Fast Pass changing?

[SuBeat]

I think it is pretty unlikely that this is ever going to happen, but I have to admit I've gotten quite a kick out of some the posts. I had NO IDEA that I was ROYALTY and even less of an idea that I was somehow at the TOP of the Disney Class System. Now, I'm sure we aren't exactly at the tippy top, since WL is the cheapest deluxe we would be hovering somewhere under those in the upper echelons.

Seriously, all the comments about those of us that choose to stay onsite apparently rolling around in our piles of money at home.......you really have no idea what some of us do to enable ourselves to stay where we like.

 

[basas]

I agree that there should be benefits to staying on site- however, there should not be 'benefits' to onsite guests that take away from the experience of other guests.

 

[dan-tot]

I go every year and have stayed onsite and off. If I am forced to stay on site all the time I would have to cut my time down to maybe once every two years or maybe three. I spend close to a thousand dollars at disney during my stay. I really can't afford on site accomendations all the time and I am NOT going to stay at All Star Whatever. I am not the only one who works hard to get deals so they can come EVERY year. So Disney could see alot of money go down the drain if they went ahead with a lame brain idea like that. If you also can remember, people who stay on site have early entry and late stays which offsite people cannot get.

Universal has a front of line pass for people who stay at the hotels, BUT they also have a fast type pass system in place as well. I think they call it their express pass system. Never really had to use it.

Dan-tot

 

[jctwizzer]

In my humble opinion, anyone who thinks this is going to happen has his head where the sun don't shine. If the original post had any basis in fact at all, the best you can say is that its another case of a CM seeing the extent to which the tourists will believe anything. In my case, I know of five instances where a CM said something was going to happen, and none of them have ever taken place. Monorail expansion of some sort is the most common subject.
For one, the change would take a major overhaul of the fastpass computer system. The current system does not check to see if you're a resort guest---instead, it checks the park ticket used to generate the fastpass against the park admissions for that day---if that ticket wasn't used to get in the park, a Fastpass will not be issued....let's not get too carried away, it seems to be aggrevating the elitists

 

[robinb]

Please don't flame me for suggesting this. I understand that DVC members might be upset by this. But I can't really be concerned with that since I am not a DVC member myself.

My goodness. Your humor has developed quite a bite.

I personally have no problem with Disney rewarding people who stay at their resorts. If Disney wants to give additional perks to encourage guests to spend more of their vacation dollars in the 24/7 magic then it is their prerogative. Not only do onsite guests spend their resort dollars at Disney, but many of them eat all their meals in Disney restaurants. It would be no surprise that an on-site guest spends 2-3 times more than an off-site guest. It should be no surprise to you that Disney might want all the on-site guests as possible.

If you feel shorted in some way, then perhaps you should consider staying on-site.

 

[nataliesdaddy]

You can't compare Universal to Disney. There are only 3 hotels at Universal and you pay 250.00 a night for a hotel room. They do not have 55.00 Value or Moderate hotels. If you are offsite, you still have access to Fastpass just not FOTL. A comparison may be if Disney granted FOTL to people staying in their deluxe hotels only.

Anyways, if they brought it in, I would rent a value onsite and stay offsite in a huge condo and I would still be further ahead money wise and have all my space, lol.

wow .. thats actually a really really good idea...even under current circumstances it is a good idea...

 

[DisneyKidFoever]

This will my Dh and I's first trip to WDW, as our honeymoon!!!!!
I will tell you that the fastpass option is not that widely advertised and I; like an idiot; booked our flight and hotel and car before I found this site. I booked offsite this time , wish I hadnt but im not sure that we could have affored it if we had done it any other way and to me that would be like either punishing those that cannot afford to stay"onsite" or the ones that did saying nananananana!! and that could make alot of people very angery!

 

[nataliesdaddy]

I agree that there should be benefits to staying on site- however, there should not be 'benefits' to onsite guests that take away from the experience of other guests.

well that is the real question - is what takes away from the experience? The way I see it DisneyWorld is already losing a tremendous amount of revenue, I know poor, middle class, and wealthy that will not go to DisneyWorld again because the place is already overcrowded, overworked, and a zoo in general. Disney loses clientele because of it - whether people like it or not or live under the illusion that it is somehow elitist - Disney may be better off revenue wise to reduce the number of people in the parks. It would cut me out of being able to afford it, but that is life.

On another note...It astounds me how some assume some hypicritical moralistic stance on this subject. Many posters here have stated that they would love the convenience of a FOTL or some resort exclusive pass. Because, admit it, whether anyone wants to believe it or not it is plain fact it would be convenient. Yet, people love to judge these people voicing that as "being elitist" or "not caring about others" or "being selfish". Frankly, the irony blows me away - every person posting in this chatroom is one of the wealthiest people in the world. The majority of people don't even have access to a computer let alone actually have their own with internet access. But I don't see the poelple judging "the elitists" and "selfish" pointing the finger at themselves for living as one of the wealthiest people on earth, getting more perks then the vast majority of people on the planet earth.

I used to literally live in a van at the edge of the san juan river. I went to the
day labor site everyday to get a days work. I ate top ramen noodles everyday, and slept with a shotgun for protection. And in all my days of extreme poverty (by american standards)I never once exhibited the kind of arrogant self righteous and judgemental moralistic attitudes I have witnessed here by people pretending to give two hoots about class distinctions. I never once judged that guy with the house and wife and fine car. I never once judged the people who had all the priviledges. And when I was on my feet finally, I never once judged the guy in first class on the airplane, or the people laughing over champagne. Because I understood that the distinctions are ignorant. Someone happens to be more fortunate then I. So what? In some twisted logic?... I was supposed to see the people that could afford more then me as being inferior for being elitist? That is absurd. It was what it was, thats all. I was exceedingly poor, thats all. Nothing to take personal. And frankly nothing worth judging others over.

Yet, now that I can stay concierge at some place, or now that I or others can say "wow that would be convenient" all of a sudden people malign others with some hypocritically altruistic judgementalism or some sarcasm... saying, "well those people who can afford these things have no feelings and don't think about others" Well I have bad news here folks - everyone on this thread is one of the filthiest richest people on earth. By the judgemental standards I have seen voiced here, everyone here is an elitist pig. So get off your high horse. Because... if you have ever walked through the front gates of any Disney attraction for even a minute - you must be an elitist because you are one of the wealthiest 99+% of the world.

 

[MossMan]

I used to literally live in a van at the edge of the san juan river.

A van you say. Luxury! Oh, we used to dream of living in a van! Would have been a palace to us! We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish heap. We got woke up every morning by 'aving a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! Van, huh!

And you try and tell the young people of today that, and they won't believe you!

 

[nataliesdaddy]

A van you say. Luxury! Oh, we used to dream of living in a van! Would have been a palace to us! We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish heap. We got woke up every morning by 'aving a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! Van, huh!

And you try and tell the young people of today that, and they won't believe you!

I really don't care if they believe me... and see that is the problem.. you imply you care about the distinctions... people will say they care about the plight or seperation... but you just mocked and judged me for the poverty I came out of.

that is the hypocrisy of what people are saying here

 

[biz410]

A van you say. Luxury! Oh, we used to dream of living in a van! Would have been a palace to us! We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish heap. We got woke up every morning by 'aving a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! Van, huh!

And you try and tell the young people of today that, and they won't believe you!

 

[nataliesdaddy]

Like I said the hypocrisy of it all - mocked for the poverty I came from, disbelieved - people really don't get it...

 

[edolee]

At the end of the day, Disney will (and should) make this decision based on the business outcome. If Disney were to take this path, they would gain some hotel business, and lose some "offsite" business. I promise you, there is some financial analyst deep in the bowels of Disney with a big hairy spreadsheet that models this, and some marketing person that has gotten them projected numbers to fill in the spreadsheet... If the model shows a LARGE revenue increase for Disney, they would have to seriously consider this path to be true to their shareholders... if it shows just a slight gain or breakeven (or loss) they probably wouldn't try it since the risk would outweigh the reward. (Course they would probably also have to give plenty of notice for this particular change given the legal risk they might incur given all the advertising that has been done about FP being for "everyone").

I'm not really sure I follow the moralizing that is going on in this thread. Disney won't make this decision based on some moral right and wrong...

Personally, I would not stay onsite at Disney unless they significantly raised the value of staying onsite (I have rented a 3BR Villa nearby WDW for the price of a "value" room.) If Disney did decide to go to this new FP formula, I think it would disuade me from staying offsite while at the same time pricing me out of a WDW vacation, I suspect this is a common problem, and I'll bet this is why Disney won't take this path.

Also, be careful what you wish for.... Some of you who are pulling for this change need to realize that they may also be able to raise hotel room rates if this were popular enough, and you could be priced out too.

Ed

 

[nataliesdaddy]

Wow, Excellent post Ed.

At the end of the day, Disney will (and should) make this decision based on the business outcome. If Disney were to take this path, they would gain some hotel business, and lose some "offsite" business. I promise you, there is some financial analyst deep in the bowels of Disney with a big hairy spreadsheet that models this, Ed

hahahahahahahahahaha.... too funny ... and right on the money... they have number crunched this and numerous other issues from every angle concievable...

and some marketing person that has gotten them projected numbers to fill in the spreadsheet... If the model shows a LARGE revenue increase for Disney, they would have to seriously consider this path to be true to their shareholders... if it shows just a slight gain or breakeven (or loss) they probably wouldn't try it since the risk would outweigh the reward. (Course they would probably also have to give plenty of notice for this particular change given the legal risk they might incur given all the advertising that has been done about FP being for "everyone").

Yeah, execution risk operationally and legally on something like a swap out of a pass structure would be enormous.

I'm not really sure I follow the moralizing that is going on in this thread. Disney won't make this decision based on some moral right and wrong...

Personally, I would not stay onsite at Disney unless they significantly raised the value of staying onsite (I have rented a 3BR Villa nearby WDW for the price of a "value" room.) If Disney did decide to go to this new FP formula, I think it would disuade me from staying offsite while at the same time pricing me out of a WDW vacation, I suspect this is a common problem, and I'll bet this is why Disney won't take this path.Ed

yeah they would have to offset the loss of off site revenue by increasing on site fees. Never know though - could have the effect of increasing margins due to people with more purchasing power being a greater percentage of customer mix - would price me out of the market though... I can barely afford the vacations we take as it is.

Also, be careful what you wish for.... Some of you who are pulling for this change need to realize that they may also be able to raise hotel room rates if this were popular enough, and you could be priced out too.
Ed

Ain't that the truth - it is a double edged sword - by the way... you mention renting a place off site. You know of a good service? or does the Disboard do that kind of thing?

 

[Forevryoung]

Wow what a heated topic. Front of the line access because you spend 2 times as much as I do on vacation? I feel thats kind of like peers telling the kids in the free/reduced lunch programs at school "You should be served last because we pay more for our food". I agree that we are in the top 99% in terms of wealth. We should be talking about what we have instead of what we are entitled to. We have on our tables and a roof over our head. We have the ability to be college educated adults. We have the capability of connecting to millions of people instantaneously over the internet to argue about petty things like Fast Passes at a Disney amusement park.
May something like this always be the most trying part of your day,
-K

 

[Baloo]

Geez all these pages based on a "rumor" !

We have a board made for those rumors right here at the DIS.http://disboards.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=30&f=36

I'm closing this thread as it has run it's course and then some! OY!!