Fastpass non rant?

[ShayBells]

Okay.. Who knows how the FP+ system ACTUALLY works?

Each FP booth gets X amount of fastpasses loaded each morning and then they go until they are gone. People keep saying "because people are double dipping there are none left."

What I want to know is is it confirmed that FP+ is indeed coming from the pool of all FPs?????

For example if TSM spits out 100 FPs a day is all FP+s that people are reserving coming from that 100 pool or are they separate??

Because if they are totally separate, logically speaking, FP+ should not be affecting anything because even if people are double dipping they are just getting the FPs they would of got without the new FP+. The only impact it should make is individually people are riding TSM more than once and that shouldn't affect anyone else.

Now if FP+ is coming from the original FP pool than I can see people's complaints. I want to know if anyone knows FOR SURE if Disney cut down the original FP pools to create FP+ reservations????

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[ParrotBill]

On the day that people noticed legacy FP running out earlier, some people posting here reported that Castmembers told them that they had shifted inventory from legacy to FP+.

It makes sense. You can't double the available total fastpasses for an attraction or you will overwhelm the FP queue and ruin the purpose of FP.

Since MagicBands expanded rapidly in the second half of October, they needed to boost the number of FP+ available for reservation and for same day for those who showed up and got MBs even without planning ahead.

Boost FP+, and you need to reduce legacy inventory or you unbalance it.
While testers are double dipping, this adds even more stress although who can say how many are really doing that.

Taking away the KTTW card to stop double dipping is important now so they can get the inventories balanced... before moving on to passholders and then finally FP+ for all the rest and the final end of legacy FP.

 

[surferdave]

Disney's not telling us those things, so of course know one actually knows. We can only go by our observations.

These are my two observations that make me believe that the systems are sharing a "pool" of some kind.

(1) The FP- are disappearing more rapidly in the morning for the headliners than the old legacy machines can pump them out, no matter who is feeding the cards into them and whether those cards belong to current guests not using FP+, guests also using FP+, AP holders, they are old resort room only keys, or any other card people have figured out how to use. The only way they could move this fast is if the numbers are being tampered with in general, or many of the available return times throughout the day are already gone.

(2) While I was at the parks and had access to what FP+ were available throughout the day, I observed that the available time of the next FP+ that you could get for attractions moved out throughout the day with the FP- return times; if it was 10:30 am and I was looking to see if I could get a Test Track FP+, if the current FP- return time was 6:30 pm then that would be the earliest return time available on FP+. Occasionally an earlier time might pop up briefly, presumably because someone else changed the FP+ they had reserved, but it would soon be gone and the available return time would go back to the trend of the FP- return time. I've been watching for reports that contradicted my observation but all of the ones I've seen have been consistent with it.

 

[ShayBells]

Thank you! That is what I wanted to know. If people were assuming the worst or if they had actual knowledge. If disney is taking from the same pool than hopefully they keep the transition quick to eliminate FP so we can finally see the end result.

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[Cafeen]

Right now, no one (outside of the technicians/programmers) really knows how it's working (or how it's supposed to work). There is logic on both sides regarding FP+ and FP-/"Same Day" FP+ distribution (all in one pool vs. hold some back).

I do know that something is pretty wonky with some of the headliners though.

Last week at Epcot, both TT and Soarin' were running out of FPs by mid-morning, which is not usual for this time of year. The same deal was seen at DHS across multiple days (which was reported here, though I only had one afternoon in DHS personally, I had several mornings at Epcot though). As an added bit of interest, I ran a small test at Test Track (fittingly enough).

1) I watched the FP return tick over to 1:40pm.
2) I watched a small party (4) pull FPs and it ticked to 1:45pm
3) With no one else there, not even CMs doing manual FPs, I pulled my single FP- from the machine. It ticked over to 1:50pm
4) I headed for my "Blue Square" between Mission Space and Universe of Energy, and as I hit the main path (at the TT/MS/UoE split), I checked the return again, and it was up to 2:10pm without large groups of people near them.

While this may mean nothing overall, that single pull ticking it from 1:45 to 1:50 seems a bit telling that something is up. Again, not saying it's intentional, not saying it's a shared pool thing, not really saying anything other than "something's weird."

 

[PEC]

Per observation but nothing official it does cut back on the number of FP-. OF course that should be a known because otherwise FP is a waste of time as the line would be too long. The big affect is TSM. Next is TT and Soarin. Every once in a while RNR. Of course before FP+ the first 3 were always the toughest Fps to get (followed by PP which is closed right now). MK has so many different type attractions that things just get spread out well. AK just has not been affected greatly.
This is the pilot. IF going and you do not have FP+ then plan accordingly especially for HS and Epcot. Other than that, I believe double dipping will cut the return times down some. Wait Times are the unknown. If people can only get 1 FP+ per attraction will they elect the standby line? We will see when fully implemented. I will say the FP+ most benefits individuals that prefer not going to the parks early. Somebody who goes at lunch time always risks not getting TSM, TT and Soarin FPs. Now they can schedule those for the afternoon and it will be a non-issue.