Fastpass Enforcement coming?

[bozley0621]

We had our last trip for, what I'm guessing, quite a few years to WDW this past September. We are moving to San Diego and I plan to purchase APs for Disneyland.

I'm curious how having access to Disney Parks (I know Disneyland experiences are different from WDW experiences) much more often for several years and the changes that will take place at WDW during this time will effect my (borderline insanity) desire to visit WDW when we move back east.

At the current time, if I were considering a WDW vacation trip for this year, the change to the FP usage would sway me to look at other places. That's not to say that by next year I wouldn't be missing the mouse so much that I wouldn't care about the FP policy's effect on our plans.

 

[mattsdragon]

I'm still trying to figure out what the policy is, you know, vice the policy, and if it's official, or official.

And what if love bugs are on the kiosk, does that give me any extra time?

How about if I have to change my adult undergarment while in line for Sounds Dangerous?

And I"m not the best time teller, so I can't really tell if that return time for the distribution system actually coincides with my ADR. My ADR is for 5:15, but the FP return time is for 5:05 to 6:05. . .what does that mean? Should a CM apologize profusely and give me a free Dole Whip?

And what does the backside of water taste like?





For the record, my adult undergarment question was a trick question. . .since nobody is ever in line for Sounds Dangerous, I can just change it in the queue area without any danger of being spotted.

 

[larryz]

"disappointment" I can understand, but this 100+ thread in response to it? Just makes me want to yell "GO OUTSIDE PEOPLE! THERE IS LIFE OUTSIDE THE DISBOARDS!!"

Really?

And what page is YOUR post on?

 

[larryz]

There was a Disney internal guideline on how to deal with a guest that showed up late, that is not policy.

There is a difference.

Not according to a major on-line thesaurus...

http://thesaurus.com/browse/policy

The words are synonymous.







It means they mean the same thing.

 

[fflmaster]

Without all the fighting about this issue, how is everyone changing their plans to accomidate the fp enforcement.

We usually like to go in the morning grab the fast passes, head back to hotel for swiming during the afternoon and then head back at night.

Going to have to figure out the best time to get those nightly fass passes

 

[GraceLuvsWDW]

I am having a problem with my Touring Plan for my summer trip. I have a late breakfast a Ohana at 10:55 which will cause us to be out of the park from about 10:30am-12 noon. Also, we are not able to arrive until 9:30 or so because it is our frst day and we have to pick up tickets, etc. In my plan, I wanted to get Jungle Cruise FP first thing (and would hope to complete return before leaving for Poly) and then Splash FP right before we left for the Poly. Now I am worried: If the return times on both of these are duing our meal, what would I do? Should I cancel the meal ADR? It's not worth eating to miss FP's for big rides. I'd rather just CS.

In this regard, I think Disney is going to lose some sit down restaurant business if people are too afraid of missing out on FPs.

Am I just missing something obvious?

 

[doconeill]

Without all the fighting about this issue, how is everyone changing their plans to accomidate the fp enforcement.

We usually like to go in the morning grab the fast passes, head back to hotel for swiming during the afternoon and then head back at night.

Going to have to figure out the best time to get those nightly fass passes

Our plans won't change a lot since we only intentionally used a FP late once, although I'm thinking about a touring plan for the first time since we'll be down next during a pretty busy week.

For your kind of strategy, you'll have to stick around long enough for the headliner FPs to get late enough to grab, and then trust the lesser ones will still be available when you get back.

 

[doconeill]

I am having a problem with my Touring Plan for my summer trip. I have a late breakfast a Ohana at 10:55 which will cause us to be out of the park from about 10:30am-12 noon. Also, we are not able to arrive until 9:30 or so because it is our frst day and we have to pick up tickets, etc. In my plan, I wanted to get Jungle Cruise FP first thing (and would hope to complete return before leaving for Poly) and then Splash FP right before we left for the Poly. Now I am worried: If the return times on both of these are duing our meal, what would I do? Should I cancel the meal ADR? It's not worth eating to miss FP's for big rides. I'd rather just CS.

In this regard, I think Disney is going to lose some sit down restaurant business if people are too afraid of missing out on FPs.

Am I just missing something obvious?

I don't think you are missing anything. You won't be able to use a FP late. So unless the FP return time is comfortably later than your ADR, you wouldn't pull the FP, and then when you get back you can choose to pull a FP for an even later time, assuming they are still available.

If you are intent on following a touring plan, scheduling an ADR outside of the park is not a good idea.

 

[larryz]

You won't be able to use a FP late. So unless the FP return time is comfortably later than your ADR, you wouldn't pull the FP...

OR you'd check in for your ADR at least a half-hour or so early, hoping they'll take you early.

And as I said before, you can always bribe your server to get your food to you as quickly as possible, maybe even in "to go" containers.

 

[vacationclub]

So, Disney's response was, "too bad..so sad?" Hmmm...let me think about it. My choices are..SPEND $350 at HBD and stand in a 90-120 minutes line for TSM, if my coveted golden ticket (otherwise known as FP) conflicts with my dining ressie (that I booked 6 months ago) OR...NOT eat their over-priced food and use my FP within the window? Does Disney REALLY want me to make that decision?

Yes. Kind of like the decision you have to make if there's a parade, or fireworks, or anything else at the same time as your reservation. Why do you think you can make a reservation for something at a certain time then use that as an excuse to get special treatment for something else that occurs at the same time? Fast Pass tells you on the sign what the return times will be when the ticket is printed. If its at the same time as something else you've already planned.....DON'T GET A FAST PASS.

Personally..I think, that's a VERY poor choice (and attitude) to give a PAYING customer. Actually, the CM was quite rude. IMO

You weren't' there, so you don't know if they were rude, you're simply saying that because you don't like the message. The poster said they were polite, not rude.

The PAYING customer has to make choices all the time. What does that have to do the the PAYING customer making two different reservations (ADR and a fastpass) at the same time?

The guest replied: "But what if I have dinner reservations, and the FP window is at the same time? What am I supposed to do?" To which the CM replied, bluntly but politely: "Then you wouldn't get a FP for that attraction."

DUH.

What if the Fast Pass return window is at the same time as.......
My ADR....
My nap...
My pool time....
My return flight....
My (anything else you can dream up).
Same answer to all: DON'T BOTHER TO GET THAT FAST PASS.

Q: What if my favorite country singer was in concert at the same time as my Disney Vacation?
A: Don't get a ticket to the concert....it conflicts with something else you've reserved.

How many other possible ways can this simple logical approach to the basics of time and space (and life) be explained?

 

[GraceLuvsWDW]

OR you'd check in for your ADR at least a half-hour or so early, hoping they'll take you early.

And as I said before, you can always bribe your server to get your food to you as quickly as possible, maybe even in "to go" containers.

I am not rushing through a $40 meal for one adult and one child. I'd rather skip it.

 

[larryz]

What if the Fast Pass return window is at the same time as.......
My ADR....
My nap...
My pool time....
My return flight....
My (anything else you can dream up).
Same answer to all: DON'T BOTHER TO GET THAT FAST PASS.

The other answer is to take the FP and let your spot in the FP line go to waste. Someone in the stand-by line will thank you for it.

I won't walk you through the potential repercussions of this action, but imagine if a significant percentage of people did this...

 

[vacationclub]

If the return times on both of these are duing our meal, what would I do? Should I cancel the meal ADR? It's not worth eating to miss FP's for big rides. I'd rather just CS.

I think you answered your own question. You'd cancel the ADR because you're saying it's not worth it to miss something else.

In this regard, I think Disney is going to lose some sit down restaurant business if people are too afraid of missing out on FPs.

Am I just missing something obvious?

Yes, you are missing that the whole reason people get ADR is because Disney restaurants are popular. For every seat not taken by someone who didn't make an ADR due to fastpass conerns, there will be another that will walk up...or perhaps 5 others that will make an ADR because they arent' concerned with doing 2 things at the same time.

ADR's were being abused, and thus restaurants were empty because people didn't show up (there was no penalty for not showing up). Walk ups, and even other SERIOUS diners, couldn't get a seat. Don't worry, lots of people are hungry at WDW, and they will find somewhere to eat, including places that take ADR. In fact restaurants may have more people in them as "accountability protocols" have been put into place

 

[GraceLuvsWDW]

In case Disney is monitoring this thread (which I really doubt they care) I have just cancelled 5 park day ADRs. I will eat CS. That is $231 I won't pay to worry over a FP return time. I'll just eat CS. I know they don't care-and you don't care-but I DO!

 

[larryz]

That is $231 I won't pay to worry over a FP return time. I'll just eat CS.

And that's the kind of feedback they need to hear. Thanks for sharing.

 

[vacationclub]

In case Disney is monitoring this thread (which I really doubt they care) I have just cancelled 5 park day ADRs. I will eat CS. That is $231 I won't pay to worry over a FP return time. I'll just eat CS. I know they don't care-and you don't care-but I DO!

Maybe Disney isn't monitoring this thread.....but I am. And so are other paying customers. So that means there are 5 more slots open, 5 more opportunties for me to eat somewhere that before I couldn't. Thanks for the info.

Everyone, say it with me....

Supply and Demand.

Supply and Demand.

Supply and Demand.

Supply and Demand.

 

[GraceLuvsWDW]

ADR's were being abused, and thus restaurants were empty because people didn't show up (there was no penalty for not showing up). Walk ups, and even other SERIOUS diners, couldn't get a seat. Don't worry, lots of people are hungry at WDW, and they will find somewhere to eat, including places that take ADR. In fact restaurants may have more people in them as "accountability protocols" have been put into place

Yeah, that's why I have been able to get ANY ADR I want for my June trip (which is drastically different from prior trips). I checked for CRT breakfasts and they are STILL available for every day during my trip! You say that doesn't mean actual sales in those restaurants will decline but I'd bet that's wrong. When you make so many hoops to jump through for a simple freakin vacation (that you are paying out your #$% for) you don't want it to be so difficult!

As it becomes more and more ridiculous, I go less and less. Soon I just won't go at all!

 

[vacationclub]

Yeah, that's why I have been able to get ANY ADR I want for my June trip (which is drastically different from prior trips). I checked for CRT breakfasts and they are STILL available for every day during my trip!

yes, an indication that people are no longer creating bogus reservations. This is a good thing...yes?

You say that doesn't mean actual sales in those restaurants will decline but I'd bet that's wrong.

Based on what? Based on the fact that now they will have actual room in the restaurant to ACCEPT paying customers, where before they had to turn them away because of phantom customers making bogus ADRs with no accountability?

When you make so many hoops to jump through for a simple freakin vacation (that you are paying out your #$% for) you don't want it to be so difficult!

EXACTLY. Which is why i prefer to walk up to a restaurant when I'm hungry and go in and eat, instead of going through the hoop of planning that single meal months ahead of time. Now, without all the phantom ADRs on the books, I, and thousands of others, will be able to do that.

If you want to GUARANTEE that you will have a meal at the restaurant at that time....you may have to go through "the hoop" of PROMISING to show up....REGARDLESS of some other thing that may tempt you.

As it becomes more and more ridiculous, I go less and less. Soon I just won't go at all!

Even more room for those of us who don't make ADRs...bogus or otherwise.

 

[vacationclub]

The other answer is to take the FP and let your spot in the FP line go to waste. Someone in the stand-by line will thank you for it.

I won't walk you through the potential repercussions of this action, but imagine if a significant percentage of people did this...

I'm imagining it. I see shorter lines. Is this bad?

 

[doconeill]

The ADR policy has been in place for a little while now. It appears to be having a positive effect, as some locations seem to be available much later in to the booking period than before. CRT was becoming more available before that though - I think the demand just started to drop on it's own. Or overall the dining plan numbers are down, or any number of things. It also depends on season.

But in the end, it doesn't matter how close to the date ADRs are actually available - if they are booked 1, 90, or 180 days out, it still means no walk-ups.