Fahrenheit 9/11 May Play in 159 Armed Forces Theaters

[Truth]

ABC News: From ABC's The Note:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/TheNote/TheNote.html

On the day "Fahrenheit 9/11" opens to more than 1,700 theaters across the
country, ABC News' Brian Hartman reports that the Army and Air Force
Exchange Service is in talks with Lions Gate to screen "Fahrenheit" to U.S.
service members around the world.

Lt. Col. Deborah Pressley tells Hartman that when given access to a print, the
AAFES plans to show the film in its 159 theaters — including one in Balad, Iraq.
The reason? Box office mojo, apparently: AAFES says it picks movies based on
popularity. Since "Fahrenheit" topped the civilian box office, AAFES plans to
show it to the troops, Hartman reports.

 

[wvrevy]

Anyone wanna take a bet that this does not end up happening ? I just can't see AAFES going through with this....

 

[cati]

Good, I bet there will be a few service men that will love to throw eggs at it!! Give them a good laugh.

 

[two4ruff]

AAFES is not exactly a source for military opinions.

The also showed "Gigli" in their theatres. Its about making money - not taste, freedom of speech or opinions.

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by cati
Good, I bet there will be a few service men that will love to throw eggs at it!! Give them a good laugh.

And suppose, just suppose the opposite happens. You do know this movie was showing in cities near American bases to sold out crowds, with no disruptions? What if the service men do not react the way you are predicting, will you dismiss their views as easily?

 

[two4ruff]

These are just civilian run theatres on military bases - service men are not forced to go to any movie. If they choose to view a movie, it's on their time and their expense.

Like anything else, if they don't have an interest in it, they probably won't go. I don't think the reaction will be any different than at any other civilian theatre.

 

[battricia]

Originally posted by cati
Good, I bet there will be a few service men that will love to throw eggs at it!! Give them a good laugh.

Just wondering when you propose they'll start the egg throwing? When the mom is telling michael moore about how she told her children if they want to make a good life for themselves they should join the military?

Or maybe they'll start throwing the eggs when the military men and women from iraq are telling their version of what's going on over there?

Or maybe when the mother I previously mentioned is reading the last letter her son will ever write her, because he died in iraq?


When would you start the egg throwing, cati?

tricia.

 

[JimB.]

Or maybe they'll start throwing the eggs when the military men and women from iraq are telling their version of what's going on over there?

Or maybe when the mother I previously mentioned is reading the last letter her son will ever write her, because he died in iraq?

And this is different from past conflicts.............. how??

People have ALWAYS died in service to their country. I came very close a couple of times myself. The "people on the ground" always have a better sense of what is happening than anyone else.

My question is this: Did MichealMoore try to find anyone that supports our role in Iraq or did he start this project to set out to smear the current administration & it's policies?

Having seen his intrusive, out of context, filmmaking in the past I choose not to see this one. He does not seek the truth. He seeks political & monetary gain at the expense of others, nothing else.

I think he still feels guilty about helping to get President Bush elected & is trying to make up for his alleged past deeds.

If it wasn't for a few thousand Floridians voting for Ralph Nader (whom MM supported vigourously) AlGore would be President.

Thanks Mike!!! Appreciate it!!

 

[cati]

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[battricia]

Originally posted by JimB.
And this is different from past conflicts.............. how??

People have ALWAYS died in service to their country. I came very close a couple of times myself. The "people on the ground" always have a better sense of what is happening than anyone else.

Oh so that would make it OK to throw eggs at it? My point was simply that if you WATCH the movie, whether you agree with it or not, whether you agree with Michael Moore or not, there are PEOPLE in this film, PEOPLE that have feelings and emotions over loved ones killed or deployed, Just like the rest of us, who AREN'T in the film. Would it ever be OK to throw eggs at someone going through this if it wasn't on film? Or say, it was on an episode of 20/20 instead of a michael moore film?

tricia.

 

[battricia]

Originally posted by cati


So, when will they start throwing the eggs, probably right after this...

Or maybe they'll start throwing the eggs when the military men and women from iraq are telling their version of what's going on over there?

Because I am speaking with parents, miltary people who ARE over there and what I am hearing is totally different.

Well cati, again, maybe if you SAW THE FILM, you'd be aware that the clips of the military over ON THE GROUND IN IRAQ were not making light of the situations over there, nor were they making it seem like we shouldn't be over there in any way, while this may be michael moore's stance, the people that are shown in the movie don't seem to follow that mentality.

But again, maybe if you SAW THE FILM FIRST before making random accusations and judgements on the film, your posts might actually make sense.

tricia.

 

[Eeyore1954]

Originally posted by battricia
But again, maybe if you SAW THE FILM FIRST before making random accusations and judgements on the film, your posts might actually make sense.

tricia.

I've always "loved" this argument, because it assumes that (1) a person cannot have an opinion unless they have actually experienced the item in question and/or (2) a person's opinion is invalid unless they have experienced the item in question.

Just a hypothetical to consider: I have an opinion about porn movies, that is I do not support them, don't like them, believe they are demeaning to the actors involved, promote violence toward women, etc. But the fact is I've never seen a porn movie, never gone to a porn theatre, never visited a porn shop. Is my opinion about porn any less valid than someone who has watched porn or visited a porn shop?

My point is that one doesn't have to spend money to see the film to have a valid opinion about it. I don't have to wallow in mud to know I'd get dirty if I did.

 

[battricia]

Originally posted by Eeyore1954
Is my opinion about porn any less valid than someone who has watched porn or visited a porn shop?

yes. If you ask me, your opinion of something like porn, or an opinion of a movie is a lot less valid if you haven't actually experienced it.


tricia.

 

[shortbun]

Really you guys, some the the service people interviewed in
Iraq were very positive about their duty there and what their
purpose was. You can certainly have an opinion without seeing the film but it doesn't carry any weight in an argument if it's simply based on your political views and not the actual film.
The woman who was in lots of the film was interviewed after her
son was killed and she makes many positive statements about
the military being a good job choice. The film was edited so you
didn't know that her son had been killed until late in the film, it
was a suprise to me that she was so positive about the military
knowing she had lost her first born recently. I kept wondering why MM had put her in because I knew his purpose- not something he had been secretive about - and I felt she was
not helping his cause. I felt the same way about some of the
Iraqi based military folks. On the other hand-some of them seemed pretty crazy and I wondered why they were not in the
brig or being discharged. Perhaps they were later.

As far as egging the film. Hopefully the military folks know that
they would have one less screen for other films and would show
the maturity and intelligence that we hope they have by simply
boycotting the film to begin with. The film really does not portray
military in a negative light except in one instance on Christmas Day or Eve. It's mostly about Bush and one doesn't have to love
W to be successful in the service.

 

[N.Bailey]

You can't be serious, especially about the porn analogy? As for MM's film, enough has come back to show that old Mike (as truth likes to call him) is up to his same tricks. He's the master of editing!

 

[N.Bailey]

Originally posted by battricia
Well cati, again, maybe if you SAW THE FILM, you'd be aware that the clips of the military over ON THE GROUND IN IRAQ were not making light of the situations over there, nor were they making it seem like we shouldn't be over there in any way, while this may be michael moore's stance, the people that are shown in the movie don't seem to follow that mentality.

But again, maybe if you SAW THE FILM FIRST before making random accusations and judgements on the film, your posts might actually make sense.

tricia.

Why on earth would I want to plop $6.00 (sorry for those of you who pay $8.00) down to watch a film that I have heard has been carefully edited (and we know this is Moore's biggest talent) to try to get me to change my mind about this, that, or the other? Or, if not to change my mind, at least to give me MOORE's prospective of it. I probably would NOT be able to show the instances where Moore purposely tries to manipulate the viewer and I for one am not willing to pay money to be manipulated and allow Moore to spew his propaganda my way.

That does not mean I do not sympathize with anyone who has lost a child.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by battricia
yes. If you ask me, your opinion of something like porn, or an opinion of a movie is a lot less valid if you haven't actually experienced it.


tricia.

How about child porn? Do I have to view it to have a valid opinion about it? How about particpate in it. Wouldn't that make me an expert? How about cocaine use? Do have to get strung out on drugs in order to have a valid opinion about it?

 

[battricia]

Originally posted by dmadman43
How about child porn? Do I have to view it to have a valid opinion about it? How about particpate in it. Wouldn't that make me an expert? How about cocaine use? Do have to get strung out on drugs in order to have a valid opinion about it?

While i'm not in the practice of arguing moot points, I will defend my statements;

Yes, if you were attempting to describe the actual EXPERIENCE of child porn, or cocaine, then you would have to know it to describe it, as cati was doing in her post. Specifically she said this:

Because I am speaking with parents, miltary people who ARE over there and what I am hearing is totally different.

I'm interested in knowing what is totally different than what she's hearing from the parents, military people she is speaking with? because the context of her post is that what she's hearing from her friends is totally differnt then what they said in the movie, and infact, she hasn't seen the movie, so how does she know that it's totally different? She's obviously assuming, because, as I said in the other post, most clips of the military people stationed in iraq were making positive comments on their time/efforts in iraq. So, I'm curious, is she hearing from the 'parents, military people' that their efforts in iraq are negative? Because she did say :

what I am hearing is totally different.

tricia.

 

[faithinkarma]

It occurs to me that after so many threads about this movie, the disagreement always seems to be between people who have seen it and people who have not. How many posts have there been by people who actually went to the movie who had negative things to say about it? Admittedly, I have been absent a lot lately, and have no doubt missed posts, but I can only recall one that criticized the movie. And that poster specifically said they dislike it so much they walked out early.

 

[two4ruff]

Yep, there is a thread dedicated to those who have seen the film and care to discuss it.

I responded to the original post - I just don't think it is as controversal decision as it is being made out to be to be shown in AAFES theatres. The thread seems to have taken a turn...