Fast Passes shut down

I never stand in 40 mins lines for anything. :thumbsup2 But in July, many people stand in lines way longer than that. Why? Because it's very busy, and FPs have been all given out by mid morning for some attractions. So, the stand by lines are typically at peak wait times pretty much the entire day. It doesn't matter if you think that 40 mins is long to wait in line...during peak season, it's not a long time to wait based on the crowd patterns.

I guess I'm just confused how someone who doesn't travel during peak seasons, can know how busy the parks are for wait times?

Tiger
Because I follow the wait times all year 'round. I know that a wait of over 20 minutes is avoidable even in a crowd level of ten.

The length of time that is a "long time" to wait doesn't change based on crowd level. A long time is a long time. What does change is whether something is a below or above average wait time for a particular time of day for that particular attraction. 40 minutes might even be less than you'd think that particular ride would be at in the middle of the day with the crowd level where it is (below average). I can't for the life of me understand why they wouldn't staff to run a fastpass line when it's still oppressively hot outside for the only water ride in the park.
 
Because I follow the wait times all year 'round. I know that a wait of over 20 minutes is avoidable even in a crowd level of ten.

The length of time that is a "long time" to wait doesn't change based on crowd level. A long time is a long time. What does change is whether something is a below or above average wait time for a particular time of day for that particular attraction. 40 minutes might even be less than you'd think that particular ride would be at in the middle of the day with the crowd level where it is (below average). I can't for the life of me understand why they wouldn't staff to run a fastpass line when it's still oppressively hot outside for the only water ride in the park.

This is interesting...do you have a special touring plan? Honestly, I've been in crowd level 10s, and the wait times are hours long for some attractions, so I can't imagine how you can only wait 20 mins when pretty much the entire day is at a peak wait time? How, for instance, on NYE, can you only wait 20 mins for a major attraction, when you can't even make it down 1foot on Main Street in 20 mins time as it's wall to wall people?

Very interesting...Tiger
 
I think Primeval Whirl is going to be a non-FP ride soon. I think the only reason they haven't taken it off the list completely is that because of the height limit, they still offer Rider Switch passes and having the kiosk there to run off a batch of those is convenient.

That and they don't need the kiosks anywhere else at the moment, so why spend the money to remove them?

It isn't even a Daisy option on the GAD FPs, in a park already bereft of FP choices...
 
This is interesting...do you have a special touring plan? Honestly, I've been in crowd level 10s, and the wait times are hours long for some attractions, so I can't imagine how you can only wait 20 mins when pretty much the entire day is at a peak wait time? How, for instance, on NYE, can you only wait 20 mins for a major attraction, when you can't even make it down 1foot on Main Street in 20 mins time as it's wall to wall people?

Very interesting...Tiger
Because there is no fastpass line that is more than 20 minutes. Rope drop, get fastpass for Space Mountain, then do Fantasyland before lines grow. If Peter Pan is more than 30 minutes by the time you get to it, fastpass it and then do HM, Jungle Cruise, and POTC. By then, you should be able to fastpass Splash Mountain. Then you go for your filler attractions that have no wait while you wait to be able to get another one. Then get Thunder Mountain fastpass. By this time, you should be able to go back around using the fastpasses you've been collecting all day. When you're near Space Mountain, get a fastpass for Buzz. That will probably be the last one you can get. This covers pretty much all of the major attractions.

Also, if your crowd level is ten, there will be an EMH sometime that week at MK where the park is open until three. The last 90 minutes at least will be walk ons for everything. There are always ways to avoid waiting in long lines at Disney. The more crowded it is, the more benefit you get from later hours.
 

The fastpasses being closed would really annoy me. However, if I was lied to I would take serious issue. The lying is crossing the line.
 
They shouldn't have been expecting a dead day on an EMH night. That's just dumb planning if that's the real reason. I doubt it though. I only go during non crowded times and have never seen fast pass machines closed due to it being a slow day. You're right to be upset and just ignore the people telling you 40 minutes is not a long time to wait. For people who tour efficiently to avoid lines, that's twice as long as you'll ever wait.

I have seen several rides even the safari in AK covered up because the park was not busy...Jungle Cruise at MK and BTMRR and Splash...In Epcot Norway and The Land rides covered up...never anything in DHS...all in the same week

You must not be travelling in a real slow time then...We typically go in Nov or early Dec
 
I would be OK with the fp machines being closed for the less popular rides, and its very possible the wait was not really 40 minutes (at least in my experience with this attraction, the wait time is usually much less than posted). However, I usually do better when someone gives me a straight and truthful answer - even if I don't like the truth. I would hate to be lied to.
 
I have seen several rides even the safari in AK covered up because the park was not busy...Jungle Cruise at MK and BTMRR and Splash...In Epcot Norway and The Land rides covered up...never anything in DHS...all in the same week

You must not be travelling in a real slow time then...We typically go in Nov or early Dec
I don't have to be there to know whether the fastpass machines are operating.

When specifically were fastpass machines not operating for Splash Mountain, BTMRR, and the Safari? Never heard of it reading the wait times site, from a personal account on this message board, nothing.
 
I don't have to be there to know whether the fastpass machines are operating.

When specifically were fastpass machines not operating for Splash Mountain, BTMRR, and the Safari? Never heard of it reading the wait times site, from a personal account on this message board, nothing.

Didn't you use to coach Notre Dame?:yay:
 
Come on now, how many times have I read on here about people who swear they go with a plan and never wait more than 10 minutes for any rides? If someone planned to hit Kali with FP, and the FP was down, that would throw a wrench in the plan. If someone lied about the reason for FP not being available, that would make me mad. As always, if you are unhappy about this, write Disney a letter. And also, it is perfectly reasonable to come here and let others know of your experience. :thumbsup2
 
The ones most likely to NOT be using it on any given day, even in moderate crowds:

It's Tough to Be a Bug

I really don't expect Bug to ever use regular FP's again.

The Bug FP machines have been covered for years, except when they use those particular machines to distribute the FP's for the DAK FP "experiments" ("Central FP Distribution" tests, "Show FP Distribution" tests) so often discussed on this board.
 
Because there is no fastpass line that is more than 20 minutes. Rope drop, get fastpass for Space Mountain, then do Fantasyland before lines grow. If Peter Pan is more than 30 minutes by the time you get to it, fastpass it and then do HM, Jungle Cruise, and POTC. By then, you should be able to fastpass Splash Mountain. Then you go for your filler attractions that have no wait while you wait to be able to get another one. Then get Thunder Mountain fastpass. By this time, you should be able to go back around using the fastpasses you've been collecting all day. When you're near Space Mountain, get a fastpass for Buzz. That will probably be the last one you can get. This covers pretty much all of the major attractions.

Also, if your crowd level is ten, there will be an EMH sometime that week at MK where the park is open until three. The last 90 minutes at least will be walk ons for everything. There are always ways to avoid waiting in long lines at Disney. The more crowded it is, the more benefit you get from later hours.

I just realized we are not talking about the same thing...The OP was talking about standby lines, was she not? Maybe I misunderstood...

I was discussing stand by wait times, and not Fast Pass lines. In July, standby wait times are frequently very high. Toy Story Mania was almost 3 hours last month, and our FP line was 50 mins. We had no choice to wait as we had already left and come back. We were leaving park, and would not be at DHS any other time that week, so we had to wait. It actually went by quicker than the 50 mins that the Supervisor told us the line would be. But, people were actually waiting in that huge stand by line, and it was an EMH night too, so it was crowded.

Thanks for the info - we know how to use FPs. We use them all the time, and frequently don't wait long for anything. Toy Story Mania last month was just a weird occurrence.

Tiger :)
 
Want some cheese? ;)

A 20 minute wait for a main attraction is basically, a "dead" day.
Forty minutes is busy but typical for the middle of the day.
I would have just done one of the other hundred things in the park.

I'm not whining, I am complaining. I will take ownership of it as well.
I think what seems to be lost here, is the guide indicated Fast Pass would be available for KRR yesterday, today, and Saturday. We picked Animal Kingdom today because of that, and it wasn't working. With a base ticket we couldn't go elsewhere. Disney put it in print that is was available today, and they should have honored it, period.

Whether 40 minutes seems long or short to others isn't particularly the issue. We chose this week specifically to take advantage of smaller crowds and by extension, shorter lines. We have a 4 year old that we took at March break and waited in horrific lines. This same 4 year old, just happened to love KRR. Anyhow, I don't recall Disney telling me when I purchased our tickets (which aren't cheap) that they reserve the right to charge full price whilst also reserving the right to save a few bucks artificially increasing wait times by revoking the fast pass option. Now, I'm sure Disney's right to hose the public is in the small print, and since some of you have already pointed out that they don't have to use fast pass, I assume they've read that fine print. So, while 40 minutes might be short compared to other times of the year, it is still about 30 more than it should have been had Disney stuck to their end of the deal. We should have been able to ride the attraction 2 or 3 times today, which was the plan, instead, we rode once, after waiting 40 minutes in sweltering heat. I'll gladly get hosed shelling out big bucks for amusement park tickets if it means my little cutie has a big smile. She should have had one today, but she didn't. When I asked why not, they just fed me a line of bull feces. Which by the way, we missed seeing on the safari.
 
I don't have to be there to know whether the fastpass machines are operating.

When specifically were fastpass machines not operating for Splash Mountain, BTMRR, and the Safari? Never heard of it reading the wait times site, from a personal account on this message board, nothing.

Yup, we've seen the Safari covered up too - Safari was a walk-on, so we hopped right on, and it was in the afternoon. We asked if all FPs had been distributed, and they said no, as it had been slow, so we were able to get right on. They had been open for most of the day though, so I think they had just closed them as it wasn't too busy.

Tiger :)
 
I'm not whining, I am complaining. I will take ownership of it as well.
I think what seems to be lost here, is the guide indicated Fast Pass would be available for KRR yesterday, today, and Saturday. We picked Animal Kingdom today because of that, and it wasn't working. With a base ticket we couldn't go elsewhere. Disney put it in print that is was available today, and they should have honored it, period.

Whether 40 minutes seems long or short to others isn't particularly the issue. We chose this week specifically to take advantage of smaller crowds and by extension, shorter lines. We have a 4 year old that we took at March break and waited in horrific lines. This same 4 year old, just happened to love KRR. Anyhow, I don't recall Disney telling me when I purchased our tickets (which aren't cheap) that they reserve the right to charge full price whilst also reserving the right to save a few bucks artificially increasing wait times by revoking the fast pass option. Now, I'm sure Disney's right to hose the public is in the small print, and since some of you have already pointed out that they don't have to use fast pass, I assume they've read that fine print. So, while 40 minutes might be short compared to other times of the year, it is still about 30 more than it should have been had Disney stuck to their end of the deal. We should have been able to ride the attraction 2 or 3 times today, which was the plan, instead, we rode once, after waiting 40 minutes in sweltering heat. I'll gladly get hosed shelling out big bucks for amusement park tickets if it means my little cutie has a big smile. She should have had one today, but she didn't. When I asked why not, they just fed me a line of bull feces. Which by the way, we missed seeing on the safari.

Ok, so you bring up something interesting about the guide. The guides will also say that there will be fireworks or parades, but sometimes, especially in July, those have been cancelled due to inclement weather, and there is nothing that can be done about it. If you book the Dessert Party and fireworks are cancelled, you do not get any sort of refund at all either.

I totally get that you were upset that your schedule was shook up due to having to wait extra time, but, it sounds like the park was not full, so Disney does have the right to close those FP machines as the crowds do not warrant their distribution. Maybe 40 mins was too long to wait for you, but I guess it wasn't too long to wait for Disney, so perhaps an email is in order? Explain your situation, and see what they explain to you about the FP policy. I don't have any FPs in front of me obviously, but I'm thinking there is something on them about how Disney has the right to not distribute or something to that effect? I'm sure Robo or Cheshire F would know.

You bring up some good points, but, I'm not sure what can be done about them as FPs don't even have to be given out - they are a perk that Disney controls and can distribute at their discretion. I'd be interested to see what Disney's response to you would be in regards to your specific situation.

I hope you are able to enjoy yourselves, Tiger :)
 
I'm not whining, I am complaining. I will take ownership of it as well.
I think what seems to be lost here, is the guide indicated Fast Pass would be available for KRR yesterday, today, and Saturday.

We chose this week specifically to take advantage of smaller crowds and by extension, shorter lines. We have a 4 year old that we took at March break and waited in horrific lines. This same 4 year old, just happened to love KRR. Anyhow, I don't recall Disney telling me when I purchased our tickets (which aren't cheap) that they reserve the right to charge full price whilst also reserving the right to save a few bucks artificially increasing wait times by revoking the fast pass option..

Wow. (To all of the above post, not just the quoted part)

Okay, I'll bite, I suppose. For starters, I've been to WDW LOTS of times when Kali was not running FP's. Getting soaking wet does not hold all that much appeal when it's 50 degrees outside. Many mornings in the cooler months are that cool. Even if the afternon highs are 75, when you are out in cooler weather much of the day, having to trudge all the way out of the park while wet - then sitting on an AC'd bus for 30minutes hold little appeal.

The same is true for Splash Mountain. Most of the day it's walk-on in winter. That said, there is aSHORT time even on cool days when the line sometimes DOES get 30+ minutes long - then it gets short again. Being new to WDw, you did not kow this. You probably got in line at the worst time of day, and did not stick around to see if the lne got shorter. You got upset, and left the park after riding once, right? Ifyou'd only stuck around a little while longer....

Next, I disagree that Disney really lied. It was true that all the fastpasses had been distrbuted for the day - even if that number was zero. It doesn't strike me as anything more than typical corporate-talk. If they told you they had distirbuted a 1,000 FP's, THAT would be lying. They didn't say that. They told you essentially that you should not expect the FP machine to be turned on later the same day. not what you wanted to hear, but potentially useful information nonetheless.

Next, the wait time was NOT 40 minutes all day. It was probably only that long for a very short time. You already said it was short in the morning. If this ride was a priority, why didn't you do it first? (see below about ride breakdowns) Always, always be willing to modify your plans at WDW. one of my WDw rules, "If riding an attraction is a top priority, and the line is short, don't wait until later."

I speak from experience when I say that most rides have an afternoon peak - but few rides hold that peak all day. I sort of agree with Lou Holtz's points. I have WALKED on to EVERY attraction at WDW, except maybe TSM and Soarin'. (I've only come close on those two without a fp.) Soarin' has a terrible loading system. The LOADING on that thing alone takes ten minutes- Unless you are first rider of the day, which I have not done - you basically MUST wait at least 20 min to ride it - just because o how it loads. TSM, I have done NEARLY walk-on; we only waited 15min standby and it was NOT first thing in the morning, or last at night.
I don't say this to brag, but to support Lou's points. If it's super crowded, then certain non-fp attrations do get long waits, and crowds do greatly limit your ability to get from point A to point B. However, I once rode BTMRR over 14 times in a row on Easter week with almost no waiting. Multiple times that night we were allowed to simply STAY on the coaster! (That has alos happned for us on other nights too.) Severla folks have chimed in about long waits this past July. Um, two nights this past July we practically had the parks to ourselves: Epcot and HS. I went on RnRC four times in a row with only about a five minute wait each time tops. (that one as far as I know you always have to get off and walk around)


I'm sorry that you are upset over this. Fastpass is a perk however, and not a guarentee. Disney states quite clearly that they can change the terms of almost anything at almost any time. If you are staying onsite with a package the terms are on your paperwork. Otherwise, I think they are on the website. At one point I've seen them there, I just haven't looked recently.

I further sense you are new to WDW. I see you only have 15posts onthe DIS, for example. I've been to WDw many, many times. (again not bragging, just explaining) Not every trip is perfect. I agree that Disney is not perfect. I've encountered rude, uninformed employees and far less than stellar room conditions, for example. I don't say this to be critical, but well...not getting FP's at Kali is kind of a small glitch really. Not when you think of everything else that was offering in AK to you that day. As another poster said, there's at least 100 other things to do in AK alone!

Making a single attraction the basis of your sense of happiness for the day (the week?) is not a healthy way to approach WDW. I may not have worded that well, but hopefully you get the gist of what I'm saying when I add that ALL the attractions at WDW are mechanical. They DO break down. In my extended number of years visiting the parks WDW does an AMAZING job of keeping them going, but they do break down. Kali closes down every time there is a thunderstorm - just for a start. Disney DOES change park hours at the last minute. Disney DOES close down individual FP machines. It is not AT ALL unusual, esp during a relatively slow week. It's also high hurricane season - Disney always has the right to close the entire park if a storm is coming. Of course Disney does everything in its' power to control line lengths - including making them sometimes (appear) longer.

You did do the right thing in one sense - you voiced your concerns to WDw staff, then you left the park and took a break (One of my big WDW rules, "When you are no longer happy; leave the park. Take a break.")

Now regroup, and please make the most of the rest of your visit. While I'm sure your daughter loves Kali, I'll bet she also loves much else at WDW. The kids I know live mostly in the present. At four, I'm sure there are other attractions that will thrill her just as much, or nearly so. If this is only your second trip to WDW - then she will find a new favorite this trip. Even after MANY trips, I make at least one new discovery just about every visit! You WILL almost CERTAINLY have a magic moment somewhere else along the way. Please, please, please - try to let go of this and focus onthe smile on her face, or the way another adult family member lets loose and acts like a little kid, or savor a delicious Mickey Bar. :mickeybar:mickeybar:mickeybar:mickeybar (OH, that's another rule of mine, "If things aren't going well, it's time to stop for a Mickey bar. If you can't find a Mickeybar, find a cookie, preferably a fresh chocolate chip.")

Beyond that, well...Disney doesn't owe you smaller crowds. That you trusted touring plans is not Disney's fault inthe slightest. (I'm not a fan of planning guides. Simply put, they are often incorrect. ) But it kind of sounds like that is part of why you are upset, crowds were higher than you (and maybe WDW) expected.

Last, and well....I'm going to go WAY out on a limb here...buuuut - if you are at WDW, and you encounter something that you think was a fault, problem, etc. The best method for getting it resolved is NOT to yell at a cast member. I have no idea what you actually said tothe staf or how you said it, but clearly your tone HERE is one of being upset. Words like "CHEATED" and "LIED" puts folks on the defensive. (Even the folks here.)

Much better to tell a cast members that your daughter was looking forward to riding it multiple times with fastpasses, but the wait is making that difficult. This part of your post is why I am responding. If you had simply siad that - and the FP machines' weren't on and laft it at that - I'm betting your response here on the DIs would have even been different.


Disney is not 100% all the time, but they FREQUENTLY do amazing things to make magic happen when they see a deserving soul. Some businesses would not care that your daughter was disappointed, but WDW staff members often do care about making kids happy. It's why I've been to WDW as many times as I have.
 
It would have annoyed me, too. I base everything I do on FP! But, I do see why Disney does it. Remember, they hire and schedule based on estimated park attendance. As a former CM I worked crazy long hours during peak times and short ones during "dead" times. Sometimes Disney will call people in on short notice if estimations are wrong, but not in time for a situation like yours. I would guess that the CM noticed the covers and just assumed wrongly what was going on. I don't think it was an intentional lie. If the guide said FP was available, that is misleading, maybe write a letter or email telling Disney to update guides better? I love using FP, but when the waits are so short, I think being in the parks is just better, the experience as a whole is so much more peaceful. So, I hope you got some good along with the bad. Did you notice other rides without FP? Or was it mainly DAK rides?

If you want Kali without a line, go in Dec./Jan during a cold snap lol. We thought, wow, it is a walk on! I knew it was "wet" but I thought it was like Splash Mountain, maybe some on your back or face, but nothing major. Then, half hour later we're buying sweatshirts because all of our clothes are soaked and we're freezing! We figured out why the line was so short!
 
That is a bummer that they were shut down.I would be upset too since you did not have a hopper. I dont really understand why they wouldn't be running and i would be extremely upset if I was lied to. Why couldn't they just say the truth, that they are not up and running today because of the crowd level.
A 40 minute wait isn't that bad. We were there last week and the longest wait time for us was 60 minutes on TestTrack, but it actually was only about 35 minutes. It's not that outrageous to wait 40 minutes.
 
We typically travel to WDW during slower, less crowded weeks of the year. It is not at all uncommon for Fast Pass machines to be closed at DAK, when park attendance is expected to be low.

Rather than getting all upset about it (when FP are not available, either due to not being in operation on that day, or having already all been distributed), we choose to just take a relaxed approach to our vacation. We ride the major attractions at times of day when their lines/waits are shorter, and fill in with other attractions & meals in between. If a posted wait time is much more than c. 15 minutes, in most cases we just pass it by and come back later -- more often than not that same attraction will end up being a very short wait or even a walk-on at another time of day. It is all about timing, and not following 'the herd'. ;)

When you want to ride an attraction multiple times, best to do so while the line is shorter. As others have mentioned, there is always a chance of a necessary ride shut down, longer lines, etc. occurring as the day goes on. You can not control those sorts of things, so there is no point in stressing over them. You can, however, control the choices that you personally make (choices like riding multiple times in the AM, while the line was still short... or touring other attractions at the park when the line became long, and then revisiting KRR later in the afternoon).

Edited to add that I just visited the WDW web site to double check, and sure enough they do clearly state the following (not in small print either, but as part of the description for FP):

Disney's FASTPASS Service is subject to availability.

So they do indeed give everyone fair warning in advance that FP is not always available.
 
Wow. (To all of the above post, not just the quoted part)

Okay, I'll bite, I suppose. For starters, I've been to WDW LOTS of times when Kali was not running FP's. Getting soaking wet does not hold all that much appeal when it's 50 degrees outside. Many mornings in the cooler months are that cool. Even if the afternon highs are 75, when you are out in cooler weather much of the day, having to trudge all the way out of the park while wet - then sitting on an AC'd bus for 30minutes hold little appeal.

The same is true for Splash Mountain. Most of the day it's walk-on in winter. That said, there is aSHORT time even on cool days when the line sometimes DOES get 30+ minutes long - then it gets short again. Being new to WDw, you did not kow this. You probably got in line at the worst time of day, and did not stick around to see if the lne got shorter. You got upset, and left the park after riding once, right? Ifyou'd only stuck around a little while longer....

Next, I disagree that Disney really lied. It was true that all the fastpasses had been distrbuted for the day - even if that number was zero. It doesn't strike me as anything more than typical corporate-talk. If they told you they had distirbuted a 1,000 FP's, THAT would be lying. They didn't say that. They told you essentially that you should not expect the FP machine to be turned on later the same day. not what you wanted to hear, but potentially useful information nonetheless.

Next, the wait time was NOT 40 minutes all day. It was probably only that long for a very short time. You already said it was short in the morning. If this ride was a priority, why didn't you do it first? (see below about ride breakdowns) Always, always be willing to modify your plans at WDW. one of my WDw rules, "If riding an attraction is a top priority, and the line is short, don't wait until later."

I speak from experience when I say that most rides have an afternoon peak - but few rides hold that peak all day. I sort of agree with Lou Holtz's points. I have WALKED on to EVERY attraction at WDW, except maybe TSM and Soarin'. (I've only come close on those two without a fp.) Soarin' has a terrible loading system. The LOADING on that thing alone takes ten minutes- Unless you are first rider of the day, which I have not done - you basically MUST wait at least 20 min to ride it - just because o how it loads. TSM, I have done NEARLY walk-on; we only waited 15min standby and it was NOT first thing in the morning, or last at night.
I don't say this to brag, but to support Lou's points. If it's super crowded, then certain non-fp attrations do get long waits, and crowds do greatly limit your ability to get from point A to point B. However, I once rode BTMRR over 14 times in a row on Easter week with almost no waiting. Multiple times that night we were allowed to simply STAY on the coaster! (That has alos happned for us on other nights too.) Severla folks have chimed in about long waits this past July. Um, two nights this past July we practically had the parks to ourselves: Epcot and HS. I went on RnRC four times in a row with only about a five minute wait each time tops. (that one as far as I know you always have to get off and walk around)


I'm sorry that you are upset over this. Fastpass is a perk however, and not a guarentee. Disney states quite clearly that they can change the terms of almost anything at almost any time. If you are staying onsite with a package the terms are on your paperwork. Otherwise, I think they are on the website. At one point I've seen them there, I just haven't looked recently.

I further sense you are new to WDW. I see you only have 15posts onthe DIS, for example. I've been to WDw many, many times. (again not bragging, just explaining) Not every trip is perfect. I agree that Disney is not perfect. I've encountered rude, uninformed employees and far less than stellar room conditions, for example. I don't say this to be critical, but well...not getting FP's at Kali is kind of a small glitch really. Not when you think of everything else that was offering in AK to you that day. As another poster said, there's at least 100 other things to do in AK alone!

Making a single attraction the basis of your sense of happiness for the day (the week?) is not a healthy way to approach WDW. I may not have worded that well, but hopefully you get the gist of what I'm saying when I add that ALL the attractions at WDW are mechanical. They DO break down. In my extended number of years visiting the parks WDW does an AMAZING job of keeping them going, but they do break down. Kali closes down every time there is a thunderstorm - just for a start. Disney DOES change park hours at the last minute. Disney DOES close down individual FP machines. It is not AT ALL unusual, esp during a relatively slow week. It's also high hurricane season - Disney always has the right to close the entire park if a storm is coming. Of course Disney does everything in its' power to control line lengths - including making them sometimes (appear) longer.

You did do the right thing in one sense - you voiced your concerns to WDw staff, then you left the park and took a break (One of my big WDW rules, "When you are no longer happy; leave the park. Take a break.")

Now regroup, and please make the most of the rest of your visit. While I'm sure your daughter loves Kali, I'll bet she also loves much else at WDW. The kids I know live mostly in the present. At four, I'm sure there are other attractions that will thrill her just as much, or nearly so. If this is only your second trip to WDW - then she will find a new favorite this trip. Even after MANY trips, I make at least one new discovery just about every visit! You WILL almost CERTAINLY have a magic moment somewhere else along the way. Please, please, please - try to let go of this and focus onthe smile on her face, or the way another adult family member lets loose and acts like a little kid, or savor a delicious Mickey Bar. :mickeybar:mickeybar:mickeybar:mickeybar (OH, that's another rule of mine, "If things aren't going well, it's time to stop for a Mickey bar. If you can't find a Mickeybar, find a cookie, preferably a fresh chocolate chip.")

Beyond that, well...Disney doesn't owe you smaller crowds. That you trusted touring plans is not Disney's fault inthe slightest. (I'm not a fan of planning guides. Simply put, they are often incorrect. ) But it kind of sounds like that is part of why you are upset, crowds were higher than you (and maybe WDW) expected.

Last, and well....I'm going to go WAY out on a limb here...buuuut - if you are at WDW, and you encounter something that you think was a fault, problem, etc. The best method for getting it resolved is NOT to yell at a cast member. I have no idea what you actually said tothe staf or how you said it, but clearly your tone HERE is one of being upset. Words like "CHEATED" and "LIED" puts folks on the defensive. (Even the folks here.)

Much better to tell a cast members that your daughter was looking forward to riding it multiple times with fastpasses, but the wait is making that difficult. This part of your post is why I am responding. If you had simply siad that - and the FP machines' weren't on and laft it at that - I'm betting your response here on the DIs would have even been different.


Disney is not 100% all the time, but they FREQUENTLY do amazing things to make magic happen when they see a deserving soul. Some businesses would not care that your daughter was disappointed, but WDW staff members often do care about making kids happy. It's why I've been to WDW as many times as I have.

Except for this July 1 - 12: this was our slowest July ever! Even July 4th was not that bad - spoke to many CMs in the parks, and DVC, and they all agreed this July was a weird occurrence. After logging thousands of July park hours, we have never seen it as quiet or slow as this July. We were walking on everything, at all parks, except for TSM, as I said. It was crazy busy! But due to our touring schedule, we decided to wait through a long FP line. No worries as we hadn't waited for anything at all. Most Julys though are long waits, massively huge tour groups and fighting a bit of weather, all of which makes long lines and park delays a regular occurrence. It is very common to see major attractions stay at 75 -100 mins stand by for the entire day...that's just how July works. As I stated, we don't wait in long lines for anything, but we are also DVC members, who have BTDT, but the OP is not. She is brand new to Disney, and so perhaps her expecatations didn't match Disney's that day? They wanted to do Kali, it was busier than she had liked, so that is when the problems started. Lots to do @ AK, but if they were set on this, I think it probably spoiled the rest of the day for them. I will agree though with you, that this was not Disney's problem.

You make some interesting points, but they are made with a touch of arrogance. You've BTDT, and are confident in how to tour WDW, as you've done it many times, but the OP didn't know a lot of what you said as it was her 1st visit, so it's understandable how she feels saddened about how her touring schedule went. I agree with you as well about touring plans though, we don't use them either - they are unreliable and work on past history, which as you know when at Disney, changes quite frequently! Also, if thousands of people walk into the park with the exact same touring plan at the exact same time, you are going to have waits. We do our own thing, but we've been there many times, just as you have.

I surely hope the OP is able to enjoy the rest of her trip. She may encounter long lines elsewhere, so hopefully, she is able to work through that in a positive manner so she can enjoy her WDW vacation to its fullest!

Tiger :)
 


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