Fastpass Enforcement coming?

[CandleontheWater]

but you don't have to.... I go to disneyworld every year without a plan. Don't want to watch a clock, simply don't do it. I make a few ADR's and if we dont feel like eating we cancel them.

I go to TSM an soarin, I look at the wait time and make a decision on whether to wait or get a fast pass. The only plan we have is to hit the major rides first. we never, ever do rope drop and still hit all the majors 2 times.

We have wonderful vacations with children without calculating any thing but what to wear according to the weather report. It can be done.

I really think you'll be fine

I am sure we could still have fun, if I didn't think we could have any fun, we certainly wouldn't be going back. The issue is that on our upcoming Feb trip we could have MORE fun then we will on our upcoming April trip.

By smartly using a system that was open and available to all guests, we could maximize our fun. This change decreases fun and increases stress, neither of which I support.

I'm sure we'll still be able to manage, and even ride the headliners, but likely not as often as we were able to do previously, and it will require more work and strategy, which I see as a net loss.

 

[CandleontheWater]

i disagree, now people arent going to waste a FP window and get a ticket on tickets they wont be able to use. so not as many people are going to pull them

How many people pull fastpasses knowing that they are not going to use them? Just about everyone who get fastpasses have full intention of using them, just sometimes other things get in the way.

I think this could actually decrease availability and here is how.

Right now I could go get a FP for Soarin' right at RD. Say it is for 10 am. 10 am comes around and I decide I'd rather ride MS again then trek back over to Soarin'. My FP is then useless, so I just go over and get another one for later in the day, and since it is only 10 am, there are still FP available for 3 pm.

That means I pulled two FPs, when previously I would have only needed one (since I was previously able to use my 10 am FP at any time during the day), and left one for another person. Now some other family misses out on a FP, because I just used two.

Of course this means that some standby family lucked out because I didn't show up for my time, but that really has nothing to do with FP distribution.

 

[heyitsmejosh]

How many people pull fastpasses knowing that they are not going to use them? Just about everyone who get fastpasses have full intention of using them, just sometimes other things get in the way.

I think this could actually decrease availability and here is how.

Right now I could go get a FP for Soarin' right at RD. Say it is for 10 am. 10 am comes around and I decide I'd rather ride MS again then trek back over to Soarin'. My FP is then useless, so I just go over and get another one for later in the day, and since it is only 10 am, there are still FP available for 3 pm.

That means I pulled two FPs, when previously I would have only needed one (since I was previously able to use my 10 am FP at any time during the day), and left one for another person. Now some other family misses out on a FP, because I just used two.

Of course this means that some standby family lucked out because I didn't show up for my time, but that really has nothing to do with FP distribution.

sure in that situation you did, but say you walk up to the fast pass thing and it has a time that you have an ADR, a show or you know you will be in your room ect. you arent going to pull that pass for later in the night when you return to the park you are just going to walk away. you are also not going to go grab a fast pass just to grab one right before you leave to relax eat ect.

people are also not going to run up to some ride a 9:00 grab a fast pass for 9:30 and get in line and just hold that fast pass all day to ride it later.

 

[cm8]

The thing is, it should be clear to everybody that they aren't making this change because there was a problem with people coming back late, they are changing it because they intend to change/increase the use of fastpass, which makes it more necessary to get people coming back at a specific time. There may be rides in the future where there is no standby line, you just grab a ticket and come back when you're supposed to.

That part was NOT mentioned in the memo, unless you have heard it from the horses mouth himself, that is only speculative and not the absolute

 

[nytimez]

That part was NOT mentioned in the memo, unless you have heard it from the horses mouth himself, that is only speculative and not the absolute

It was not NOT mentioned in the memo either.

 

[vicki_c]

deleted - misunderstood a previous post!

 

[doconeill]

sure in that situation you did, but say you walk up to the fast pass thing and it has a time that you have an ADR, a show or you know you will be in your room ect. you arent going to pull that pass for later in the night when you return to the park you are just going to walk away. you are also not going to go grab a fast pass just to grab one right before you leave to relax eat ect.

people are also not going to run up to some ride a 9:00 grab a fast pass for 9:30 and get in line and just hold that fast pass all day to ride it later.

But on a popular ride like TSM, there will be someone behind that person that will still get that FP. TSM runs out of Fastpasses. Plenty of people still want the FPs, but can't get them because they are out. Now they can get them - but it doesn't mean that they will take longer to run out - it is just different people getting them.

That part was NOT mentioned in the memo, unless you have heard it from the horses mouth himself, that is only speculative and not the absolute

Well, neither was the other argument - that it is abso-fraggle-lutely is because something was wrong and they are fixing it.

But the CMs involved aren't being told that it is because something was broken, they are being told it's in preparation for the new system...

 

[NLD]

How many people pull fastpasses knowing that they are not going to use them? Just about everyone who get fastpasses have full intention of using them, just sometimes other things get in the way.

I think this could actually decrease availability and here is how.

Right now I could go get a FP for Soarin' right at RD. Say it is for 10 am. 10 am comes around and I decide I'd rather ride MS again then trek back over to Soarin'. My FP is then useless, so I just go over and get another one for later in the day, and since it is only 10 am, there are still FP available for 3 pm.

That means I pulled two FPs, when previously I would have only needed one (since I was previously able to use my 10 am FP at any time during the day), and left one for another person. Now some other family misses out on a FP, because I just used two.

Of course this means that some standby family lucked out because I didn't show up for my time, but that really has nothing to do with FP distribution.

I've wondered about this, too. Because I can see us doing the exact same thing... just pulling another FP if there's availability, if we miss a window on one that's important to us.

Given that we tend not to parkhop, it wouldn't concern us if the end time was in the evening, so it would be do-able.

 

[heyitsmejosh]

But on a popular ride like TSM, there will be someone behind that person that will still get that FP. TSM runs out of Fastpasses. Plenty of people still want the FPs, but can't get them because they are out. Now they can get them - but it doesn't mean that they will take longer to run out - it is just different people getting them.

sure if there is a never endling line to get them.. but for every person that walks away one person who wouldnt have gotten a fast pass before gets one now

 

[Princess Sleepy]

sure if there is a never endling line to get them.. but for every person that walks away one person who wouldnt have gotten a fast pass before gets one now

Um, have you seen the line for TSM FPs? Never-ending would be completely accurate.

 

[KellyNY]

How many people pull fastpasses knowing that they are not going to use them? Just about everyone who get fastpasses have full intention of using them, just sometimes other things get in the way.

I think this could actually decrease availability and here is how.

Right now I could go get a FP for Soarin' right at RD. Say it is for 10 am. 10 am comes around and I decide I'd rather ride MS again then trek back over to Soarin'. My FP is then useless, so I just go over and get another one for later in the day, and since it is only 10 am, there are still FP available for 3 pm.

That means I pulled two FPs, when previously I would have only needed one (since I was previously able to use my 10 am FP at any time during the day), and left one for another person. Now some other family misses out on a FP, because I just used two.

Of course this means that some standby family lucked out because I didn't show up for my time, but that really has nothing to do with FP distribution.

Actually the only person who lost in this situation is you. Someone in stand by line would benefit from you not showing up anyway(if you planed to use FP late). However you now have 3PM FP meaning you are not extra person for this time frame and not backing line up. I am also sure that if there other ride besides Soarin and MS you really wanted to do you would not waste FP in a first place, esp. that line for MS is always very short if any, and you walked all the way to Soarin anyway.

 

[Princess Sleepy]

How long is the Segway tour? Depending on your FP return time you may be able to ride it after your tour then go to lunch.

The Segway tour is 2 hours. Seems unlikely that FP times will be for a return time of 11:30-12:30 at RD.

Hey, maybe we need a FP Swap app for our phones. Then if you have a set you can't use, you can post it and trade it with someone else who needs a different time.

 

[heyitsmejosh]

Um, have you seen the line for TSM FPs? Never-ending would be completely accurate.

yes i have that doesnt mean that if one person decides that cant make it durring that time they arent going to pull a pass because they dont want to have to wait another 2 hours to get a another fast pass.. then one more person will get a fast pass who wouldnt have if they had pulled one.

 

[eliza61]

How many people pull fastpasses knowing that they are not going to use them? Just about everyone who get fastpasses have full intention of using them, just sometimes other things get in the way.

I think this could actually decrease availability and here is how.

Right now I could go get a FP for Soarin' right at RD. Say it is for 10 am. 10 am comes around and I decide I'd rather ride MS again then trek back over to Soarin'. My FP is then useless, so I just go over and get another one for later in the day, and since it is only 10 am, there are still FP available for 3 pm.

That means I pulled two FPs, when previously I would have only needed one (since I was previously able to use my 10 am FP at any time during the day), and left one for another person. Now some other family misses out on a FP, because I just used two.

Of course this means that some standby family lucked out because I didn't show up for my time, but that really has nothing to do with FP distribution.

But now if you pull that fp and don't use it, there is not extra body taking up ride space.

So let's look at your scenerio,
You pull a fp at 10 for a return time say 1 pm. the fps are calculated for a specific number of guest per hour. let's say for simplicity sake 20 guest. So between 1-2 Soarin can load and handle a flow at a nice rate of 20 guest fp per hour plus the standby folks.

Now lets say that ok you only pulled one but now an extra 10 of you guys who had a return time of 1 pm show up at say 6 pm along with the 20 fast pass people who had a 6 pm return time. whooo nelly, now we've slowed the cue up because we've got a 50% increase in riders. not only that but now the standby may have gotten slower because Soarin always stops the standby line to let the fp folks go....

So disney maybe more concerned about keeping a calculated ride flow rate than they are with everyone getting to ride every ride..... because in reality every one does have the opportunity to ride a ride. each person just has to decide what the wait time is worth to them but no one can say in reality "I couldn't get on a ride" because you always can.

disclaimer: I have absolutely no proof of what disneys priority lies, I'm speculating with the best of folks.

 

[NLD]

I don't really see how this will have ANY effect on FP availability for TSM. Someone help me understand...

Right now, people flock to TSM and scoop up FPs at rope drop. TSM runs out of FPs mid-morning. (Right?)

The only people who would choose not to get a FP are people who see the BEGINNING return time and realize they won't be in the park. (Because they plan to hop out of the park and not return.)

That would stay the same under this new policy.

So someone help me out here... honestly asking, maybe I'm missing something... I'm not "getting" how enforcement of the end-time windows will have any effect on how quickly TSM FPs run out?

 

[doconeill]

sure if there is a never endling line to get them.. but for every person that walks away one person who wouldnt have gotten a fast pass before gets one now

Right, which is exactly my point. At TSM, there really is a "never ending line". And for every person that walks away, another person gets one, because there is another person right there. How many people walk away from the machines because THAT line is too long, and instead wait in the standby queue? Now more of them can get FPs.

All that has changed is who gets them. More people who would have used them in the window but couldn't because they couldn't get them will use them, will now be able to get them. But they'll run out just the same.

At attractions where there isn't a constant pull on the FPs, which aside from Soarin' is most others, sure - they'll probably be available later.

yes i have that doesnt mean that if one person decides that cant make it durring that time they arent going to pull a pass because they dont want to have to wait another 2 hours to get a another fast pass.. then one more person will get a fast pass who wouldnt have if they had pulled one.

I'm really confused as to what you are arguing here...it sounds like the reverse of your argument from before. But I don't think what you typed is what you meant.

I don't really see how this will have ANY effect on FP availability for TSM. Someone help me understand...

Right now, people flock to TSM and scoop up FPs at rope drop. TSM runs out of FPs mid-morning. (Right?)

The only people who would choose not to get a FP are people who see the BEGINNING return time and realize they won't be in the park. (Because they plan to hop out of the park and not return.)

That would stay the same under this new policy.

So someone help me out here... honestly asking, maybe I'm missing something... I'm not "getting" how enforcement of the end-time windows will have any effect on how quickly TSM FPs run out?

No, we're talking about the "hoarders" - those that grab Fastpasses for the expressed intent of using them much later in the day. They would likely not pull them since they won't be usable that late. Or they still pull them and use them on time. Some percentage will do it either way.

 

[ChildAtHeart82]

I don't really see how this will have ANY effect on FP availability for TSM. Someone help me understand...

Right now, people flock to TSM and scoop up FPs at rope drop. TSM runs out of FPs mid-morning. (Right?)

The only people who would choose not to get a FP are people who see the BEGINNING return time and realize they won't be in the park. (Because they plan to hop out of the park and not return.)

That would stay the same under this new policy.

So someone help me out here... honestly asking, maybe I'm missing something... I'm not "getting" how enforcement of the end-time windows will have any effect on how quickly TSM FPs run out?

I'm sorry. Your post makes too much sense for this discussion. It must be removed.

We have used fastpasses after the printed time on our last few trips. That said, if I ever decide again that the TSM running of the bulls is worth it, it really doesn't matter to me what time the fastpass is for. Having gone to the effort to get the fastpasses, I will make sure we use them. I would expect the majority of guests will think similarly and for those that don't, there will be plenty in line behind them. Minimal change to how long TSM fastpasses are available.

 

[CandleontheWater]

Actually the only person who lost in this situation is you. Someone in stand by line would benefit from you not showing up anyway(if you planed to use FP late). However you now have 3PM FP meaning you are not extra person for this time frame and not backing line up. I am also sure that if there other ride besides Soarin and MS you really wanted to do you would not waste FP in a first place, esp. that line for MS is always very short if any, and you walked all the way to Soarin anyway.

Usually at Epcot the only FP I am interested in is Soarin', if I get there at RD, I'll go get my FP, walk over to TT, and then to M:S, no additional FP needed. Since won't need any additional FP, so I'll be free to grab another at Soarin' if I end up missing my early morning window.

What I'm saying is that I'm not backing up any lines, I understand how it works, and I realize it is a zero sum game- but I am taking more FP than I usually would, so in that instance there would be less FP availability.

I initially was responding to the individual who thought that this new plan would free up tons of FPs, and that they would be easier to get, but I think that this will just decrease the availability of FP even more.

 

[heyitsmejosh]

I'm really confused as to what you are arguing here...it sounds like the reverse of your argument from before. But I don't think what you typed is what you meant.
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wasn’t really trying to argue i was just saying sure the timeframe they are available may not be much longer if people walk away since its more of an never ending line but it does increase the availability of the fast passes to people who wouldn’t have had them before that’s all i was trying to say

 

[doconeill]

wasn’t really trying to argue i was just saying sure the timeframe they are available may not be much longer if people walk away since its more of an never ending line but it does increase the availability of the fast passes to people who wouldn’t have had them before that’s all i was trying to say

OK, yes, in a sense...more availability to those that would use them within the window, but it is still the same number of FPs in general. They were just as available as before, just used by a different group.