I am sure I am not the only family with one spouse or member not into Disney as much as the others!!
If we lost fp for not staying onsite we would visit less.
So what your sating is say that you were not a big fan of Universal and a member of your family was a HUGE fan you would never go to make that person happy? He is not miserable there and is not whining the whole way. he just is not into Disney like me and we do what works for our family
This board always amazes me that something stated clearly and about MY family can be agrued over why we would go and it is not a valid reason
guess I have more to do in life. My god I wrote my response and that was it

I understand too. My DH has no use for Disney specifically and themeparks in general. He usually doesn't go but the last time we did we stayed at the AKL which he liked because Disney isn't pushed there much. It's just not for everyone and increased cost probably just makes it even less appealing for those people.

 

[mommyoftwinz]

Yes, they should give fast passes to resort guests!

 

[AnthonyJPreston]

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[mom2rtk]

Getting into this one late - but this would stink for locals. Unless they did like Universal and offered a ticket that included fastpass? Still, I really like the system as it is!

Absolutely not. As a passholder, and living only 30 minutes away, I visit frequently, no need to stay at a resort, that would be horrible.

I actually don't think this would be a good idea for Disney to implement.

But it's not any less fair than the deals you locals can get on your passes.

 

[RescueRanger]

Absolutely not. As a passholder, and living only 30 minutes away, I visit frequently, no need to stay at a resort, that would be horrible.

I hear this excuse alot when this debate comes up. Locals claim it isn't fair. However, the above statement is why it is "most definitely fair". You locals can go anytime you want. You can go when the crowds are low or just whenever you get the urge. Most of the rest of us have to go when our kids are out of school when it is super busy. I would trade you the right to get fast passes in order to live next door to the mouse. As you can tell, I am all for a FP for resort guests only. Sorry, just my opinion.

 

[JoshuaShaw]

I believe the title of the thread should be changed to: "Do you stay on Disney property?"

 

[JoshuaShaw]

I hear this excuse alot when this debate comes up. Locals claim it isn't fair. However, the above statement is why it is "most definitely fair". You locals can go anytime you want. You can go when the crowds are low or just whenever you get the urge. Most of the rest of us have to go when our kids are out of school when it is super busy. I would trade you the right to get fast passes in order to live next door to the mouse. As you can tell, I am all for a FP for resort guests only. Sorry, just my opinion.

This is a logical fallacy. You are free to live wherever you want.

 

[mom2rtk]

This is a logical fallacy. You are free to live wherever you want.

And you are free to book a room at a Disney resort any time you want.

 

[JoshuaShaw]

And you are free to book a room at a Disney resort any time you want.

You missed the point. One can't argue the fairness of the system by saying locals "get" to live nearby as if where someone lives isn't entirely within their control. If you recall, the quote I was responding to said:

I would trade you the right to get fast passes in order to live next door to the mouse.

Good news! The iron curtain that used to segregate Florida from the rest of the Union has been lifted, and now anyone may live there.

 

[mom2rtk]

You missed the point. One can't argue the fairness of the system by saying locals "get" to live nearby as if where someone lives isn't entirely within their control. If you recall, the quote I was responding to said:


Good news! The iron curtain that used to segregate Florida from the rest of the Union has been lifted, and now anyone may live there.

No, I totally get it. We are free to live anywhere, and you are free to book a resort room if you like. There's no iron curtain in place for either of us.

 

[JoshuaShaw]

No, I totally get it. We are free to live anywhere, and you are free to book a resort room if you like. There's no iron curtain in place for either of us.

Sure, but my argument (of which I have yet to put forth) doesn't hinge entirely on something within my control.

Basically, the question is most going to be answered with "Yes, because I stay at resorts" or "No, because I stay offsite." Neither one is sound rhetoric to the question. It basically boils down to, "Whatever serves me the best."

Personally, I'm fairly indifferent. I enjoy the FastPass system, but I go in the Fall when long lines aren't something I face, so if it were to be limited to resort guests only (something I am not), I'd be disappointed, but my experience wouldn't be severely hampered. However, from a business standpoint I don't see this happening. The purpose of the FP is two-fold, 1.) to keep guests from becoming unhappy by waiting in long lines and 2.) to keep guests out of lines and spending money. To limit the system to resort guests only would only negate one of the reasons it's in place to begin with.

 

[mom2rtk]

Sure, but my argument (of which I have yet to put forth) doesn't hinge entirely on something within my control.

Basically, the question is most going to be answered with "Yes, because I stay at resorts" or "No, because I stay offsite." Neither one is sound rhetoric to the question. It basically boils down to, "Whatever serves me the best."

Personally, I'm fairly indifferent. I enjoy the FastPass system, but I go in the Fall when long lines aren't something I face, so if it were to be limited to resort guests only (something I am not), I'd be disappointed, but my experience wouldn't be severely hampered. However, from a business standpoint I don't see this happening. The purpose of the FP is two-fold, 1.) to keep guests from becoming unhappy by waiting in long lines and 2.) to keep guests out of lines and spending money. To limit the system to resort guests only would only negate one of the reasons it's in place to begin with.

I'm actually fairly indifferent too. And we usually stay onsite. I just think the system works fine, and any time you tweek it, you run the risk of having unintended consequences.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I don't think it's broke. (bad grammar aside....)

 

[Mama Who]

I guess I just don't see how a Disney resort would you push your DH over the edge into not wanting to go at all. It's not like you walk into a Disney Resort and Mickey jumps on your lap. It's a resort like any other, just better access to the parks.

What? That's it, trip's off!

 

[doconeill]

OK, let's bring this back to Fastpass...

The fairness of the system (and I'm not talking about the FPs themselves) if it was restricted to Resort Guests (or any other class - call them the "Chosen" ) will depend a LOT on what percentage of a rides total capacity are issued in Fastpasses.

If, as some theories of the system state, that it is a very high percentage, then it becomes completely unfair. UnChosen would only be able to use the standby line, but it would rarely move - only filling it odd seats here and there. And if the ride ever has an issue - well, you can probably forget riding at all as the remaining seats would likely be covered by the outstanding FPs.

To balance it out, the FP issue rate would have to be greatly reduced. Give the standby line at least equal access - 50%. But then, there will be far fewer FPs available, and more of the Chosen will use the standby line as well, and it will get longer...and then there will be more claims of unfairness in that the Chosen are clogging up both lines...

Depends a lot on the breakdown of Chosen vs. UnChosen in the parks. I have no idea what that is. Also, there could be issues with determining who the Chosen and UnChosen are - they'd have to give the Chosen separate cards or KTTW cards (if the Chosen are resort guests) and not use the park tickets, since resort guests sometimes do not have their tickets on the KTTW cards.

 

[pmaurer74]

I don't think it is necessary. I used FPs all last week and never stood in line longer than 10 minutes.

 

[JoshuaShaw]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Pure, undiluted truth.

 

[BarbieGal457]

No way. I don't think restricting usage that way is very appropriate at all. If I can, I always choose to stay on-site, but there have been times I've visited either WDW or DL & where I stayed was totally out of my control (off-site) both times. However, because of FPs, I was able to salvage a horrendous West Coast trip and with smart FP usage, I was able to see everything I wanted & more in both parks in one day. There are already enough perks and attractive options that come with staying at a Disney resort (EMH, free transportation, shipping packages back to the hotel, room charging, etc) that sole use of the FP system does not need to be added.

Taking FP away from off-site guests would be very unfair. Not everyone can afford to stay on-site, or are DVC (not quite sure how that works but I often hear that brought up during these discussions), or maybe there isn't enough room for their families and 2+ rooms would totally ruin their budget. Why should they be forced to go without FPs too, in addition to EMH and such? I don't think on-site guests should be given priority either, such as coming back sooner than off-site guests.

As doconeill so wonderfully put it, what happens if the ride is totally taken over by on-site guests using FPs, and the off-site guests just had to stand around and maybe hope they get lucky and are able to ride here and there? It becomes a miserable waste of time for them.

I don't really understand why people always want to change the system. I plan how I'm going to use my FPs each day, I use them that way, I allow for flexibility, and I always leave the park satisfied!