Fastpass Enforcement coming?

[Goofy4]

"Professional" Fastpass collectors? Now this thread REALLY has been taken over by the space lizards!

Tell me that is not what a "tour guide" really is.

This Space Lizard has got to get back to work now.

 

[Wadecool]

I have used fast passes outside the window many times, it is quite convenient, and I will miss that ability if it truly goes.

I'm not going to get mad about it, it is well within Disney's rights to change the way they use the system, and I will deal with those changes, and especially if this ushers in the ability to choose my own ride times from home.

I guess now, we just need to wait and see what REALLY happens.

Exactly! The change has not actually happened yet. It may be a little premature for the FP window police to be getting excited.

 

[jillybgood]

I see both sides to the argument..but one thing bothers me. Who says it's your "right" to ride all attractions regardless of dinner reservations, or other plans? If you can't make the new fp time alloted...then you don't ride. What about the people who can't ride at all because all of the fp's are gone and the sb line is out of control? You are both out of luck. Its vacation folks.....if you ride, you ride. If you can't be there when it is your turn to ride....better luck to you next time. Maybe this change will make things worse for some of you and maybe it will make it better for others....but regardless, rules are rules. Follow them or hit Universal next time.

I don't feel it is my "right" to ride a specific attraction regardless of a dinner reservation.

I do however believe it is my "right" to decide how I want to spend my vacation dollars. IMO this will have an quite an impact on my enjoyment of a Disney vacation and I will decide to spend my dollars elsewhere more often than I would have if the present system were to remain in effect.

Others will have view of how it affects their enjoyment of the parks and will not be bothered by it. They will visit just as often as they do now. Thats great I hope they have a fantastic time.

 

[doconeill]

Will rider swap passes also have an enforced return window?

There is no reason to believe so. They are flexible for different reasons.

And since we have a month before we can get first hand reports, can someone let me know WHICH Space Lizards to expect, please? I like to be prepared, and their scouts were spotted in snake and lizard form wandering loose in Epcot and around my resort last October....

I'm thinking they are the ones from the Eighth Dimension.

And soon, all you monkey-boys will bow to our...um...oops.

Look over there - an X-Pass! (scurries away)

 

[sjs314]

Enforcing the return time isn't going to change this. The only difference is that now everyone will just have to return on time - and most of them will. The others will have just wasted a fast pass. As it is now, most people do return within the window. Those that don't still could - they just don't because they don't have to. Enforcing the end times will only ensure that a larger percentage make more of an effort to get back to TSM in time.The only thing that is going to stop the hoards from converging on TSM is building another massively popular attraction.

I just feel "if" enough people look at the posted return time for the FP for TSM (as an example) and seeing it says between 12:20 and 1:20pm as it is now said person knows they have an ADR at LeCellier for 12:30 that they can not miss or will be charged $10 pp so they grab the FP having no intention of returning during the posted return time, and is planing on returning in the evening instead.

With the new system said person will just not take a FP either get in line now or return after their lunch at Le Cellier.
If enough guests fall into this pattern, it should in theory (IMO) allow guests who will be in the park(DHS) for the entire day to obtain a FP rather than getting to the park late(after rope drop) and finding all the FP gone by 10:30am.

I guess I will see first hand how the "new" policy works and effect the entire procedure as I will be in WDW on March 7th.

 

[mjp12831]

I see both sides to the argument..but one thing bothers me. Who says it's your "right" to ride all attractions regardless of dinner reservations, or other plans? If you can't make the new fp time alloted...then you don't ride. What about the people who can't ride at all because all of the fp's are gone and the sb line is out of control? You are both out of luck. Its vacation folks.....if you ride, you ride. If you can't be there when it is your turn to ride....better luck to you next time. Maybe this change will make things worse for some of you and maybe it will make it better for others....but regardless, rules are rules. Follow them or hit Universal next time.

It's not anyone's "right" to ride whenever - that's just the way it works now, and it works well.

People that don't get FP now still won't get them when it changes - enforcing end time does NOTHING to FP distribution - still a fixed amount of FP distributed, starting at opening time.

This change will not make it better for anyone but will make it worse for many (see my prior posts if this is not understood) - this makes it a bad change.

 

[HydroGuy]

missing a FP window can happen, but a 15 minutes cushion should be more than enough.

in my opinion, getting a FP in the morning with the intent of using it in the afternoon, hours after the return window, is basically line cutting.
To me it's like having an appointment at 10am with your Doctor, and coming in by 5pm on the pretense that you had to go shopping, and arguing that you must get front of the line access because you had an appointment that day... that's just downright rude in my book

It is not like that at all.

It is more like calling the doctor early in the morning for an appointment at 3PM and they tell you they are only filling appointments from first in the day to the last in the day and right now they are at 10AM would you like it? And you know you can't do it at 10AM because of a conflict so you have to decide whether to work around your conflict at 10AM or call back later and hope you can get the 3PM when you do have time.

If FP windows are to be enforced, a much more workable solution is to allow people to choose their own windows when they get their FP. Like you can for dining reservations.

 

[Jennasis]

I said it on page two, but does the average Disney guest even KNOW you can use FP's after the window? It seems to be common knowledge on the DIS, but how big a percentage do we make up of the daily visitors on property?

I think the change won't cause as much angst as some here seem to think it will. We all have had to adjust our touring styles as things have changed over the years...rope drop/no rope drop, the invention of FP, the morning cattle drive to TSM or Soarin', making ADR's right at 180 days (or 180+ 10) and on and on.

We will survive the next round of changes too.

 

[mjp12831]

I understand that at the end of the day if there is 1000 cars that's can go an hour and the park is open for 10 hours that at the end of the day with everything running perfect 10000 cars will go. If 900 passes are being issued that day an all of them are used it doesn't affect the overall total number of riders. However, what it does affect is the individual wait times of the fast pass guests who have additional people show up during their time slot. Instead of thise riders going earlier they are now adding additional bodies into the fast pass cue which increases wait times for both standby and the fast pass guests. Again, I understand that in total it's still the same amount of bodies riding at the end if the day but it impacts the individual wait times for those abiding by the window times.

This is wrong because anyone with a return time ahead of yours is already ahead of you in line whether you see them or not - if they showed up on time they would have taken up a ride seat, if they show up late for their return but 10 seconds ahead of you they still will have taken up a ride seat. In both instances they are ahead of you and you wait for their seat to vacate.

Just because you physically see that person in front of you now (you wouldn't have if they returned within their window), your perception is that your wait time increases, which is not reality.

 

[doconeill]

I said it on page two, but does the average Disney guest even KNOW you can use FP's after the window? It seems to be common knowledge on the DIS, but how big a percentage do we make up of the daily visitors on property?

I think the change won't cause as much angst as some here seem to think it will. We all have had to adjust our touring styles as things have changed over the years...rope drop/no rope drop, the invention of FP, the morning cattle drive to TSM or Soarin', making ADR's right at 180 days (or 180+ 10) and on and on.

We will survive the next round of changes too.

But by the same argument, if the amount who know they can use them late is low, then they don't likely have any real impact regardless...so why the need to enforce now?

 

[book_junkie]

I admit, I avoid crowds like the plague during vacations. I work as a librarian in a very busy and bustling public and non-traditional library , so when I'm on vacation, I like a little space. The most crowded times I've gone was Thanksgiving 2004 & 2007 (went shopping and enjoyed the resorts instead), and MNSSHP (never on Halloween).

So, in the interested of educating me please , for those who regularly use fastpasses to increase their touring times outside the window (REGARDLESS of whether or not anyone things it's allowed, please), just how many separate ride fastpasses are we talking about? 2? 3? 10?

Not trying to start an argument, just trying to understand, because I think my park strategy must be different than others- I start at one park and end up in another...

 

[nytimez]

I, like others, feel sorry for the CMs who are going to have to deal with all this right in the middle of Spring Break and Easter. You would think that they would implement this with a thought to crowds and timing- start with smaller crowd levels and work their way up....

And since we have a month before we can get first hand reports, can someone let me know WHICH Space Lizards to expect, please? I like to be prepared, and their scouts were spotted in snake and lizard form wandering loose in Epcot and around my resort last October....

All indications are that at least three species of space lizards have united here. This is unprecedented.

 

[MareSINY]

Personally for me I don't find this to be a problem. I'm one of those people who sticks to the FP return times so it's no sweat for me. I think it might even help cut down on the longer FP waits AND it might make getting a FP later in the day a little easier to do. Just think about all the TSM crowds running to get a FP that they don't plan on using until later in the day, they might think twice about grabbing that first thing in the morning FP which might make FP's available for rides like this later in the day.

Kudos Disney, I think this is a great idea!

 

[mom2rtk]

I heard this too..Doesn't really affect me..I generally use them within the window..Just another reason why I loved Universal..Yes those who stay offsite pay for the privelage of express pass, but onsite does not, and believe me not having to carry around slips of paper, stampede to a machine and clock watch my whole trip was SOOOOO worth it.

Yes, that was absolutely the beauty of using a FP outside its window. No need to clock-watch. You could get a Splash FP early in the day, head over to Fantasyland and Tomorrowland, send a runner to get BTMRR FP's when your window opens again,then head to Frontierland later in the day when BOTH FP's were elibible to be used.

Here's why I "get worked up" about it - it makes the park experience less fun.

If you hustle around the park and collect FP, you can go on the busiest day to any park and ride all day, including hitting the very popular ones 2 or 3 times per day, and almost never wait in a line more than 20 or 30 minutes. This implies that the system is working very well.

I cannot think of one benefit that changing (enforcing end times) will have. If someone can point out a benefit, I'd be happy to hear it.

In the meantime, I'm thinking that the change will result in me riding less times and being tethered to my cell phone clock all day watching times and figuring out where I am in the park - that is less enjoyable. I get to deal with schedules the rest of my year - when I'm in WDW, it's nice to not have to pay attention to the clock all day.

But you understand the FP police want you to ride less leaving them more.

It's time for the 1% of us who know how to maximize FP to share the FP WEALTH baby!

"Professional" Fastpass collectors? Now this thread REALLY has been taken over by the space lizards!

LOL! This is REALLY getting nuts.

And my money says they won't make the 100 person group with FP's follow the same rules as the average family group. They will STILL be allowed in all at once to let them remain with that one "chaperone".

If FP windows are to be enforced, a much more workable solution is to allow people to choose their own windows when they get their FP. Like you can for dining reservations.

This is key. Who wants to run across the park to get the FP in the first place, only to find out the time offered is the same time as your Crystal Palace ADR. Can't ditch the ADR because you'll be charged $10 a head. So what........ just hang out for an hour or so at the FP waiting for the times to change?

Those who say "if you don't like the time, don't take the FP" really just HOPE you'll bypass it so they can sleep late and get the FP you bypassed when they get there.

But by the same argument, if the amount who know they can use them late is low, then they don't likely have any real impact regardless...so why the need to enforce now?

BINGO!

 

[scubamouse]

I just checked WDW website and don't see anything? Do we have confirmation of this or just sources we deem reliable but still some question about whether it'll actually happen?

 

[doconeill]

I just checked WDW website and don't see anything? Do we have confirmation of this or just sources we deem reliable but still some question about whether it'll actually happen?

Why would there be anything on the WDW web site? The site would not say anything it doesn't say now, since they didn't advertise that you couldn't use them late.

This is an internal policy change, albeit one that is known outside of CMs...

 

[FlightlessDuck]

I'll believe it when I see it. We've heard this at least 3 times, each with a different date (I think September 1, 2011 was the last one). Only because TouringPlans.com is reporting it this time that I give ANY credence what so ever to this rumor.

 

[MichelleVW]

Here's why I "get worked up" about it - it makes the park experience less fun.

If you hustle around the park and collect FP, you can go on the busiest day to any park and ride all day, including hitting the very popular ones 2 or 3 times per day, and almost never wait in a line more than 20 or 30 minutes. This implies that the system is working very well.

I cannot think of one benefit that changing (enforcing end times) will have. If someone can point out a benefit, I'd be happy to hear it.

In the meantime, I'm thinking that the change will result in me riding less times and being tethered to my cell phone clock all day watching times and figuring out where I am in the park - that is less enjoyable. I get to deal with schedules the rest of my year - when I'm in WDW, it's nice to not have to pay attention to the clock all day.

Seriously! I told my college aged DD this "news" yesterday and she said, "Well, that will suck and we will have to redo all of our touring plans!"

Exactly! The change has not actually happened yet. It may be a little premature for the FP window police to be getting excited.

FP Window Police crack me up...so morally superior to the "rule breakers".

 

[Liandro]

Those who say "if you don't like the time, don't take the FP" really just HOPE you'll bypass it so they can sleep late and get the FP you bypassed when they get there.

The reality will by that the effectively used passes will be counted a few times each day.

Taken fast passes 500. Used fast passes 250. So 250 passes will be added to the ones that are left. This and the Next Gen passes whit the ones you will have to pay extra for is the future.

 

[Tomh]

You know, this could all turn out to be a CM overheard a conversation about the return system for Dumbo, where there won't be a queue line, and return times are going to have to be held a little more strictly, and it all just got blown out of proportion and now it is "every ride will only have a 15 minute leeway."