Fastpass Enforcement coming?

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I didn't say FPs as we know it are going away. .

What I don't know for certain is that they are not going away. There are no details on how X-Pass is being implemented to know if they are in place of or in addition to Fastpasses. My money is leaning towards in addition to.

Oh, I know, that's not what you said. I was merely directing the question to you. I thought, you might know.:goodvibes

I have heard, FP will go the way of the dinosaur. You will pretty much "pay to play".
 
OMG... :rolleyes:

How old are some of the people here? I'm reading what seems like a bunch of temper tantrums over a FREE service that WDW doesn't have to offer. I know we technically pay for it one way or another, but at least they don't charge any additional fees, like many other parks.

Yes, we have used FPs well after return times, and I will be slightly sad that we won't be able to do that anymore. But I don't understand why some of you are getting so upset over something that was always there in black and white, but they are just now choosing to enforce it.

Sure, you can dissect the language on the FP or whatever FP signs/policies are out there, but the fact is that they wouldn't have put a time window (beginning AND ending time) on the FP if you were truly able to come back anytime up until the end of the day. I'm sorry that they are just now going to enforce it, but we'll just have to adjust. If you just can't adjust and choose not to visit WDW because of this, then that's fine, too. That just means more FPs and shorter lines for the rest of us!
 
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OMG... :rolleyes:

How old are some of the people here? I'm reading what seems like a bunch of temper tantrums over a FREE service that WDW doesn't have to offer. I know we technically pay for it one way or another, but at least they don't charge any additional fees, like many other parks.

Make no mistake, FP exists to improve Disney's bottomline. The less time we spend in line, the more $$$ we spend at Disney. If, Disney thinks they can sell this "benefit"? You better believe, they will.
 

Checking in, and it's really been dead for almost 10 minutes. So...

Zero net effect people...

If it doesn't matter, why did Disney put a return time range on the FP?
 
The FP system has been working as-is for quite a while.

So my assumption is that this is really about preparing for X-pass.

And I'm not sure yet how to feel about X-pass. It will depend on what exactly it is, and how it's implemented.

The two things I know are that I don't enjoy an overly scheduled vacation, and I don't enjoy crowds. If we can find a system to make X-pass work for us, where we still enjoy lots of rides (including headliners), without being overly regimented, then I'll be fine with it.
 
OMG... :rolleyes:

How old are some of the people here? I'm reading what seems like a bunch of temper tantrums over a FREE service that WDW doesn't have to offer. I know we technically pay for it one way or another, but at least they don't charge any additional fees, like many other parks.

Yes, we have used FPs well after return times, and I will be slightly sad that we won't be able to do that anymore. But I don't understand why some of you are getting so upset over something that was always there in black and white, but they are just now choosing to enforce it.

Sure, you can dissect the language on the FP or whatever FP signs/policies are out there, but the fact is that they wouldn't have put a time window (beginning AND ending time) on the FP if you were truly able to come back anytime up until the end of the day. I'm sorry that they are just now going to enforce it, but we'll just have to adjust. If you just can't adjust and choose not to visit WDW because of this, then that's fine, too. That just means more FPs and shorter lines for the rest of us!

Well, some people mastered FP system to such degree that they can do Disney during busiest times like if it is May. Obviously they are upset, esp. if they already booked their trips. Try to do Spring break without it, you will ride only few rides a day, with impossible return times, running all over the park and long, long, did I say long lines.
BTW, I would gladly pay for Express Pass like Universal or other parks have to be able to go ahead of the line whenever I want. FP even when it worked well can not possibly stand even close to paid Express Pass, this is why it is free.
 
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Make no mistake, FP exists to improve Disney's bottomline. The less time we spend in line, the more $$$ we spend at Disney. If, Disney thinks they can sell this "benefit"? You better believe, they will.

Exactly. :thumbsup2

I just feel, no matter what the reason, this is top priority. Anything after that is moot.
 
The article says they will give a 5 minute early and a 15 minute late cushion. Stuff happens - a ride goes down and you get stuck in line or get poor service in a restaurant. I think they should give more of a late cushion, maybe 1 or 2 hours.

Agreed. If the parks are crowded it could take you 15 minutes to get from one side to the other. It's gonna take some spot on ride management to make sure you don't miss out.
 
Checking in, and it's really been dead for almost 10 minutes. So...

Zero net effect people...

If it doesn't matter, why did Disney put a return time range on the FP?

I'll play devil's advocate here:

If it did matter, why wouldn' the FP say "cannot accept late arrivals"? It already says cannot accept early arrivals, so Disney is clear on the early arrival point. It says nothing about accepting or not accepting late arrivals.
 
Yeah, but did you see fine print where it says you have to guarantee your return with a credit card and pay a $10 pp fine if you're late? ;)

Well, if it ever comes to reserving fast pass time slots six months in advance, I hope the DO charge a deposit which would be forfeited if you're a no show.
24 hour cancellation policy. One hour late grace period. No exceptions after that time. Additional $10 penalty for whining or pleading with the CM with the 1,001 excuses why you couldn't make it there on time. :)

Jim
 
Checking in, and it's really been dead for almost 10 minutes. So...

Zero net effect people...

If it doesn't matter, why did Disney put a return time range on the FP?

To drive the fastpass police crazy? ;)

I'm not sure I get the 5 minutes early thing. Anyone have a guess? Not sure I see the point. Once word gets out you can get in 5 minutes early, the people will STILL be standing there blocking the entrance.
 
My bad on Dumbo. It's been 13 years, memory fades. . . . . . . :goodvibes

Dolby1000
 
I agree, as soon as I read this I thought, yea, everything except test track which is always shutting down and us being told to come back anytime.

It isn't just Test Track... On our trip last week we encountered temporary closures of Space, Splash, Test Track, Figment, and Pirates - it really stood out because we're not used to seeing so many things closing, even briefly, during the day. We were also stuck on the safari for a very, very long time waiting for a white rhino to cross the road.
 
I'll play devil's advocate here:

If it did matter, why wouldn' the FP say "cannot accept late arrivals"? It already says cannot accept early arrivals, so Disney is clear on the early arrival point. It says nothing about accepting or not accepting late arrivals.

I think it's all of these different "interpretations" of the language that is causing so many people to be upset.

But it's very simple: If the FP says to return between 1:50PM-2:50PM, then return between 1:50PM-2:50PM. If it really is so hard for you to accept and/or understand, then you don't have to use them.
 
With all due respect, I have to believe that those who don't fully use fastpasses within the currently allowable guidelines are not having the same quality experience that those of us who do are having... many of us have enhanced the quality of our park time by carefully strategizing the nuances, including how and when to use FP. ... We ride all the big headliners at least twice, and make ADR's for when and where we want to eat. I am not arguing Disney's right to change their policy; I'm not arguing whether the return window should or should not be enforced; I'm not arguing whether or not this will make lines short/longer/etc; I'm simply saying that for those of us who tour strategically, at the busiest times of year, in the dreadful heat of summer, this change has the potential to significantly detract from our park experience.

That's an awful big leap you made there. People who don't tour the way YOU do aren't having a quality experience? If it works for you, great, but don't pretend to know how enjoyable or quality anyone else's experiences are.

Actually it's not a big leap - it's pretty accurate if you measure the quality of your trip by the amount of rides you get on and how much time you spend waiting.

Working the current FP system you can go on park days with crowd levels of 8 - 10 and ride everything including headliners 2 or 3x and never wait in a line more than a half hour. A system that allows you to do this is EXCEPTIONAL and imo shouldn't be messed with.

Jennasis - you're not wrong if you don't value your trip in that way, but alot of us do.

Much like MACfamily4, we are confined to summer trips when it's super busy. Year 1 I didn't understand late FP usage - Years 2 - 3 I did, and guess what, the year 1 trip doesn't even come close to measuring up to the second two trips.
 
Actually it's not a big leap - it's pretty accurate if you measure the quality of your trip by the amount of rides you get on and how much time you spend waiting.

Working the current FP system you can go on park days with crowd levels of 8 - 10 and ride everything including headliners 2 or 3x and never wait in a line more than a half hour. A system that allows you to do this is EXCEPTIONAL and imo shouldn't be messed with.

Jennasis - you're not wrong if you don't value your trip in that way, but alot of us do.

Much like MACfamily4, we are confined to summer trips when it's super busy. Year 1 I didn't understand late FP usage - Years 2 - 3 I did, and guess what, the year 1 trip doesn't even come close to measuring up to the second two trips.

I don't know, I think most people don't go to WDW for the rides, or at least most don't measure how successful their trip is by how many rides they get on. If people are ride crazy they tend to go to places like Cedar Point, they don't go to Disney.
 
But by the same argument, if the amount who know they can use them late is low, then they don't likely have any real impact regardless...so why the need to enforce now?

Mostly likely because of XPass. Assuming the rumors are even close to accurate about being able to reserve FP times from home, that will require more strict enforcement than the current system to prevent hoarding.

Or conversely, perhaps FP as we know it is destined to become the "b-list" way to skip standby lines, with those who qualify for whatever Next Gen system Disney dreams up being able to book the "good all day" variety of FP from home or their resort. That would be an added perk of staying on site for Disney to sell or an additional upcharge on tickets - instead of hustling to the FP machine and dealing with whatever return time it spits out, stay at a Disney resort/pay for XPass and get the privilege of booking 2 (number pulled out of thin air for the sake of speculation) open-ended FPs per day in advance. The concept could even be extended to the rumors of a tiered system, with value guests getting one per day, moderates two, deluxe three, etc. Keeping the existing system would allow Disney to layer a 'better' system on top of it without generating resentment by consigning day guests to the standby queues.
 
What exactly is this "X Pass"?? I can't even begin to imagine reserving times at home for rides?!?....and I am a type A planner...that is just crazy!!!
 
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