Fastpass/Fastpass+ Mutually Exclusive?

[mesaboy2]

You just *had* to make it an algebra equation, didn't you?

I understand what you mean now, thank you.

That's what I was going for. You're welcome.

I think the one thing that is missing from the "where are these additional fastpasses coming from" discussion is one of my original thoughts when I read/posted that it appeared FP and FP+ would be mutually exclusive. If they are in fact exclusive, then that means your equations can't be all additions.

It isn't really: FastPass + Standby + FastPass+.

It would actually be: (FastPass - FastPass+) + Standby + FastPass+.

Does that make sense? Anyone using FastPass+ is now out of the FastPass bucket. Which in my mind means, no additional FastPasses are really needed. Now, we could say that FastPass+ will be reaching people who don't use FastPass now, but we really have no way of knowing that. If anything FastPass+ seems more complex, so if I were to guess I'd think the reach will be smaller than FastPass is currently. Again of course, all speculation.

Yes, but a year ago the equation was X + Y = Z. Whenever FP+ goes online, it'll be X + Y + Q = Z. With Z as a constant, and defined by max ride capacity, Q still must take slots from X, Y, or both. Somebody in the old system is losing.

Sorry about the math/algebra, all. It's a cold mistress, and very difficult to get around.

I see no arguing either, by the way. Simply new discussion points given recently discovered official info.

 

[Missyrose]

By this time next year, I suspect FP will have ceased to exist, leaving only FP+. Likely by mid-year, if not earlier.

Wow. I hadn't hear much scuttle-butt about regular FP going away completely. So in that case, offsite visitors would be relegated strictly to standby?

 

[mousermerf]

Wow. I hadn't hear much scuttle-butt about regular FP going away completely. So in that case, offsite visitors would be relegated strictly to standby?

The wording on the website says you can convert any standard tickets (up to 5 per person) to RFID.

There'd be no reason to do that, I would think, short of allowing those guests to somehow use that system. Also there's provisions for AP holders to do so as well. It looks like there will be some sort of use by non-resort guests.. but at what level is yet to be seen. The "you cant use reg FP, only FP+ after converting" is nomenclature aimed specifically at APs.

 

[Cdn Friends of Pooh]

I think this new FP+ will work the way the Express Pass does at Universal ... those staying onsite get it with their room key, and others who want it can still get it at the park. People are jumping to conclusions and making assumptions not knowing the how the whole thing will work based on something they read. Why not wait until it's officially released by Disney?

 

[mesaboy2]

I think this new FP+ will work the way the Express Pass does at Universal ... those staying onsite get it with their room key, and others who want it can still get it at the park. People are jumping to conclusions and making assumptions not knowing the how the whole thing will work based on something they read. Why not wait until it's officially released by Disney?

It's a discussion board, and we are discussing.

It cannot work like Universal, as Universal allows unlimited Express to onsite guests at all rides. A similar system at Disney would collapse under its own weight.

 

[Otter49]

I think this new FP+ will work the way the Express Pass does at Universal ... those staying onsite get it with their room key, and others who want it can still get it at the park. People are jumping to conclusions and making assumptions not knowing the how the whole thing will work based on something they read. Why not wait until it's officially released by Disney?

But USF Express passes are far less restrictive than the way WDW is currently testing FP+.

USF onsiters can use the pass for both parks and all participating attractions an unlimited number of times. Off siters who buy the pass can also do that but only use it once per attraction.

WDW's current testing is for only four passes per day in one park only.

 

[Jennasis]

Why is it arguing? I have found this entire conversation enlightening. By posting the new guidelines we have some new information to process. There are a few pieces missing, but I know a lot more now than I did before this thread.

It was a joke.

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

~In layman's terms, Q is taking from X, in order to give X, a higher chance of probability in securing a place with Y. Q is simply redistributing places, affording more X's an opportunity to join the more desirable Y group, some see this as taking, I see it as giving.

 

[mesaboy2]

~In layman's terms, Q is taking from Y, in order to give Y, a higher chance of probability in securing a place with X. Q is simply redistributing places, affording more Y's an opportunity to join the more desirable X group, some see this as taking, I see it as giving.

You and I apparently define "layman" differently. All who understood that, please raise your hand. <keeps hands lowered>

ETA: Standby is desirable?

 

[mattsdragon]

I think this new FP+ will work the way the Express Pass does at Universal ... those staying onsite get it with their room key, and others who want it can still get it at the park. People are jumping to conclusions and making assumptions not knowing the how the whole thing will work based on something they read. Why not wait until it's officially released by Disney?

What a great idea.

I need to patent this, it's called a "jump to conclusions" mat.

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

You and I apparently define "layman" differently. All who understood that, please raise your hand. <keeps hands lowered>

ETA: Standby is desirable?

~The figures I used are interchangeable, so I just fixed it. Thanks for clarifying that, but my point still remains.

 

[aaarcher86]

I was told there would be no math.

This thread is so full of win today

 

[Jennasis]

What a great idea.

I need to patent this, it's called a "jump to conclusions" mat.

I loved "Office Space" too.

 

[WillAustin]

Wasn't there some rumor about getting in-park FP+s at a kiosk with a video screen? I seem to remember something about that in one of the threads long ago. That would make sense if they were looking for a way to let non-resort guests participate, especially if FP as we know it is going away.

 

[bauer1168]

Ok so I know we don't know the full run down of FP+ and there's still a lot of speculation and discussion over it.
The scenario I have been thinking about is what if (and I am sure this would be a very rare scenario) say, you're on a 5 day vacation to Disney. You use FP+ and your last day is the one day you spend at DHS. You arrive later in the day (since you have your FP+ times already pre-booked and plan around them accordingly).
You book a FP+ time to ride Toy Story at 6:45pm. You walk over to the attraction and its been closed since 6:30pm. The park closes at 8pm and there is no way of knowing it will be back up and running before the park closes. Come 8pm it's still down and therefore closed for the day, resulting in that FP+ becoming useless. Would they be able to/or offered/ allowed to use that FP+ reservation at another high tier attraction like RnR or ToT. That's if let's say, a family of four wants to ride one of those attractions, they might not want to, don't like those rides etc. what happens then? Even if everyone who has a FP/FP+ gets given an alternative attraction to go on and uses it, surely it would make that standby wait grow significantly to people already in it?
I do believe Disney is excellent, and probably the best in the business at troubleshooting scenarios like this and will have contingency plans and do everything they can to make their guests happy. Just wondering what other people's thoughts are on this? I know it is unlikely to happen, but it could happen I guess?

 

[mattsdragon]

Ok so I know we don't know the full run down of FP+ and there's still a lot of speculation and discussion over it.
The scenario I have been thinking about is what if (and I am sure this would be a very rare scenario) say, you're on a 5 day vacation to Disney. You use FP+ and your last day is the one day you spend at DHS. You arrive later in the day (since you have your FP+ times already pre-booked and plan around them accordingly).
You book a FP+ time to ride Toy Story at 6:45pm. You walk over to the attraction and its been closed since 6:30pm. The park closes at 8pm and there is no way of knowing it will be back up and running before the park closes. Come 8pm it's still down and therefore closed for the day, resulting in that FP+ becoming useless. Would they be able to/or offered/ allowed to use that FP+ reservation at another high tier attraction like RnR or ToT. That's if let's say, a family of four wants to ride one of those attractions, they might not want to, don't like those rides etc. what happens then? Even if everyone who has a FP/FP+ gets given an alternative attraction to go on and uses it, surely it would make that standby wait grow significantly to people already in it?
I do believe Disney is excellent, and probably the best in the business at troubleshooting scenarios like this and will have contingency plans and do everything they can to make their guests happy. Just wondering what other people's thoughts are on this? I know it is unlikely to happen, but it could happen I guess?

And of course, none of this matters because on December 21st, the world is going to end.

They try to troubleshoot as many possibilities as are probable, however, once they reach the odds of being rescued by a passing space craft before dying from the asphyxiation in the vacuum of space, which, as you know is really 2 to the power of 267,709 to one against, they are unlikely to have considered all odds.

So they only come up with 42 possibilities.

 

[aaarcher86]

I loved "Office Space" too.

Anyone that doesn't is soulless

 

[johde]

I'm a big park hopper and I see FP+ as being a double edged sword for me assuming a choice between the 2. My normal vacation time used to be during "slow" season where FP can be readily had even later in the day Limiting FP to 1 park is a big disadvantage. On the other hand, my next trip is Dec 31-Jan 3rd. I can see FP+ being a big advantage to Park Hoppers at this time. If you arrive at Rope drop at the first park, you can normally get through several of the busy attractions without the need for FPs. You could then use your FP+ reservations for the afternoon/evening park. For example, on Jan 1st I'm planning on AK for EMH followed by lunch at Pepper Market at CSR, and Afternoon/Evening at DHS. FP+ would allow me to reserve several rides at DHS that I might not get to ride otherwise especially TSMM. Right now, that ride's a lost cause unless I start at MGM on cleanup day. Because right now, my plan is

Dec 31 Fly In, Epcot Evening (Primarily WS)
Jan 1 AK/MGM (+MK if open late)
Jan 2 Epcot FW/MK
Jan 3 Cleanup going to parks and hitting attractions missed on first 3 days.

With this schedule, given a choice I would pick FP's at the second park over the first park.

 

[Senator Tressel]

To quote a sage response from about 18 months ago...

"Just leave the FP system, the heck, ALONE!"

I believe that poster's name was "Unnecessary Commas".

 

[DavidNYC]

Based on what I saw at the park this past week, I think people are jumping to conclusions on this. It looked like to me some people were using screens with their FP+ card to make/change reservations as well. All I read the new T&C to mean is that you can't have both the FP+ card and paper tickets allowing you to double up on fastpasses. That makes perfect sense. You get all your fastpasses through one method.

There's nothing to suggest at all that with FP+ your fastpasses will be limited to 3-4 choices you may pre-book. I think it's much more likely that you pre book some and can use the FP+ card to get fastpasses like you always did during other windows - they'd just be added to the card rather than giving you a paper ticket.