Family problems!! Just need to VENT!

Banshee

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I posted yesterday about being sad about Father's day approaching I posted about my brother causing problems. My mom and dad were married 54 years when he passed and she is very strong, friends and family are impressed with how strong she has been.

But when my brother has started all this garbage and going back on things he promised my dad, it is just chipping away at her strength.:sad2: I am so afraid she is just going to snap. My brother was taking over my dads business (as I have taken over the farm, that is where my heart is) My fathers office and other buildings are on a corner of the farm, he is supposed to be paying my mom rent which would be part of her income.

Well, he hasnt paid a penny since my dad passed he sold farm equipment and never told us and put the money in his pocket.And money that the farm generates we found out has been paying for the landscaping at their home and making large payments on his wifes hummer!!!:eek: About a month after my dad passed my mom called my SIL who works in the office and told her "I am coming out tomorrow to clean out Roger's desk", my SIL say's "oh ok I will see you in the morning". Now my SIL is a princess: and she doesnt roll into the office until 10:00 or 10:30 my mom got a phone call the next day at 7:00 from my SIL "oh dont worry about coming out I cleaned out Roger's desk this morning!!!!!":eek: :headache: Then she say's "I am sending Jessie up with his things now". Well, my niece Jessie brings my mom a plastic shopping bag with some papers in it and that is it!!!! My dad was a pack rat he saved everything and he had a HUGE plantation desk with a million drawers in it I personally know that desk was crammed full. My SIL tell's my mom "oh it was a bunch of garbage I was saving you the trouble!":headache: She had no right to touch his things I feel it is part of the grieving process for her to be able to go through his drawers and touch his things cry laugh and smile and decide for herself what is garbage and what is not and my SIL took that away from her.:sad1:

My dad about a year before he passed traded in and bought all new farm equipment so my mom and I when he was gone wouldnt have to worry about the old stuff or having to buy new stuff right away. Well my brother about a month after my dad passed tells us he is going to service all the equipment in the big garage by my dads office. So he sends a bunch of guys over (this was before he turned) to take the tractors and plows, seeders, bailers, forks and the combine (which for anyone that know's what a combine is that is a big ticket item) and other equipment. this was in November which is when we normally do all the end of season maintenance. Well, January roll's around and he is starting to pull some fast ones that my mom and I are now noticing, so she asks him "when are you putting the equipment back in the equipment shed?" and he tell's her "it's not done yet!"

Now the equipment has been sitting out side for 2.5 months now in the yard by the garage I ride my horse along that back fence line a million times checking the fence and I know that the equipment hasnt moved since he took it in November. Then about a week after my mom asked him this, a family friend who also has a farm calls me and asks "Do you have the book or anything on this bailer?" And I said "excuse me? What are you doing with that bailer?" and he say's "your brother sold it to me, he said you guys arent doing anything with the farm anymore and you are selling all the equipment!" I said "WHAT???? I dont think so, that S head I cant believe he is doing this!!"

My dads dream had always been for the farm to go on for generations and come you know what or high water I am gonna make sure it does!!! My brother is making it very hard. My mom eventually got my dad's attorney and he ordered my brother to return the equipment and start paying the rent. My brother signed a real estate contract saying he would pay x amount for rent of the office garage and other out buildings. Well he brought the equipment back all but two tractors and his wife has been sending my mom checks here and there for 1/4 to 1/2 of the rent and my mom refuses them and sends them back, she wants the full amount.

What's funny though is that if he never pulled all this garbage she would have been fine with what ever they gave her for the rent! Well, yesterday really put the icing on the cake now that we are under way planting plowing doing what we do we need the other two tractors. So my mom calls him and say's "I need my two tractors and the two seeders you havent returned yet." And he says to her "well what am I gonna use to do my fields?" and she told him "go buy a tractor and what you need I need my stuff" to which he replied "I AM SO SICK OF THIS @@#$^$$#@$#^%$%*&%^*&^$%$&^*%^*& FU!" And he hangs up on her!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: Now my DH physically stopped me from getting in my truck and going out to the office and driving right through the front of it. He wants to talk to me or my DH that way fine but dont you ever talk to our mother that way!!! So now I told my mom dont even try to talk to him anymore we will call the attorney and tell him.

My DH and I went out last night to the yard by the office and garage (my brother does not live on the property) we were going to just hook up the seeders to the tractors and bring them back up and put them in the equipment shed. But my butt head brother put them in the gararge and locked all the doors. So now he will have to have the attorney tell him again to be a good boy and give back the equipment! I also told my mom to let the attorney know about the rent again. So this is where we are at. And for me the main thing is that my mom, none of us actually has had the time to grieve yet. :sad1: Sorry for the long post.:guilty:
 
I posted yesterday about being sad about Father's day approaching I posted about my brother causing problems. My mom and dad were married 54 years when he passed and she is very strong, friends and family are impressed with how strong she has been.

But when my brother has started all this garbage and going back on things he promised my dad, it is just chipping away at her strength.:sad2: I am so afraid she is just going to snap. My brother was taking over my dads business (as I have taken over the farm, that is where my heart is) My fathers office and other buildings are on a corner of the farm, he is supposed to be paying my mom rent which would be part of her income.

Well, he hasnt paid a penny since my dad passed he sold farm equipment and never told us and put the money in his pocket.And money that the farm generates we found out has been paying for the landscaping at their home and making large payments on his wifes hummer!!!:eek: About a month after my dad passed my mom called my SIL who works in the office and told her "I am coming out tomorrow to clean out Roger's desk", my SIL say's "oh ok I will see you in the morning". Now my SIL is a princess: and she doesnt roll into the office until 10:00 or 10:30 my mom got a phone call the next day at 7:00 from my SIL "oh dont worry about coming out I cleaned out Roger's desk this morning!!!!!":eek: :headache: Then she say's "I am sending Jessie up with his things now". Well, my niece Jessie brings my mom a plastic shopping bag with some papers in it and that is it!!!! My dad was a pack rat he saved everything and he had a HUGE plantation desk with a million drawers in it I personally know that desk was crammed full. My SIL tell's my mom "oh it was a bunch of garbage I was saving you the trouble!":headache: She had no right to touch his things I feel it is part of the grieving process for her to be able to go through his drawers and touch his things cry laugh and smile and decide for herself what is garbage and what is not and my SIL took that away from her.:sad1:

My dad about a year before he passed traded in and bought all new farm equipment so my mom and I when he was gone wouldnt have to worry about the old stuff or having to buy new stuff right away. Well my brother about a month after my dad passed tells us he is going to service all the equipment in the big garage by my dads office. So he sends a bunch of guys over (this was before he turned) to take the tractors and plows, seeders, bailers, forks and the combine (which for anyone that know's what a combine is that is a big ticket item) and other equipment. this was in November which is when we normally do all the end of season maintenance. Well, January roll's around and he is starting to pull some fast ones that my mom and I are now noticing, so she asks him "when are you putting the equipment back in the equipment shed?" and he tell's her "it's not done yet!"

Now the equipment has been sitting out side for 2.5 months now in the yard by the garage I ride my horse along that back fence line a million times checking the fence and I know that the equipment hasnt moved since he took it in November. Then about a week after my mom asked him this a family friend who also has a farm calls me and asks "Do you have the book or anything on this bailer?" And I said "excuse me? What are you doing with that bailer?" and he say's "your brother sold it to me, he said you guys arent doing anything with the farm anymore and you are selling all the equipment!" I said "WHAT???? I dont think so, that S head I cant believe he is doing this!!"

My dads dream had always been for the farm to go on for generations and come you know what or high water I am gonna make sure it does!!! My brother is making it very hard. My mom eventually got my dad's attorney and he ordered my brother to return the equipment and start paying the rent. My brother signed a real estate contract saying he would pay x amount for rent of the office garage and other out buildings. Well he brought the equipment back all but, two tractors and his wife has been sending my mom checks here and there for 1/4 to 1/2 of the rent and my mom refuses them and sends them back, she wants the full amount.

What's funny though is that if he never pulled all this garbage she would have been fine with what ever they gave her for the rent! Well, yesterday really put the icing on the cake now that we are under way planting plowing doing what we do we need the other two tractors. So my mom calls him and say's "I need my two tractors and the two seeders you havent returned yet." And he says to her "well what am I gonna use to do my fields?" and she told him "go buy a tractor and what you need I need my stuff" to which he replied "I AM SO SICK OF THIS @@#$^$$#@$#^%$%*&%^*&^$%$&^*%^*& FU!" And he hangs up on her!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: Now my DH physically stopped me from getting in my truck and going out to the office and driving right through the front of it. He wants to talk to me or my DH that way fine but dont you ever talk to our mother that way!!! So now I told my mom dont even try to talk to him anymore we will call the attorney and tell him.

My DH and I went out last night to the yard by the office and garage (my brother does not live on the property) we were going to just hook up the seeders to the tractors and bring them back up and put them in the equipment shed. But my butt head brother put them in the gararge and locked all the doors. So now he will have to have the attorney tell him again to be a good boy and give back the equipment! I also told my mom to let the attorney know about the rent again. So this is where we are at. And for me the main thing is that my mom, none of us actually has had the time to grieve yet. :sad1: Sorry for the long post.:guilty:

I broke up your post for you. :) Long posts with no paragraph breaks can be very difficult to read.
 

Try not to let you brother get the best of you. Go through the proper channels, eventually he'll get what he has coming to him. Good luck to you and your mom.
 
You poor thing! And your poor Mom! That's awful. Death can bring out the worst in some people (others' deaths...not their own). It stinks to have to involve the lawyer in every aspect. Are there any things that the lawyer can do? Evict your brother for not paying rent? Threaten to sue for the cost of the equipment? It sounds nasty to do, but at the same time, he's not being ethical and following your father's will.

We keep telling my in-laws to do a will (they're approaching 80), they've raised 5 biological kids, adopted my DH (grandson), and raised a niece (did not adopt). Things could get really messy if they don't do a will.
 
Try not to let you brother get the best of you. Go through the proper channels, eventually he'll get what he has coming to him. Good luck to you and your mom.


I know my dad used to always say "what comes around goes around" but it is hard and what is really distressing for her is that this is her son. She really feels alot of it is his wife. I agree but I also feel it is him too, he is a big boy he can tell wife no I am not doing this to my mom.
 
I don't have any good advice but wanted to give you a :hug: this morning. I am so sorry you and your mom are having to deal with this.

For the life of me I can't understand why family members feel entitled to do things like this. I don't know if I missed this in your post but it sounds like your brother is having financial troubles and your mom is suffering for it. Even if this is the case, there is NO excuse for him to steal from his family. I cannot imagine any circumstances that would make me act this way towards my sister when my mom passes away.

I'm glad she is cracking down and making him accountable. I'm sure that is very difficult for her and doubles her pain.

I hope things work out for your family soon. Keep us informed and we are here to lend you an ear anytime.
 
Well, I would call the sheriff to come along with a bolt cutter to get your tractor's and such out of his "locked garage".

Then I would evict him.

Then I would sue him for all back rent and any other money he owed.

Then I would have your brother and his wife/kids removed from the family will.

but that's just me...

HUGS to you! We don't get to choose our family unfortunately. My BIL is a butt-head too.
 
It stinks to have to involve the lawyer in every aspect. Are there any things that the lawyer can do? Evict your brother for not paying rent? Threaten to sue for the cost of the equipment?


My mom really does not want to do that but I fear that is the next step.:sad1:


We keep telling my in-laws to do a will (they're approaching 80), they've raised 5 biological kids, adopted my DH (grandson), and raised a niece (did not adopt). Things could get really messy if they don't do a will.

Yes try very hard to convince them to do a will.
 
I don't know if I missed this in your post but it sounds like your brother is having financial troubles and your mom is suffering for it.

We feel this is the issue too and he would rather drag her down to save himself. :sad1:
 
Well, I would call the sheriff to come along with a bolt cutter to get your tractor's and such out of his "locked garage".

Then I would evict him.

Then I would sue him for all back rent and any other money he owed.

Then I would have your brother and his wife/kids removed from the family will.

but that's just me...

HUGS to you! We don't get to choose our family unfortunately. My BIL is a butt-head too.


This is what I would like to do but my mom is really giving him a lot of chances to do the right thing. My DH gets very frustrated too and sometimes gets angry and says "why doesnt she just nail him to the wall?" All I can say is he is her child too.
 
If you are taking over the farm why does he have access to farm equipment?

You need to get a lawyer involved and the police today!
Can you get a restraining order or something?
Frankly he is stealing, embezzlement, fraud....I don't know?:confused3

Everyday you wait is another month to dig yourself out of this nightmare.
Time to put your dad's philosophy into action.:stir: :furious:

Good Luck!:hug:
 
:grouphug: To you and your mom.

What your brother is doing is reprehensible. Why would he treat you and your mother this way? I just don't understand. He should honor your fathers memory and be respectful of his wishes.

I'm really sorry that you are going through this. Do you think there is anyone who could speak to your brother, try to reason with him?

I think a lawyer might be the only way to go. Again, I'm really sorry that you are dealing with this.
 
If you are taking over the farm why does he have access to farm equipment?

You need to get a lawyer involved and the police today!
Can you get a restraining order or something?
Frankly he is stealing, embezzlement, fraud....I don't know?:confused3

Everyday you wait is another month to dig yourself out of this nightmare.
Time to put your dad's philosophy into action.:stir: :furious:

Good Luck!:hug:


He had access to the equipment because he has about 50 acres of fields that he plants with hay he always used my dads equipment, when it wasnt in use in my dads fields. After my dad passed we didnt see any reason to not keep going that way letting him use the equipment. A lawyer is involved now I wanted to call the police and see about a restraining order, but my mom doesnt want to take that step yet.
 
Oh man! You are living my worst nightmare!!

You are far more controled about things than I would be. I know when something happens to my parents I'm in for a fight of a life time. The other kids (the other 4) are just sitting around waiting to swoop in and get what is "theirs". A lot of it is taken care of, but they don't know that. So I know they will fight the will and it will get nasty!
 
:grouphug:

I'm really sorry that you are going through this. Do you think there is anyone who could speak to your brother, try to reason with him?



I tried speaking with him a couple times. The first time I talked to him I was so emotional it was about a week before my DD was born 7 weeks early. I blubbered like a baby in front of him and he stood like a stone. Then he and his wife start to tell friends and business associates and family that live out of state that My mom and I are losing it!
 
OP - My two cents...

First off, I am so sorry for all the grief and pain your brother is causing, both to your mom and to you. It takes two to tango and in this case, while your faaaaaaaaaabulous SIL might be part of the problem?, she is not the cause, your brother and his greed are.

Time to hire the best local bulldog attorney and scorch the earth. Time to get some legal judgements against your brother's actions. Time for your and your legal bulldog to hire a forensic accountant to do a full audit of the business' books. Time to get the legal authority to RECLAIM your property, so when someone shows up with bolt-cutters to get that garage door open, it will be the sheriff, not you. Your brother WILL NOT MESS with law enforcement.

He is robbing your children and your mother, he is going against his own father's dying wishes.

It is not just up to your mother, either...yes, he is her child, but she has ALREADY given him plenty of opportunity to see the error of his ways. She is ennabling him to steal from his own sister. If she can't get mad for herself, maybe she can get mad for what BD is doing to HER grandchildren and to YOU. By the way, what would your father do if he were still alive? Would he let Brother Dearest steal from your mom? Would he pay for SIL's fancy car? Would he allow your brother and his family to abuse everyone else's trust? Frankly, it sounds like you need to go see that attorney this morning and then have your mom come this afternoon to a second visit so the attorney can explain the legal ramifications of Brother Dearest's actions.

And if he can afford that ****ing HUMMER, he can certainly afford to do right.

agnes!
 


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