Fastpass Enforcement coming?

[mesaboy2]

This change won't impact me because I always use my FPs inside the window. I mean, why even print an end time if it's still good the rest of the day? I think the end times should be enforced. I didn't even know you could do this. Those that do are cheating the system, and it's not fair to those who follow the rules. I once saw a hundred people get in line before me and all of them were coming back late--I checked each fass past they had.

That, or I've been hit with Doofenschmirtz's dull-and-boring-inator.

 

[KellyNY]

In case Disney is monitoring this thread (which I really doubt they care) I have just cancelled 5 park day ADRs. I will eat CS. That is $231 I won't pay to worry over a FP return time. I'll just eat CS. I know they don't care-and you don't care-but I DO!

Totally your loss as many will gladly take your ADRs. So who exactly you try to teach a lesson?
I am absolutely sure that many if not all late FPers will work around their ADRs when pulling FP, just like the rest of us.

 

[GraceLuvsWDW]

Totally your loss as many will gladly take your ADRs. So who exactly you try to teach a lesson?
I am absolutely sure that many if not all late FPers will work around their ADRs when pulling FP, just like the rest of us.

In doing my TPs there was no way I am going to risk it. And my dd cannot wait in long lines as she has a dev disability. SO, I had to cancel the ADRs or #1 risk losing my $$ for a no-show, or #2 risk not riding big rides. I am SURE I am not alone in this predicament. I am special, but not that special.

 

[maxiesmom]

In doing my TPs there was no way I am going to risk it. And my dd cannot wait in long lines as she has a dev disability. SO, I had to cancel the ADRs or #1 risk losing my $$ for a no-show, or #2 risk not riding big rides. I am SURE I am not alone in this predicament. I am special, but not that special.

I'm not getting why you are so sure your Fast Pass times would just happen to be during your ADRs.

 

[mesaboy2]

Totally your loss as many will gladly take your ADRs. So who exactly you try to teach a lesson?

And not using late FPs are totally your loss as many will gladly take them and use them late (until March 7). So who exactly you try to teach a lesson?

 

[GraceLuvsWDW]

And FWIW, I've been to WDW many times and have never done a trip with all CS. I usually eat at least 1 TS each day. So it's their loss, AND mine (the magic of our trip won't be the same). Part of the magic of WDW is that with careful planning you can have a truly magical trip...but without that I might as well go to US!
We have some special circumstances that dictate our days, so we cannot be in the parks all day or wait in 30+ minute lines, so careful planning is CRUCIAL.

 

[vacationclub]

And FWIW, I've been to WDW many times and have never done a trip with all CS. I usually eat at least 1 TS each day. So it's their loss, AND mine (the magic of our trip won't be the same).

No, it's only your loss. You decided to not buy something that you like, while others will gladly take your chunk of the limited supply.

Part of the magic of WDW is that with careful planning you can have a truly magical trip...but without that I might as well go to US!

That's funny, I thought lots of people, including myself, have had magical trips without getting onto a certain ride at a certain time and eating at a certain place at a certain time.

We have some special circumstances that dictate our days, so we cannot be in the parks all day or wait in 30+ minute lines, so careful planning is CRUCIAL.

Careful planning also involves making choices. The two are not mutually exclusive.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Actually CM stated obvious, if you have an appointment you do not schedule another one for the same time. Of course we can always scream how dare they make the guest to actually look at the time, to actually follow rules, how dare they not provide perfect weather and no crowds, you know the usual entitlement statements...

At the moment, we are unable to choose our return window (appointment with FP) Often, we're fortunate to receive a FP period...for popular attractions. It's take or leave it. A guest doesn't have the choice to cancel their dining reservation day of..so they chance not riding their favorite ride? Let's see, dining ressie, 6 months out vs. luck of the draw FP.

Like I said, Disney doesn't want me skipping my dining experience (Disney losing $$$). Hmmm...what to do? Voila, XPass to the rescue. Now, I won't have to choose... for a price ....I can do both.

 

[Colleen27]

yes, an indication that people are no longer creating bogus reservations. This is a good thing...yes?

CRT was ALWAYS prepaid, at least in recent history, and not at all effected by the policy change. More availability there is likely reflective of the fact that neither the food nor the experience is on par with the cost so people are looking to the less pricey/one-credit princess meals as an alternative.

Based on what? Based on the fact that now they will have actual room in the restaurant to ACCEPT paying customers, where before they had to turn them away because of phantom customers making bogus ADRs with no accountability?

Based on the fact that families like mine, who did show up and were actual paying customers, are turned off by the risk of being dinged with a $50 fee if someone gets sick or we don't want to trudge to a restaurant in the pouring rain.

EXACTLY. Which is why i prefer to walk up to a restaurant when I'm hungry and go in and eat, instead of going through the hoop of planning that single meal months ahead of time. Now, without all the phantom ADRs on the books, I, and thousands of others, will be able to do that.

I've yet to see evidence of that. Popular restaurants are still booked solid, at least for larger parties, and few even accept walk ups. I doubt that my crew (family of 5, often traveling with a 6th) will ever be able to get walk-ups or last minute ADRs because of the gap between dining supply and DDP-driven demand. All the new policy means for us is fewer nice dinners and no more DxDDP.

 

[Wadecool]

This change won't impact me because I always use my FPs inside the window. I mean, why even print an end time if it's still good the rest of the day? I think the end times should be enforced. I didn't even know you could do this. Those that do are cheating the system, and it's not fair to those who follow the rules. I once saw a hundred people get in line before me and all of them were coming back late--I checked each fass past they had.

You just saved the FP window enforcement police the trouble of having to bring up each and every one of those worn out points again. Alas, they will anyway...

 

[KellyNY]

In doing my TPs there was no way I am going to risk it. And my dd cannot wait in long lines as she has a dev disability. SO, I had to cancel the ADRs or #1 risk losing my $$ for a no-show, or #2 risk not riding big rides. I am SURE I am not alone in this predicament. I am special, but not that special.

But again, what makes you think you will not be able to get the right FP. Not like they getting rid of FP. And if your situation is unpredictable, then you still risking ADR anyway, regardless of FPs.

 

[GraceLuvsWDW]

But again, what makes you think you will not be able to get the right FP. Not like they getting rid of FP. And if your situation is unpredictable, then you still risking ADR anyway, regardless of FPs.

No, in the past I can construct a careful TP, getting FPs as soon as I am able so that we are able to ride the "big" rides AND make ADRs AND spend about 5 hours in parks around breaks. I didn't have to worry about the POSSIBILITY that my JC FP window might be during an ADR, or that I wouldn't be able to get a Splash FP because I'd be eating. Believe me, I'm doing our TPs now and in every case, there's no way I can fit in our must do rides, with ADRs, guaranteeing the FP chain of events. I must do CS or risk not riding one of our must do rides (or risk a Stand By of 30+ minutes). Most of the TS we do every year, so I'd rather skip those than skip riding Splash, if I have to make that decision.

It is possible that the JC FP would work out but I'd be risking losing someting if it didn't. Either the CC guarantee on the ADR or riding JC. This is all NOT TO MENTION the stress level that it would add to attempt to fit it all in perfectly (depending on JC FP return time to be less than 1.5 hours or greater than 3 hours). Without the ADRs, that stress goes away because we can fit in CS whenever. Not preferable, but the least of the bad choices IMO. If someone sees another way, let me know!

 

[BNM]

I'm imagining it. I see shorter lines. Is this bad?

Hmmmm. I see FP being pasted into people's scrapbooks instead of being used. And STILL no FP available in the PM.

 

[vacationclub]

CRT was ALWAYS prepaid, at least in recent history, and not at all effected by the policy change. More availability there is likely reflective of the fact that neither the food nor the experience is on par with the cost so people are looking to the less pricey/one-credit princess meals as an alternative.

I agree. My comment would then apply to the first part of the posters comment, not specifically about CRT.

Based on the fact that families like mine, who did show up and were actual paying customers, are turned off by the risk of being dinged with a $50 fee if someone gets sick or we don't want to trudge to a restaurant in the pouring rain.

The getting sick part, I can understand. But you make that exact same commitment when you buy a plane ticket, or book a vacation. It's possible you (or someone you know) will get sick and create a problem.
If you don't want to trudge in the rain, then this policy was made for you. You were leaving Disney holding the bag because staying drying for a while was more important than keeping the obligation you made months or weeks earlier.

I've yet to see evidence of that. Popular restaurants are still booked solid, at least for larger parties, and few even accept walk ups. I doubt that my crew (family of 5, often traveling with a 6th) will ever be able to get walk-ups or last minute ADRs because of the gap between dining supply and DDP-driven demand. All the new policy means for us is fewer nice dinners and no more DxDDP.

So, you're saying that this policy in no way hurts Disney. I agree. It actually helps Disney.

As far as fewer nicer dinners, I guess that's your choice. But it's driven by Disney's decision to make it less easy for you to cancel these high-demand reservations because you didn't want to travel in the rain, etc.

 

[KellyNY]

At the moment, we are unable to choose our return window (appointment with FP) Often, we're fortunate to receive a FP period...for popular attractions. It's take or leave it. A guest doesn't have the choice to cancel their dining reservation day of..so they chance not riding their favorite ride? Let's see, dining ressie, 6 months out vs. luck of the draw FP.

Like I said, Disney doesn't want me skipping my dining experience (Disney losing $$$). Hmmm...what to do? Voila, XPass to the rescue. Now, I won't have to choose... for a price ....I can do both.

Take it or leave and return later, how difficult it is? I did it many times, FP machines are not in a middle of nowhere, time on FP change pretty fast, so you can choose right time with no problems at all. If you want to reduce your experience, your business, your loss, but do not think that Disney will be affected at all, I will take your spot in TS place. So while some may decide to be stubborn, reduce their own experience and eat CS meals, many will finally get a chance to eat TS meal instead of CS.

 

[Wadecool]

Hmmmm. I see FP being pasted into people's scrapbooks instead of being used. And STILL no FP available in the PM.

Or sold on eBay.

 

[vacationclub]

A guest doesn't have the choice to cancel their dining reservation day of..so they chance not riding their favorite ride?

Fast pass is not luck of the draw. You can approach the ride at any time you wish and decide if the return time window meets your needs.

Also, they are not "chancing not riding their favorite ride" specifically because the moment they happen to be standing in front of the ride, the sign displays are return time that is also at your ressie. They can come back to the ride later....or do stand by. It comes down to how important it is to them.

Beyond that, you make it sound as if they are entitled (there's that word again) to both. Sometimes people have to make choices.

 

[vacationclub]

Hmmmm. I see FP being pasted into people's scrapbooks instead of being used. And STILL no FP available in the PM.

That's possible now, inf fact more likely now. Enforcement doesn't create that scenario, it minimizes it.

Or sold on eBay.

Also possible now...but they have no value there. I don't see many getting pulled and unused just for that trivial purpose.

And in both above scenarios......I see shorter lines. A good thing, yes?

 

[KellyNY]

No, in the past I can construct a careful TP, getting FPs as soon as I am able so that we are able to ride the "big" rides AND make ADRs AND spend about 5 hours in parks around breaks. I didn't have to worry about the POSSIBILITY that my JC FP window might be during an ADR, or that I wouldn't be able to get a Splash FP because I'd be eating. Believe me, I'm doing our TPs now and in every case, there's no way I can fit in our must do rides, with ADRs, guaranteeing the FP chain of events. I must do CS or risk not riding one of our must do rides (or risk a Stand By of 30+ minutes). Most of the TS we do every year, so I'd rather skip those than skip riding Splash, if I have to make that decision.

It is possible that the JC FP would work out but I'd be risking losing someting if it didn't. Either the CC guarantee on the ADR or riding JC. This is all NOT TO MENTION the stress level that it would add to attempt to fit it all in perfectly (depending on JC FP return time to be less than 1.5 hours or greater than 3 hours). Without the ADRs, that stress goes away because we can fit in CS whenever. Not preferable, but the least of the bad choices IMO. If someone sees another way, let me know!

I do not know your situation exactly but can you make your ADRs later in the day. This way you can still do RD, ride whatever has short lines, get FP, they should still be for early times, except TSM, which technically you can just ride at RD. You will be able to ride and use your FP before midday break and when you return in the afternoon you will have your ADR and see if you can do anything else besides fireworks and parades. Depending on when you go FPs can still be available in later hours, we do it all the time(traveling May, August, September and sometimes July, July is the worst). You can also do EMH, if your situation permits, lines are much shorter getting even shorter every minute as people leave the park. Also consider GAC, maybe now that they are more strict with FP, they will be easier on GAC holders.

 

[KellyNY]

And not using late FPs are totally your loss as many will gladly take them and use them late (until March 7). So who exactly you try to teach a lesson?

You know RD is not evryones cup of tea. I love my strategy and get to ride everything I want, and I also get to sleep and do other things.