Explosions and shootings in Paris

[IceSkatingPrincess]

My thoughts and prayers are with everyone inside and outside Paris impacted by these horrific attacks. What a terrible situation.

 

[chmurf]

Authorities have asked that people in paris remain at home or at work and avoid going outside unless there is an absolute necessity

I would think they have security like they do at wdw. Would be too much hassle to try and get into something like that.

You'd be shocked ...

 

[JimMIA]

I know all of Boston stands with France

Boston Strong! Miami Strong!

Anybody else in?

 

[CPanther95]

I'm glad to see that the French promptly assaulted the concert hall when the terrorists started executing hostages. There really isn't any alternative, but they were apparently well-prepared for that eventuality. Anyone who got out of there owes their lives to those brave police officers.

There's no good alternative tactically, or politically. If you allow a hostage crisis to linger beyond the initial attacks - like until tomorrow morning - any deaths that ultimately result will cause people to second guess their actions no matter what they chose to do. A prompt assault assigns the death toll that results - rightfully - to the terrorists themselves as part of the overall attack.

 

[IndyRnRfan]

I'm not a big Fox News fan but I love that to what I've seen they are the only ones who didn't have a correspondent say killed they actually said "murdered". Kudos for that.

My wife just said the same thing.

 

[lynxstch]

Boston Strong! Miami Strong!

Anybody else in?

Western MD Strong!

 

[IndyRnRfan]

Boston Strong! Miami Strong!

Anybody else in?

Western MD Strong!

Indiana strong. Hang in there France. This tragedy will make you stronger than you are already.

On a side note, I think it just hit my wife. She's been upset since hearing about the attacks but now crying since they just released an updated death toll of 158. She's saying it's happening all over again.

 

[BadPinkTink]

Eurostar train from UK to France operating Saturday 14 November as normal BUT they are offering free exchanges if any one wants to change their travel plans. They are saying to expect delays

SKY NEWS reporting all members of the band Engels of Death Metal who were playing at Paris Bataclan have been accounted for BUT some of their crew /backstage personnel have not been accounted for

 

[lynxstch]

Indiana strong. Hang in there France. This tragedy will make you stronger than you are already.

On a side note, I think it just hit my wife. She's been upset since hearing about the attacks but now crying since they just released an updated death toll of 158. She's saying it's happening all over again.

I am with your wife. We had a major power outage here just before dinner, and the power just came on, and we are just now seeing and hearing about all that happened, and I have been in tears over it. Its bringing back memories of 9/11 and the Boston Bombings to me all over again. (I am originally from Western MA). There are just too many horrible things happening in the world today

 

[MickeySP]

Eurostar train from UK to France operating Saturday 14 November as normal BUT they are offering free exchanges if any one wants to change their travel plans. They are saying to expect delays

SKY NEWS reporting all members of the band Engels of Death Metal who were playing at Paris Bataclan have been accounted for BUT some of their crew /backstage personnel have not been accounted for

Hopefully they will be ok. Knowing my DS's step kids are the age that would be there just makes me weep.

 

[JimMIA]

There's no good alternative tactically, or politically. If you allow a hostage crisis to linger beyond the initial attacks - like until tomorrow morning - any deaths that ultimately result will cause people to second guess their actions no matter what they chose to do. A prompt assault assigns the death toll that results - rightfully - to the terrorists themselves as part of the overall attack.

With all due respect -- as one who has "been there, done that" -- you're incorrect. Politics has nothing to do with the decision process unless the police commanders on-scene are spineless political pawns.

The issue in a situation like this is whether the situation is controllable or not. As long as the situation is controllable, the longer the thing drags out the more likely a positive outcome. It is possible to talk even crazy people out of crazy actions. Some of these situations have taken several days to resolve successfully.

But if the bad guys start shooting people (which they did), or try to leave, all bets are off. The situation is then out of control and you go in with everything you have.

The blood is always on the bad guys' hands -- NEVER on the hands of the authorities...unless they are unprepared, spineless, or incompetent.

 

[BadPinkTink]

SKY NEWS reporting 5 attackers have been confirmed dead, no group has claimed responsibility, there is no confirmation that it was ISIS or Syrians

 

[CPanther95]

The blood is always on the bad guys' hands -- NEVER on the hands of the authorities...unless they are unprepared, spineless, or incompetent.

In a perfect world, that's how people should look at it. But in the real world, it doesn't happen that way.

 

[Tiffylv]

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[BadPinkTink]

Thank you so much for these updates. I hear it from you faster than I hear on the news here.

you can watch Sky News online, and see what Im am seeing www.sky.com/news

 

[manning]

How could this happen? Don't they have strict gun control in France?

Gun control or no gun control it happened. All they have to do is make ISIS law abiding.

 

[MickeySP]

With all due respect -- as one who has "been there, done that" -- you're incorrect. Politics has nothing to do with the decision process unless the police commanders on-scene are spineless political pawns.

The issue in a situation like this is whether the situation is controllable or not. As long as the situation is controllable, the longer the thing drags out the more likely a positive outcome. It is possible to talk even crazy people out of crazy actions. Some of these situations have taken several days to resolve successfully.

But if the bad guys start shooting people (which they did), or try to leave, all bets are off. The situation is then out of control and you go in with everything you have.

The blood is always on the bad guys' hands -- NEVER on the hands of the authorities...unless they are unprepared, spineless, or incompetent.

ITA politics does leave the equation. But disagree on the time element. This is not a "normal" hostage scenario. Imagine they have multiple targets lying on the ground, the are systematically walking and double tapping. Which is what is seems is this, expedience may be your best outcome. There is sometimes no negotiating.
You have to do what you think will save the most.

 

[MickeySP]

Gun control or no gun control it happened. All they have to do is make ISIS law abiding.

Againt this isn't a random dude bringing a guy in, this is a highly organized, trained, prepared military organization. Just because we call them terrorist doesn't mean they aren't organized & trained.

 

[anniemae]

Indiana strong. Hang in there France. This tragedy will make you stronger than you are already.

On a side note, I think it just hit my wife. She's been upset since hearing about the attacks but now crying since they just released an updated death toll of 158. She's saying it's happening all over again.

My thoughts too.

 

[chmurf]

A terrorist who opened fire at diners sitting at a restaurant, killing 18, possibly on the run