Fastpass/Fastpass+ Mutually Exclusive?

[mesaboy2]

Out of curiosity .... why would the new FP+ system deter you from going to Disney?

My suspicion is that the PP and others who do not meet whatever the FP+ criteria is (onsite/offsite, willingness to purchase as an "entertainment option", etc.) may find the FP+ system to negatively impact both the normal FP system and the standby waits. As some have pointed out over and over (and over ), those FP+ slots have to come from somewhere, and max ride capacity is generally a constant.

 

[mattsdragon]

Did you guys hear about this new FastPass system?

Crazy man, I hear they are going to start enforcing the times soon.

 

[Shir Kahn]

I was just about to post the same thing. If you use FP+ and want to park hop, you're out of luck for the rest of your day.

Even if they allowed park hopping with it, quite often DW and I don't actually plan our park hops and we like it that way, so we wouldn't know what park to get the other FPs for. Or we'd be forced to plan it all out.

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

I agree.

It seems that there are a lot of you that enjoy the 'traditional' FP system and have your touring down to pat via FP's. The great thing is, you can STILL tour like that if you so wish.

For our family, FP+ will work really well and I cannot wait.

We do not Park Hop - I can't justify the extra $300 it costs our family to have the option to change parks. For us, it isn't convenient. The time you use travelling to another park is another ride to us.

Our touring style is relaxed - we love to take in the atmosphere plus we take my parents who are older and Mum is in an ECV. Its not imperative that we get in every ride as there will always be another trip to the World.

The fact that you will be able to pick parades & fireworks is awesome for us. We love them but it can be very difficult with my Mum to get good viewing - yes, there are disabled viewing areas BUT you can only take 1 or 2 (depending on area) other members with you so we do not use them as we like to watch as a family ... we went to Disney together as a family so we want to experience Disney as a family.

The fact you can book them 60 days out doesn't bother me either - heck, I get up at 5.45am 180 days out to book restaurants so, I can deal with this also.

Basically, for our family, FP+ is full of positives and I am very happy with the proposed changes.

~I love this post, it's so thoughtful, insightful & very well written! I totally agree with you! Thanks for sharing your perspective!

~Overall, fastpasses have been greatly increased for FP+, so they are not taking away from regular fastpass. Right now, there is nothing to suggest that FP+ will only be available to certain guests or for a fee. It's possible that there may be certain features available to certain guests and/or for a fee. There is not enough information to make these assumptions. I can't help it, I'm super excited about FP+!

 

[mesaboy2]

~I love this post, it's so thoughtful, insightful & very well written! I totally agree with you! Thanks for sharing your perspective!

~Overall, fastpasses have been greatly increased for FP+, so they are not taking away from regular fastpass. Right now, there is nothing to suggest that FP+ will only be available to certain guests or for a fee. It's possible that there may be certain features available to certain guests and/or for a fee. There is not enough information to make these assumptions. I can't help it, I'm super excited about FP+!

Then they are taking away from standby.

Maybe you could save yourself some typing and put and "thanks for sharing" in your sig. Don't want carpal tunnel do you? Because I care.

 

[SaraJayne]

~I love this post, it's so thoughtful, insightful & very well written! I totally agree with you! Thanks for sharing your perspective!

~Overall, fastpasses have been greatly increased for FP+, so they are not taking away from regular fastpass. Right now, there is nothing to suggest that FP+ will only be available to certain guests or for a fee. It's possible that there may be certain features available to certain guests and/or for a fee. There is not enough information to make these assumptions. I can't help it, I'm super excited about FP+!

Many of the posts with a different viewpoint are thoughtful, insightful and very well written.

For me, I object to FP+ because I feel it takes the spontaneity out of our trip (what little Disney has left alone). We stay onsite and I am an AP holder, so those parameters don't apply to me.

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

Then they are taking away from standby.

Maybe you could save yourself some typing and put and "thanks for sharing" in your sig. Because I care.

~Okay, there is nothing wrong with thanking posters who care and take time to write really good insightful posts and other cute stuff. Unlike you, I don't discriminate, I have given you tons of emoticons for cool posts. Unfortunately, you've changed and facts don't matter to you anymore. I can't wait until this little crusade of yours is over, and you get back to your old happy unhappy self.

~And, they are not taking away from standby, that's the wrong way to look at it. They are giving people who would normally be stuck in standby another option to obtain an FP.

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

Many of the posts with a different viewpoint are thoughtful, insightful and very well written.

For me, I object to FP+ because I feel it takes the spontaneity out of our trip (what little Disney has left alone). We stay onsite and I am an AP holder, so those parameters don't apply to me.

~Hi SaraJayne, I totally agree with you! I appreciate all posts with opposing viewpoints that are thoughtful and/or humorous. However, I'm not a fan of fear mongering without facts. What parameters?

 

[parkhopping]

I am glad that they are leaving regular FP in place as an option (at least for now). This way, people can choose the system that works best for them. Because I am a local passholder, FP+ is not available to me and honestly would not work with my touring style even if it was. So as long as FP+ does not dramatically increase regular FP availability, I am happy to let them implement it.

 

[mattsdragon]

~Okay, there is nothing wrong with thanking posters who care and take time to write really good insightful posts and other cute stuff. Unlike you, I don't discriminate, I have given you tons of emoticons for cool posts. Unfortunately, you've changed and facts don't matter to you anymore. I can't wait until this little crusade of yours is over, and you get back to your old happy unhappy self.

~And, they are not taking away from standby, that's the wrong way to look at it. They are giving people who would normally be stuck in standby another option to obtain an FP.

Wow, that was a bit of a shot there wasn't it?

I appreciate you still Mesa, even when you take words out of my mouth.

 

[Waddler]

My suspicion is that the PP and others who do not meet whatever the FP+ criteria is (onsite/offsite, willingness to purchase as an "entertainment option", etc.) may find the FP+ system to negatively impact both the normal FP system and the standby waits. As some have pointed out over and over (and over ), those FP+ slots have to come from somewhere, and max ride capacity is generally a constant.

This concern is mitigated by not allowing guests to participate in both in FP+ AND pull normal fastpasses, no? On average, it doesn't sound like FP+ users will be allowed MORE fastpasses than other guests... they'll just get to pick their times in advance.

A savvy guest could often ride at least 3-4 headliner attractions in one day using normal fastpass (and they know better than to use the opportunities for Nemo or Figment). FP+ users won't.

I'm pretty satisfied with what they're proposing. I don't think I'll use it on my upcoming trip because I'll want more flexibility, but I'm almost convinced that my familiar touring plans won't be significantly impacted by FP+.

 

[WillAustin]

With what we know so far, our personal park touring style will work better if we keep doing what we usually have done, even though we always stay on-site.

FP+ users can take their couple of top tier FPs they'll get each day, and as long as regular FP remains in place so we can get our normal 6 or 7 FP rides, I'll be happy.

 

[mesaboy2]

Wow, that was a bit of a shot there wasn't it?

I appreciate you still Mesa, even when you take words out of my mouth.

That's okay. I think Goofy himself would look glum and unhappy next to some posters here.

I think this concern is mitigated by not allowing guests to participate in both in FP+ AND pull normal fastpasses, no? On average, it doesn't sound like FP+ users will be allowed MORE fastpasses than other guests... they'll just get to pick their times in advance.

A savvy guest could often ride at least 3-4 headliner attractions in one day using normal fastpass (and they know better than to use the opportunities for Nemo or Figment). FP+ users won't.

I'm pretty satisfied with what they're proposing. I don't think I'll use it on my upcoming trip because I'll want more flexibility, but I'm almost convinced that my familiar touring plans won't be significantly impacted by FP+.

Makes a certain amount of sense.

But, again, these new FP+'s are coming from a finite pool. Sounds like it may be coming from standby already, if reports about increased numbers of FPs since March are true. (I'm well aware this is not a fact, by the way, only a logical supposition. ). If that's not true, then standby waits are likely to get longer.

Thoughtful posts as always.

 

[bcrook]

Here's what worries me. It says that the FP+ can only be used at one park per day, and that if you use the FP+ you can't use the regular FP. That is really going to make it less convenient for those of us that like to park hop.

Interesting take on this. I think it could be a nice perk for hopping. For example, I could go to MK for rope drop, and go to DHS for an early dinner at 50s PTC, and then ride my FP+ reservation for TSMM at 8:00 pm. DHS is a pain for hopping because of that TSMM. You cant do that with the current FP system. I would then be able use a few FP+ on something else in DHS. Of course that means going FP free at MK for the morning.

I am not saying it is perfect, but it does lead to some interesting possibilities.

I understand everyone's concerns, but we will figure out how to take advantage of this. I always go with large groups, I like the option of being able to schedule a group of people.

 

[SaraJayne]

That's okay. I think Goofy himself would look glum and unhappy next to some posters here.



Makes a certain amount of sense.

But, again, these new FP+'s are coming from a finite pool. Sounds like it may be coming from standby already, if reports about increased numbers of FPs since March are true. (I'm well aware this is not a fact, by the way, only a logical supposition. ). If that's not true, then standby waits are likely to get longer.

Thoughtful posts as always.

Could you explain what you mean when you say some of the Fastpasses are coming from the standby line?

I'm a bit confused on what you mean.

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

Wow, that was a bit of a shot there wasn't it?

I appreciate you still Mesa, even when you take words out of my mouth.

~Where is your funny bone? It was just a joke. I really care about him and wish to see him happy, again.

That's okay. I think Goofy himself would look glum and unhappy next to some posters here.



Makes a certain amount of sense.

But, again, these new FP+'s are coming from a finite pool. Sounds like it may be coming from standby already, if reports about increased numbers of FPs since March are true. (I'm well aware this is not a fact, by the way, only a logical supposition. ). If that's not true, then standby waits are likely to get longer.

Thoughtful posts as always.

~This is just speculation!

 

[Missyrose]

~This is just speculation!

Technically this entire concept is just speculation because Disney hasn't officially announced anything yet.

But there are those of us who can figure out that 1+1=2. The FP+ FastPass slots have to come from SOMEWHERE (unless Disney has built duplicates of all the attractions, thus doubling capacity -- now THAT would be magic ). So it's a logical assumption to make that once this system is rolled out, there will be fewer regular FPs available and standby lines should also lengthen a bit. It's simply common sense.

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

Technically this entire concept is just speculation because Disney hasn't officially announced anything yet.

But there are those of us who can figure out that 1+1=2. The FP+ FastPass slots have to come from SOMEWHERE (unless Disney has built duplicates of all the attractions, thus doubling capacity -- now THAT would be magic ). So it's a logical assumption to make that once this system is rolled out, there will be fewer regular FPs available and standby lines should also lengthen a bit. It's simply common sense.

~Exactly, it's ALL speculation! The amount of Fastpasses have almost doubled in anticipation of FP+, by means of an increase in the number of available fastpasses and the enhancement of line queues that were not previously equipped to support FP's, and of course this includes the new Fantasyland attractions. A substantial amount of FP's have been added to support FP+ and those individuals, who would normally be out of luck for a FP will now have increased odds of attaining a FP through FP+.

~Oh yeah, my comment above was just a joke.

 

[Jennasis]

Naturally I'm curious to see how things will go once this all goes live. Reading that stuff on page one gave me a headache and now I'm more confused than ever about what FP+ is or isn't and what it offers and to whom and what will become of regular FP.

We have a two day quickie trip in March. As of right now I plan on doing my usual touring style with regular FP.

 

[mattsdragon]

I speculate (is the plural of speculate spelled speculum?). . .but I digress. . .I speculate that there will be, oohhhh, many 200 post threads, screaming, yelling, nasty feelings and some thread lockings in the not too distant future about FP+ (I think I'm going to take it up a notch, arithmetically, and call it FP^PI