Extra Magic Hours Still Exist

I have. We used to travel during the "slower" seasons ... and the parks closed at 7. I remember one year it was aggravating because we had hoped to spend our evenings at the resort having dinner then let the kids swim a couple hours since it was plenty warm. Due to an unusual mosquito issue, all pools closed at dusk .......... so not one park was open past 7 and no pools were open.
Bottom line they can't keep cutting CMs and CM hours and still have the manpower to maintain these long hours.
The standard default times of MK are not 9-7. Otherwise anything is possible.

It sure is a shame Disney has fallen on such tough times that they can't afford to staff their parks. I always got the impression that Disney was a leader in the industry and knew how to take care of their customers and employees. OH how the mighty have fallen.
 
The standard default times of MK are not 9-7. Otherwise anything is possible.

It sure is a shame Disney has fallen on such tough times that they can't afford to staff their parks. I always got the impression that Disney was a leader in the industry and knew how to take care of their customers and employees. OH how the mighty have fallen.

Didn't used the word standard or default and clearly referred to another time when all the parks closed early.

Everyone has to place value on their vacation and dollar, then follow through. That is the only thing large corporations will hear.
 
Magic Kingdom scheduled - six months earlier - hours for January 11, 12, 13, 14, 26, 27, 28; February 2, 3; March 2, 3, 2016 were always 8 AM to 9 PM. Evening EMH have been two hours long since some time in 2012. There's nothing "special" about an 8-10 EMH compared to other nights when the park is open later, but two hours after the park c loses to the public is still two hours. As far as I know, MK,standard operating hours are 9-7.

I can't make sense of much of this at all. Are you really trying to argue that EMH have NOT been cut? The arguments and data have been clearly outlined. And I've never been to WDW when Magic Kingdom closed at 7:00 except for party days.

Didn't used the word standard or default and clearly referred to another time when all the parks closed early.

I think you lost a quote along the way...
 
To reel in costs I see them going the Universal route with hours being more limited year round.

I have been going to WDW less in recent years, and I think on my next trip to Orlando I will definitely be reeling in expenses by going the Universal route.
 

During Daylight Savings time, how in the world would Disney have nightly fireworks if the MK had standard operating hours ending at 7 PM?

Please stop trying to spin this in the direction you want it to go.
Daylight Savings, when it typically gets dark by 6 PM? I'm not trying to spin anything, hence the "as far as I know" disclaimer.
 
I can't make sense of much of this at all. Are you really trying to argue that EMH have NOT been cut? The arguments and data have been clearly outlined. And I've never been to WDW when Magic Kingdom closed at 7:00 except for party days.
Yes. Not creating or scheduling additional something isn't the cut people are claiming it to be. If last year there was one Jimmy Buffett concert scheduled at Fenway Park and then another one was added, and this year one Jimmy Buffett concert is scheduled at Fenway Park and another one isn't added, that doesn't mean the venue cut the number of concerts. It means they didn't add any.

If last April there were four morning EMH scheduled and then [nine] more were added, and this year five morning EMH are scheduled and more aren't added, that doesn't mean the venue cut the number of EMH. It means they didn't add any.
 
I can't make sense of much of this at all. Are you really trying to argue that EMH have NOT been cut? The arguments and data have been clearly outlined. And I've never been to WDW when Magic Kingdom closed at 7:00 except for party days.
I have. During the "slow" winter months MK was closed at 7PM.
 
The standard default times of MK are not 9-7. Otherwise anything is possible.

It sure is a shame Disney has fallen on such tough times that they can't afford to staff their parks. I always got the impression that Disney was a leader in the industry and knew how to take care of their customers and employees. OH how the mighty have fallen.

Disney is bleeding money in other business ventures, I believe, and is using the parks to fund those losses.
 
I have. During the "slow" winter months MK was closed at 7PM.
I get that. But I wouldn't call that normal or standard operating hours. I wouldn't even plan a trip to WDW if those were the hours. I've been to WDW quite a bit, I've never had a day when MK was closed before 10 (except for a party).

If this becomes the new normal. "Like universal", then WDW's problem of overcrowding and long lines just becomes worse.

They say they are doing all of this reduce to crowds. The only way that logic works is for them to drive away large numbers of people to reduce attendance. If they charge more and collect more with less staffing and overhead, then they can maintain their already healthy profit margins.

The only conclusion I see is that Disney is trying to convince a large number of people NOT to visit.

Or maybe they have sold enough DVC units to guarantee an attendance they can live with through 'contracted returners' and local APs. And they will just 'stick it to them' with the increased costs. Add in some first time visitors and the stalwart non-DVC fans and they have their 8 million unique guests they need each year to keep the place afloat.

Just watching the price increases in food the last day or so has made my head swim.

Prices are soaring, park hours diminished. The dynamics of going to WDW will definitely change. I'm a DVC owning, Disney crazy person that brings caravans of guests to WDW every year. These changes have caused my entire travel network of friends to stop planning, sit up and notice. Without protesting or whining or complaining to each other, we have quietly decided that WDW just isn't going to work this year (or next). We are moving to different options.

And I think that is exactly what Disney hoped for. So I think their plan might work.
 
Daylight Savings, when it typically gets dark by 6 PM? I'm not trying to spin anything, hence the "as far as I know" disclaimer.
Daylight Savings time *starts* in spring (this year in March), to extend the evening daylight time during the summer. It ends in November. It's light a lot later than 6pm right now and it is going to stay light later and later in the day until the summer solstice.
 
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Daylight Savings, when it typically gets dark by 6 PM? I'm not trying to spin anything, hence the "as far as I know" disclaimer.

Daylight savings is Spring, Summer, early Fall. I don't think it gets dark in Orlando at 6 PM between April and September.
 
Yes. Not creating or scheduling additional something isn't the cut people are claiming it to be. If last year there was one Jimmy Buffett concert scheduled at Fenway Park and then another one was added, and this year one Jimmy Buffett concert is scheduled at Fenway Park and another one isn't added, that doesn't mean the venue cut the number of concerts. It means they didn't add any.

This is not a very good example, those concerts at Fenway are special events, where ticket demand occasionally directly results in another show being added. I am no expert, but Easter week daily EMH sounds like something that has been offered every year, reflecting the typical heavy crowds going to WDW the weeks before/after Easter. There was no daily EMH this Easter despite the same heavy crowds as years past. Now that Easter has passed, the exact date when Disney used to add Easter daily EMH to the official schedule is also irrelevant.

If last April there were four morning EMH scheduled and then [nine] more were added, and this year five morning EMH are scheduled and more aren't added, that doesn't mean the venue cut the number of EMH. It means they didn't add any.

I don't know why you are referring to April morning EMH, the comparison was March/April since Easter moves around.

At this point I'm assuming that you must be trolling or have some agenda? If I give my 6yo nephews lollipops every time I see them, and then one day I don't, they know they are getting screwed. They are too smart to listen to any semantical argument about the "non-addition" of candy, or that my candy distribution is subject to change, or what specific date I actually told them they would receive a lollipop, or that it's just like ticket demand for Jimmy Buffett concerts. Bottom line is: no lollipop, which is not good.
 
Okay, I don't have a subscription, but they can only post what's been made public. It's not April yet. As posters have stated Disney even adds EMH while they're there, i.e. last minute. If there is a need to add EMH, they will - and sites like TouringPlans, Swindon.com, and easywdw will update their calendars
I thought that I made it very clear that the future dates are based on projections and that I will update what Touring Plans actually observes after the month is over. So yes, the end of the story has not yet been written. However, in analyzing the past 4 years, the only significant additions to EMHs have been around the Easter holiday. At all other times, EMHs have gone off like clockwork according to a predictable schedule. Since Easter has already passed, if past performance is any indicator, there will be no unscheduled additions in April 2016. And when you factor in that Disney opted not to add unscheduled EMHs around the Easter holiday when Touring Plans observed crowd levels of 9s and 10s, it seems inconceivable that Disney is going to spring any additional EMHs on us when the crowd levels at the MK are predicted to be in the 3-7 range for the entire month of April. We are going to be there when the next "big" wave of Spring Breaks occur later this month (when much of the Northeast, (or at least New England) have their vacations), and the crowd calendar is showing 4s and 5s for the MK. I have no expectation of any additional EMHs then. That said, I concede that the final chapter can only be written as past history, and I am going to do that. But if you are holding your breath in hopes that enough additional EMHs are bestowed upon the guests such that 2016 starts to look more like 2012 or 2013, you will be holding your breath until you are as blue as Stitch.

There's nothing "special" about an 8-10 EMH compared to other nights when the park is open later
This is why I have done an "apples to apples" comparison looking only at March/April from 2012 forward. These months are busy months that always include Easter and always include Spring Breaks. But since those events shift from year to year, it is proper to include in the analysis the entirety of that period, from 3/1-4/30. I did not include slower times when the parks close earlier. It may be 100% accurate that EMHs from 8:00-10:00 are not unusual in slower months. But I am looking only at the Easter/Spring Break slice. Since 2012, there has only been one time when EMHs ran from 8:00-10:00 and that was this year. So in looking at that slice of time, yes, it was unusual. Unprecedented, actually. If you would like to do a study that shows the evolution of EMHs in January, or September, or some other slow time when the MK closes at 7:00 or 8:00, you are welcome to do so. Get yourself a subscription to TP and look at the "What We Observed" data. It goes back a full decade and can be zoomed in to any day you want. But please don't try to import data from a slow day in January into my analysis of March/April. If this discussion is going to have any meaning at all, and the results are going to have any legitimacy, then we have to look at "like" data and not outliers.
 
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I get that. But I wouldn't call that normal or standard operating hours. I wouldn't even plan a trip to WDW if those were the hours. I've been to WDW quite a bit, I've never had a day when MK was closed before 10 (except for a party)
Plenty of days MK closes at 9; several days this year they scheduled and ultimate closing was 8; yes, the base operating hours are 9 AM to 7 PM.
Or maybe they have sold enough DVC units to guarantee an attendance
Revenue maybe, but many DVC guests don't visit parks.
This is not a very good example, those concerts at Fenway are special events, where ticket demand occasionally directly results in another show being added. I am no expert, but Easter week daily EMH sounds like something that has been offered every year, reflecting the typical heavy crowds going to WDW the weeks before/after Easter. There was no daily EMH this Easter despite the same heavy crowds as years past. Now that Easter has passed, the exact date when Disney used to add Easter daily EMH to the official schedule is also irrelevant.
I agree it's not a good example - but as far as I know, not having been to either in years, Six Flags and Canobie Lake don't extend hours or add days or anything comparable.
I don't know why you are referring to April morning EMH, the comparison was March/April since Easter moves around.
Until JimmyV researched his detailed analysis, everybody has focused on AprilAprilApril.

Oh, the lollipops isn't a good example either. There is still the same weekly EMH there's always been. And even a six year old can understand the lollipop store was closed, or you didn't have enough time this time, or you ran out of money.
 
Daylight Savings, when it typically gets dark by 6 PM? I'm not trying to spin anything, hence the "as far as I know" disclaimer.
I don't know where you live, but I live in the central time zone. It sure isn't dark here by 6pm, so I KNOW it isn't dark by 7pm in Orlando. Daylight Savings just started and doesn't end until November.
 
I thought that I made it very clear that the future dates are based on projections and that I will update what Touring Plans actually observes after the month is over.


You did.
 
At this point I'm assuming that you must be trolling or have some agenda? If I give my 6yo nephews lollipops every time I see them, and then one day I don't, they know they are getting screwed. They are too smart to listen to any semantical argument about the "non-addition" of candy, or that my candy distribution is subject to change, or what specific date I actually told them they would receive a lollipop, or that it's just like ticket demand for Jimmy Buffett concerts. Bottom line is: no lollipop, which is not good.

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yes, the base operating hours are 9 AM to 7 PM.

That is NOT a factual statement. Base operating hours do not end during daytime hours when the park's two signature events require it to be dark outside. I'm not sure how that can be viewed any other way.
 
I get that. But I wouldn't call that normal or standard operating hours. I wouldn't even plan a trip to WDW if those were the hours. I've been to WDW quite a bit, I've never had a day when MK was closed before 10 (except for a party).

If this becomes the new normal. "Like universal", then WDW's problem of overcrowding and long lines just becomes worse.

They say they are doing all of this reduce to crowds. The only way that logic works is for them to drive away large numbers of people to reduce attendance. If they charge more and collect more with less staffing and overhead, then they can maintain their already healthy profit margins.

The only conclusion I see is that Disney is trying to convince a large number of people NOT to visit.

Or maybe they have sold enough DVC units to guarantee an attendance they can live with through 'contracted returners' and local APs. And they will just 'stick it to them' with the increased costs. Add in some first time visitors and the stalwart non-DVC fans and they have their 8 million unique guests they need each year to keep the place afloat.

Just watching the price increases in food the last day or so has made my head swim.

Prices are soaring, park hours diminished. The dynamics of going to WDW will definitely change. I'm a DVC owning, Disney crazy person that brings caravans of guests to WDW every year. These changes have caused my entire travel network of friends to stop planning, sit up and notice. Without protesting or whining or complaining to each other, we have quietly decided that WDW just isn't going to work this year (or next). We are moving to different options.

And I think that is exactly what Disney hoped for. So I think their plan might work.
I always went during that time frame, the hours were "normal" for me. I understand they are not "normal" for most seasons. I was simply adding trying to point out that while you may not have been familiar with these hours they were in place.

I know that a lot of people would never plan for that season, but that does not negate that there were altered hours during what used to be slower seasons.
 



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