Fantasy policies - published (Sept now 4 nights)

[elopes23]

For sure it could be more confusing for the staff, but for the customers, it should be fine (unless you are on a b2b).

…which I am (9/4 & 9/11). Let’s not make this more confusing (or interesting) than it already is…

 

[kathi]

HA.. After seeing your response, I reread my post as being a pedantic jerk. That was not my intent. I am on the edge of my seat waiting for them to follow the Dream announcement with some Fantasy news!

Can I say I love that you used “pedantic” on a cruise message board!

 

[kathi]

I talked with my DW about this yesterday. Since the start I have basically said my belief was Disney would not require vaccines but if a port requires it then they would pass along that requirement.

The benefit Disney has is they could offer guests on both East and West cruises the option of moving 1 week in either direction to avoid certain protocols. They could put a vaccination requirement on East for 12+ and keep more to the Dream policies for the West.

If you would prefer to be on the other directional cruise you can swap to the other cruise to the category for $0.

No clue what they will do but the port stops has me interested in what they unveil (and hopefully we keep our 3 sea days which is why I like East over West).

That’s great except for all of the airfare and WDW tickets/resort reservations that are already made. So…not so great.

 

[sethschroeder]

That’s great except for all of the airfare and WDW tickets/resort reservations that are already made. So…not so great.

There is a chance you can't even go on the cruise. This is an alternative to let people still be able to go.

 

[Disneyland_emily]

I’ll wager after the cast get back from their test cruises

I think the 7 days present much more challenges both port wise and guest wise/testing etc plus it seems those cruises are significantly fuller than the Dreams (& for better or worse a different clientele that may or not be as flexible to adjustments as Dream cruisers)

so we shall see-

 

[orum]

I’ll wager after the cast get back from their test cruises

I think the 7 days present much more challenges both port wise and guest wise/testing etc plus it seems those cruises are significantly fuller than the Dreams (& for better or worse a different clientele that may or not be as flexible to adjustments as Dream cruisers)

so we shall see-

What is interesting is the Fantasy test cruises are a 3 night Nassau/Castaway Cay and a 4 night Western Caribbean to Cozumel on Aug 26/29, so they aren't doing a 7 day and are not going on an Eastern route.

 

[jrapps]

What is interesting is the Fantasy test cruises are a 3 night Nassau/Castaway Cay and a 4 night Western Caribbean to Cozumel on Aug 26/29, so they aren't doing a 7 day and are not going on an Eastern route.

Test cruises do not need to be the same length as their revenue cruises, nor go to the same ports. The only requirement is that they are a minimum of 2 nights, and that they go to every US port the ship docks at. The official test cruise can be a 2-night to the Bahamas and they can still do 7-night E/W Caribbean sailings.

 

[sethschroeder]

Test cruises do not need to be the same length as their revenue cruises, nor go to the same ports. The only requirement is that they are a minimum of 2 nights, and that they go to every US port the ship docks at. The official test cruise can be a 2-night to the Bahamas and they can still do 7-night E/W Caribbean sailings.

Which makes sense then why they would do shorter (so they can get in multiple cruises). Also the Dream did a 2 day test cruise right? So its not like Disney is directly matching this.

Is anyone ex-DCL that could answer:
Is there any major difference between a 3/4 vs 7 nights? I know the number of nights but what I mean is there things that you would do in port between cruises that now are required to be done at sea which pose a "challenge" that they would have to practice?

 

[Disneyland_emily]

Historically nope


I think the big ones now are 7 days seem to require onboard testing to return back to port least what ive seem from other lines

and there is much more risk for people who tested negative at embarkation to not test negative after 7 days vs 3-4 (especially if they don’t require testing) you get exposed on the plane to port you’ll test negative that day but not in 4-7 days when you’d be on your way home untested than in the middle of an ocean tested..

Plus 3/4 days are not port intensive so doing sea day+ Castaway days are fine but 7 days are port intensive and probably not able to get away with 3 castaway days 3 days at sea etc and it doesn’t seem (for good reason!) Ports want unvaccinated guests..

 

[n2mm]

I talked with my DW about this yesterday. Since the start I have basically said my belief was Disney would not require vaccines but if a port requires it then they would pass along that requirement.

The benefit Disney has is they could offer guests on both East and West cruises the option of moving 1 week in either direction to avoid certain protocols. They could put a vaccination requirement on East for 12+ and keep more to the Dream policies for the West.

If you would prefer to be on the other directional cruise you can swap to the other cruise to the category for $0.

No clue what they will do but the port stops has me interested in what they unveil (and hopefully we keep our 3 sea days which is why I like East over West).

I noticed Puerto Rico reported that unvaccinated passengers are not allowed off the ship. Often Puerto Rico is an alternate port on the eastern Caribbean cruise.

 

[sethschroeder]

I noticed Puerto Rico reported that unvaccinated passengers are not allowed off the ship. Often Puerto Rico is an alternate port on the eastern Caribbean cruise.

That could be a play. That would actually be amazing because DCL would likely run it like a sea day.

 

[sethschroeder]

I checked with Chat since it was an option right now and they had no timeline on when to expect an update. Didn't figure they would but figured I would ask anyways as you never know.

 

[skoi]

edit: wrong thread.

 

[Groucho]

Plus 3/4 days are not port intensive so doing sea day+ Castaway days are fine but 7 days are port intensive and probably not able to get away with 3 castaway days 3 days at sea etc and it doesn’t seem (for good reason!) Ports want unvaccinated guests..

Is that a mistype at the end? My understanding is that most ports want vaccinated guests, not unvaccinated.

I just saw the USVI requirements. We're booked on the Fantasy in mid-November and that was one of the stops. I would guess we'll be skipping that entirely, and either having a second day at Castaway or going to another island. The idea of DCL making the Eastern itinerary vaccinated-only is an interesting one - that would give the opportunity to potentially loosen some rules across the whole ship, which keeping the Western itinerary for the unvaxxed. It seems unlikely, but I suppose anything's possible.

 

[jrapps]

I was thinking more about the potential changes for vaccine requirements on this, and it occurred to me that I have been on more than one 7-day cruise that was diverted, or even changed from an East to West itinerary (or vice versa) to move away from hurricanes.

If DCL requires vaccines for East routes, they might also have to make it vaccine only for West routes, or this limits their ability to reschedule cruises.

 

[bunnm09]

Just saw that Carnival is reversing course and requiring masks indoor for all passengers ages 2+ starting 8/7

 

[jrapps]

NCL had their hearing today, and it will have implications for the Fantasy. The judge specifically asked FLs lawyer if Royal requiring vaccines for cruises to US Virgin Islands violated the law, and the answer was yes.

We may not see DCL officially give policies on Fantasy cruises until the judge rules on that case so they know if they can comply with USVI rules, or remove St. Thomas from the itinerary.

 

[orum]

NCL had their hearing today, and it will have implications for the Fantasy. The judge specifically asked FLs lawyer if Royal requiring vaccines for cruises to US Virgin Islands violated the law, and the answer was yes.

We may not see DCL officially give policies on Fantasy cruises until the judge rules on that case so they know if they can comply with USVI rules, or remove St. Thomas from the itinerary.

What do you think a typical timeline is for the first ruling on this?

 

[jrapps]

What do you think a typical timeline is for the first ruling on this?

The judge did indicate she would rule very soon and I am not a lawyer but in reading the tea leaves of the way the hearing went, she seems to be leaning towards granting the injunction. But that is just my personal conjecture.

I'm expecting we will see a ruling within the next few days. Maybe middle of next week?

 

[orum]

The judge did indicate she would rule very soon and I am not a lawyer but in reading the tea leaves of the way the hearing went, she seems to be leaning towards granting the injunction. But that is just my personal conjecture.

I'm expecting we will see a ruling within the next few days. Maybe middle of next week?

Sorry for the dumb question, but which way is this case set up(what does an injunction mean)? (I keep losing track of who is asking for what.)

Does an injunction mean NCL can't require vaccines to go to places that require vaccines? Or does it mean Florida has to allow them to require it if the foreign port requires it (like an airline would deny boarding based on destination requirements)?