Fast Pass+ is not bad for everyone...

[skier_pete]

"Bad service" At animal kingdom is pet peeve a mine.

Just so you know - when I disparage as "bad service", I am not punishing them for the fact that it takes 25 minutes for the bus to get to MK. That is due to location, not service. My comments were about the length of time spent WAITING for a bus, either at the resort iteself, or at the parks/water parks/DTD. If a park is further away from the resort (as MK is to AKL) then they need to run MORE buses so that the bus waits are the same or shorter. We found that was not the case, as we sometimes waited quite a long time for a bus to show up. Overall, it was not terrible, but I would put our bus experience there as on par with what we saw at moderates and values.

 

[Yellowstonetim]

I am so excited for Fastpass+, and I couldn't agree more. We are a family of four and have two littles. We are so over bombarding Hollywood studios with a HUGE pack for Toystory Mania, and running through the crowds for Peter Pan at MK. Its so great be able to schedule the rides we MUST go on, and then just relax and see other things around our ADR's and FP's. Starting to plan this trip is so much more relaxing knowing we can plan ahead, and not worry if we aren't there RIGHT when the park opens; it's stressful and makes for long days with little kids. I AM SO GLAD FOR fastpass+

I know exactly what you mean. Now you can relax!

I am convinced that Disney's research has found that there are 100 people that feel exactly as you do for every 1 person that is so upset they will stop coming or will spend substantially less. Note that I didn't say one that is upset, I said 1 that is upset and will stop coming or spend less.

 

[MommyBell08]

I know exactly what you mean. Now you can relax!

I am convinced that Disney's research has found that there are 100 people that feel exactly as you do for every 1 person that is so upset they will stop coming or will spend substantially less. Note that I didn't say one that is upset, I said 1 that is upset and will stop coming or spend less.

Thats right! I'm sure they have done their research. They are Disney, they obviously aren't hurting for money. Im sure the idea was not thought up by goofy one night and put into play by Mickey the next... They know what they are doing, you cant please everyone!

 

[beer dave]

Deluxe and up resorts have better overall bus service based on my experience. We mostly stay at value resorts because I refuse to pay a premium just to sleep in a bed, but over the years we have stayed at deluxe and up resorts when AP discounts made it possible and if there was one thing that stood out to us, it was better overall bus service.

Sorry-- the deluxes do not have better bus service. We almost always wait through 4 coronado springs buses or 4 port orleans

 

[tjkraz]

Walt's vision has long been abandoned.

You mean the vision which included a private, members-only club overlooking his theme park?

Or the vision which provided more rides for guests willing to buy more ride tickets?

Walt was a visionary...but he was also a businessman. It isn't fair or realistic to dismiss every unpopular move under the heading of "oh, Walt would never have done THAT!"

 

[beer dave]

You mean the vision which included a private, members-only club overlooking his theme park?

Or the vision which provided more rides for guests willing to buy more ride tickets?

Walt was a visionary...but he was also a businessman. It isn't fair or realistic to dismiss every unpopular move under the heading of "oh, Walt would never have done THAT!"

Excellent.

 

[WMorganS]

I am so excited for Fastpass+, and I couldn't agree more. We are a family of four and have two littles. We are so over bombarding Hollywood studios with a HUGE pack for Toystory Mania, and running through the crowds for Peter Pan at MK. Its so great be able to schedule the rides we MUST go on, and then just relax and see other things around our ADR's and FP's. Starting to plan this trip is so much more relaxing knowing we can plan ahead, and not worry if we aren't there RIGHT when the park opens; it's stressful and makes for long days with little kids. I AM SO GLAD FOR fastpass+

Yeah, but just ONE? Do I understand the system correctly, in that once FP- is gone you'll only be able to get ONE headline FP per day?

I just can't fathom why they want us waiting in lines, as opposed buying stuff in stores while we wait for our FP- time to come up.

 

[skier_pete]

Yeah, but just ONE? Do I understand the system correctly, in that once FP- is gone you'll only be able to get ONE headline FP per day?

I just can't fathom why they want us waiting in lines, as opposed buying stuff in stores while we wait for our FP- time to come up.

They have been trying that out at Epcot and DHS. It is not known if it is permanent or not. Again, my feeling is eventual hybrid system will win out, where maybe you can only prebook ONE headliner, but then could get additional ones on the day of. I can't imagine all headliner FP will be used if every person in the park can only get one FP across several ride choices.

Let's say there's available 20,000 Soarin' FPs, 20,000 Test Track, another 10,000 Maelstrom, and 2,000 for Illuminations (the "top" tier rides at EPCOT) which gives us 52,000 FP. If there are only 30,000 people in the park on a given day (this is average of the annual attendance at EPCOT), that means 22,000 unused FPs? Would they really do that? And on a slow day, when there's only 15,000 people in the park? What then?

My thought is the concept will work out to ensure everyone gets an opportunity to get a headliner FP, with day of allowing additional FP as available. I of course could be wrong - but this seems most logical to me.

 

[DebbieB]

I'm not paying thousands of dollars for a trip to WDW to be told I can only ride a certain ride once. Forget about it.

If I want to get as many fast passes as allowed by Disney for a ride like space mountain, then I have every right to do so.

I've not done anything that's against the rules by Disney, if their rides or attractions were meant to be one time only attractions, they they would have never left the "ticket book" pricing model.

That's absurd.

You aren't being told you can only ride a ride once. You can ride the same ride all day long if you want but you can only fastpass it once and let others have a turn at fastpass.

I used it last month and really liked it. I liked being able to plan in advance the times I wanted. I didn't have to wait for the return clock to hit the time I wanted to fit in with my plans. I didn't have to be at the ride to get my fastpass.

 

[MichiganDVC]

...But, then to me as of the opening of the park, they should allow anyone to get additional FPs as available using the old rules (once you enter the park, you can book additional FPs once every two hours as they are available). The reason is that if they convert everyone to FP+, there could be a LOT of unused FPs that are simply not available.

This way, everyone gets a chance to pre-book Soarin', but if I really want to ride it twice, I could book a second one the day of...

Yeah, but just ONE? Do I understand the system correctly, in that once FP- is gone you'll only be able to get ONE headline FP per day?

I just can't fathom why they want us waiting in lines, as opposed buying stuff in stores while we wait for our FP- time to come up.

Aha, two things that almost everyone is forgetting:
1. If you allow ALL the FP+ to be prebooked, then there is no room for flexibility. You wouldn't be able to change your FP+ time the day of, which you can do now with ease.

2. Less FPs = quicker standby line. Everyone is imagining standby lines of the future are the same as the ones of the past. If ALL the TSMM FPs are gone by 11am, then the standby line is also 60-90 minutes long...because of all the priority given to the 20,000 FP holders. But, if TSMM only lets 10,000 FPs out for each day, then standby should move more quickly due to less FP riders. So you won't NEED 6-10 FPs each day. Standby shouldn't be as bad as it has been...

 

[ChipnDale79]

You aren't being told you can only ride a ride once. You can ride the same ride all day long if you want but you can only fastpass it once and let others have a turn at fastpass.

I used it last month and really liked it. I liked being able to plan in advance the times I wanted. I didn't have to wait for the return clock to hit the time I wanted to fit in with my plans. I didn't have to be at the ride to get my fastpass.

My comment was in response to someone saying that riding a ride more than once was "hogging" it from the others.

 

[MichiganDVC]

My comment was in response to someone saying that riding a ride more than once was "hogging" it from the others.

What we're all really talking about is TSMM. People who get there at 7:45 for an 8:30 early open can get a FP, ride stand by, ride with FP and get another FP. Then get another for later in the evening if still available.
Meanwhile, its 11:00am and someone just getting to the park is faced with a 70 min standby or 7:00pm FP return time.

Now, with limits on FP+, that same person above can ride standby at rope drop (maybe twice) and then use their one FP+ for later. Either way, its freed up 1-2 extra FPs for someone else to use.

Here's my analogy:
You're at the all-you-can-eat ice cream bar at your local restaurant. You decide that since M&Ms are the most desirable candy to put on your sundae that you will fill your bowl to the brim with M&Ms. And the person behind you does this as well. And the person behind them. By the time the 4th person in line reaches the ice cream bar, there's no more M&Ms.
But hey...if they had just finished their dinner a little earlier and run over to the ice cream bar, they MAY have had a chance at the M&Ms. They had the same opportunity you did, right? To the victor goes the spoils.

The point is it is greedy. There should be plenty for everyone to enjoy, but instead our first and only thoughts are ME and MINE and how much can I get for ME.

 

[rebbyparker]

What we're all really talking about is TSMM. People who get there at 7:45 for an 8:30 early open can get a FP, ride stand by, ride with FP and get another FP. Then get another for later in the evening if still available.
Meanwhile, its 11:00am and someone just getting to the park is faced with a 70 min standby or 7:00pm FP return time.

Now, with limits on FP+, that same person above can ride standby at rope drop (maybe twice) and then use their one FP+ for later. Either way, its freed up 1-2 extra FPs for someone else to use.

Here's my analogy:
You're at the all-you-can-eat ice cream bar at your local restaurant. You decide that since M&Ms are the most desirable candy to put on your sundae that you will fill your bowl to the brim with M&Ms. And the person behind you does this as well. And the person behind them. By the time the 4th person in line reaches the ice cream bar, there's no more M&Ms.
But hey...if they had just finished their dinner a little earlier and run over to the ice cream bar, they MAY have had a chance at the M&Ms. They had the same opportunity you did, right? To the victor goes the spoils.

The point is it is greedy. There should be plenty for everyone to enjoy, but instead our first and only thoughts are ME and MINE and how much can I get for ME.

Bad analogy. Most restaurants would just refill the M&M bowl unless there's a tragic shortage of M&M's in the world. Disney can't do this because in two parks they don't have the capacity. Which begs the question, why not build more M&M's? I mean rides.

 

[ChipnDale79]

What we're all really talking about is TSMM. People who get there at 7:45 for an 8:30 early open can get a FP, ride stand by, ride with FP and get another FP. Then get another for later in the evening if still available.
Meanwhile, its 11:00am and someone just getting to the park is faced with a 70 min standby or 7:00pm FP return time.

Now, with limits on FP+, that same person above can ride standby at rope drop (maybe twice) and then use their one FP+ for later. Either way, its freed up 1-2 extra FPs for someone else to use.

Here's my analogy:
You're at the all-you-can-eat ice cream bar at your local restaurant. You decide that since M&Ms are the most desirable candy to put on your sundae that you will fill your bowl to the brim with M&Ms. And the person behind you does this as well. And the person behind them. By the time the 4th person in line reaches the ice cream bar, there's no more M&Ms.
But hey...if they had just finished their dinner a little earlier and run over to the ice cream bar, they MAY have had a chance at the M&Ms. They had the same opportunity you did, right? To the victor goes the spoils.

The point is it is greedy. There should be plenty for everyone to enjoy, but instead our first and only thoughts are ME and MINE and how much can I get for ME.

So you support that a guest should only ride a ride once on their visit? Thank God Disney doesnt agree with you (for now), if they did, then you can bet your paycheck that attendance would collapse.

So now we are going to compare someone that rides a ride more than once, to someone who takes all the M&M's off the Ice Cream Bar.

TSMM wasnt running out of fast passes because people were hogging them, the system didnt allow that. TSMM was running out of Fast Passes because of the lack of attractions at DHS.

So your ice cream bar has M&Ms, Oreos, Nuts, and Chocolate Chips, that's all its got. The containers that hold those ingredients only support 4 or 5 people getting a portion size (a fast pass), the 5 people in front of you want M&M's and get them, you're the 6th person and you want M&Ms. Are the people in front of you being greedy? Or does the buffet not offer enough products and you showed up late to the party?

TSMM isn't really a fair comparison, it's the only attraction at Disney that routinely runs out of Fast Passes close to rope drop.

I'm failing to see how riding a ride more than once is being greedy.

 

[MommyBell08]

So you support that a guest should only ride a ride once on their visit? Thank God Disney doesnt agree with you (for now), if they did, then you can bet your paycheck that attendance would collapse.

So now we are going to compare someone that rides a ride more than once, to someone who takes all the M&M's off the Ice Cream Bar.

TSMM wasnt running out of fast passes because people were hogging them, the system didnt allow that. TSMM was running out of Fast Passes because of the lack of attractions at DHS.

So your ice cream bar has M&Ms, Oreos, Nuts, and Chocolate Chips, that's all its got. The containers that hold those ingredients only support 4 or 5 people getting a portion size (a fast pass), the 5 people in front of you want M&M's and get them, you're the 6th person and you want M&Ms. Are the people in front of you being greedy? Or does the buffet not offer enough products and you showed up late to the party?

TSMM isn't really a fair comparison, it's the only attraction at Disney that routinely runs out of Fast Passes close to rope drop.

I'm failing to see how riding a ride more than once is being greedy.

Its greedy because not everyone can get to the fastpass machine RIGHT after the park opens as easily as others. Wheel Chairs, Strollers, single parents with small children. These people can't always get to the ride as fast as someone that has a "runner", then if they don't want to wait in a two, sometimes three hour line, they miss out on the ride altogether. Get one fastpass, and wait in line if you want to ride again. Sheesh!

 

[MommyBell08]

So you support that a guest should only ride a ride once on their visit? Thank God Disney doesnt agree with you (for now), if they did, then you can bet your paycheck that attendance would collapse.

So now we are going to compare someone that rides a ride more than once, to someone who takes all the M&M's off the Ice Cream Bar.

TSMM wasnt running out of fast passes because people were hogging them, the system didnt allow that. TSMM was running out of Fast Passes because of the lack of attractions at DHS.

So your ice cream bar has M&Ms, Oreos, Nuts, and Chocolate Chips, that's all its got. The containers that hold those ingredients only support 4 or 5 people getting a portion size (a fast pass), the 5 people in front of you want M&M's and get them, you're the 6th person and you want M&Ms. Are the people in front of you being greedy? Or does the buffet not offer enough products and you showed up late to the party?

TSMM isn't really a fair comparison, it's the only attraction at Disney that routinely runs out of Fast Passes close to rope drop.

I'm failing to see how riding a ride more than once is being greedy.

Its greedy because not everyone can get to the fastpass machine RIGHT after the park opens as easily as others. Wheel Chairs, Strollers, single parents with small children. These people can't always get to the ride as fast as someone that has a "runner", then if they don't want to wait in a two, sometimes three hour wait, they miss out on the ride altogether. Get one fastpass, and wait in line if you want to ride again. Sheesh!

 

[ChipnDale79]

I've never sent a runner I get a fast pass for tsmm and it's almost impossible to get 2 fast passes for this ride in one day. It's not greedy to ride a ride more than once.


The day disney says I can only ride their rides once per day will be the day they stop getting my money.

Sheesh.

 

[rebbyparker]

I've never sent a runner I get a fast pass for tsmm and it's almost impossible to get 2 fast passes for this ride in one day. It's not greedy to ride a ride more than once.

The day disney says I can only ride their rides once per day will be the day they stop getting my money.

Sheesh.

Agreed. This IS an amusement park, you know. How silly to think people should want to ride something more than once and actually plan so that happens.

 

[Silock]

Its greedy because not everyone can get to the fastpass machine RIGHT after the park opens as easily as others. Wheel Chairs, Strollers, single parents with small children. These people can't always get to the ride as fast as someone that has a "runner", then if they don't want to wait in a two, sometimes three hour wait, they miss out on the ride altogether. Get one fastpass, and wait in line if you want to ride again. Sheesh!

You can ride SB even without getting a RD FP. The lines at RD are more than reasonable.

 

[luvmy3]

What we're all really talking about is TSMM. People who get there at 7:45 for an 8:30 early open can get a FP, ride stand by, ride with FP and get another FP. Then get another for later in the evening if still available.
Meanwhile, its 11:00am and someone just getting to the park is faced with a 70 min standby or 7:00pm FP return time.

Now, with limits on FP+, that same person above can ride standby at rope drop (maybe twice) and then use their one FP+ for later. Either way, its freed up 1-2 extra FPs for someone else to use.

That someone has the same opportunity to do what the early people do, but instead they decide to get to the park "late".
And FTR, I am the person who arrives late, and no way do I think its unfair that I don't get any FP's or late returns for certain rides.