Expiration year -- how is it going to work

BlueGreen5

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Hi all. I have been curious about something and could not easily find an answer via the 'search' tool here. Thinking lately about adding on at a 2042 expiry resort, which we swore we would never do (happy to chat offline about why we are considering doing this as a hedge, if you are curious).

We all know Beach Club - for example - expires in 2042. But, what happens in 2042? And I don't mean with the contract, per se. Presumably (though, to be clear for others who may be reading this in a different context, not definitively), that is just going to expire and become no more valuable than a piece of scratch paper.

I mean it in this sense: let's say my UY is December. On December 1, 2042, am I getting my annual allocation of points to use until November 30, 2043? Can I bank them? Is your answer to these questions - whatever they may be - speculative or is it certain?
 
Hi all. I have been curious about something and could not easily find an answer via the 'search' tool here. Thinking lately about adding on at a 2042 expiry resort, which we swore we would never do (happy to chat offline about why we are considering doing this as a hedge, if you are curious).

We all know Beach Club - for example - expires in 2042. But, what happens in 2042? And I don't mean with the contract, per se. Presumably (though, to be clear for others who may be reading this in a different context, not definitively), that is just going to expire and become no more valuable than a piece of scratch paper.

I mean it in this sense: let's say my UY is December. On December 1, 2042, am I getting my annual allocation of points to use until November 30, 2043? Can I bank them? Is your answer to these questions - whatever they may be - speculative or is it certain?
The answer is that nobody knows and the people who will make that decision probably don’t even work for Disney right now.
 
I mean it in this sense: let's say my UY is December. On December 1, 2042, am I getting my annual allocation of points to use until November 30, 2043? Can I bank them? Is your answer to these questions - whatever they may be - speculative or is it certain?

I believe 2041 is the last year you will get points. So Dec 2041 would be the last points disbursed. The contracts end Jan 31, 2042, so there will be no FEB or any other UY disbursements for 2042. Then again, no one knows what will happen.
 

On December 1, 2042, am I getting my annual allocation of points to use until November 30, 2043? Can I bank them? Is your answer to these questions - whatever they may be - speculative or is it certain?
I would assume that (a) you will have two months to use them and (b) you cannot bank them. Anything else that happens is strictly more flexible, so you cannot be disappointed.

And this isn't even speculative. It is "Plan for the worst, hope for the best."

It is also one of the times when I am grateful that I happen to have a Feb UY. For me, years are just years.
 
I would assume that (a) you will have two months to use them and (b) you cannot bank them. Anything else that happens is strictly more flexible, so you cannot be disappointed.

Guess that means party is in the Grand Villa on NYE if I pull the trigger...

The answer is that nobody knows and the people who will make that decision probably don’t even work for Disney right now.

I am just shocked that something this mechanical is not clear in the contract - am I buying points that can be used in all of 2042, in 2043, or what?! That affects me right now and should not be something owners have to wait and see. I understand not having answers about whether there will be any extensions or incentives or what may happen to the resort in the future relative to others. But, if I buy a 5-pack of car washes from the gas station, I don't need to wait until I have used my 4th to find out if my 5th will be valid (I am going to get a car wash at lunch haha)...
 
It is in the contract.

But certain details are subject to change, as allowed in the contract.

Edited to add, they changed the contract for OKW, which was a spectacular train wreck. I'm willing to bet that they won't attempt that again.
 
Guess that means party is in the Grand Villa on NYE if I pull the trigger...



I am just shocked that something this mechanical is not clear in the contract - am I buying points that can be used in all of 2042, in 2043, or what?! That affects me right now and should not be something owners have to wait and see. I understand not having answers about whether there will be any extensions or incentives or what may happen to the resort in the future relative to others. But, if I buy a 5-pack of car washes from the gas station, I don't need to wait until I have used my 4th to find out if my 5th will be valid (I am going to get a car wash at lunch haha)...
But if the car wash pack that you buy has an expiration date in writing… it doesn’t matter how many of them you have already used….
 
The expiration date is January 31, 2042. On Feb 1, Disney will own the resort. No points can be used unless things change.

DVC may restrict banking and borrowing in the years prior to expiration.

Thanks, that's the clearest answer I have received yet. Which then makes sense why @Brian Noble is suggesting to read that literally and assume that I would get my points on December 1, 2041 and then have to use them before the contract expires two months later. Sure, maybe they'll change it to be a kinder, softer landing, but there's no reason to expect them to do so. I think I got it.
 
Guess that means party is in the Grand Villa on NYE if I pull the trigger...



I am just shocked that something this mechanical is not clear in the contract - am I buying points that can be used in all of 2042, in 2043, or what?! That affects me right now and should not be something owners have to wait and see. I understand not having answers about whether there will be any extensions or incentives or what may happen to the resort in the future relative to others. But, if I buy a 5-pack of car washes from the gas station, I don't need to wait until I have used my 4th to find out if my 5th will be valid (I am going to get a car wash at lunch haha)...

It is clear. The resort ceases to exist January 31st, 2042. So last set of points will be 2041 UY.

Your ownership ends that date. What we don’t know is what potential rules DVC will put in place during that last few years that helps owners use up all the points.

Some things they could do…increase home resort priority so owners have longer to book before others can trade in…put limits on banking and borrowing…change UY in 2041 so all points are Feb UY, and I am sure other things none of us, including DVC, have thought of to do.
 
I am just shocked that something this mechanical is not clear in the contract
I think it is clear. The land lease terminates on January 31st, 2024. After that point, the resort ceases to exist in its current form. And, you are not buying points. You are buying a fractional interest in that land-lease; the points are representative of your ownership and have no value on their own.

If the resort no longer exists, you no longer own a fractional interest in it, and any points that you have not used are gone, because there is no ownership to represent.

Will Disney do something to smooth the transition? Maybe. Do they have to? I don't think so.

As always, I am not a lawyer, nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn last night.
 
If the Contract expires on Jan 31 2042 one will receive the 2041 points which will need to be used by or on January 31 2042. Use years were sold on the month you will vacation meaning most will vacation in the month of the use year so there should be no leftover points. In other words most use the points in the month received.
The dates are in the contracts and simply put this is the end date. If Disney will extend any grace period is TBD but by no means do they have to so plan accordingly. What Disney will do with resort is the better question. I would think they will continue DVC if there is still interest and could easily sell points for Beach Club as new prior to the end date with a Different end date for any contracts they ROFR.
Lets all face the facts Disney is NOT going to do anything without $$$ involved no need to take an extension route they will just sell the contracts with a later date as they did with OKW - don't forget DVC was and is selling the ROFR OKW contracts with the later date. This is well overlooked and only the option to extend is remembered as it was a mess but selling with a later date was not.... This is in fact the only thing I can see DVC doing if they intend to keep BC and the other 2042s as a DVC resort without crashing the entire resale market and maybe hurting their direct price as well. there are a few things in play here and this will determine the future expirations:
Buyers will have less resort choice if DVC just lets resorts close, choice is a huge consideration for any timeshare. We see this with Riv and how it affected both direct and resale. I will add however this all every contract promises but never enforced like with Riv. Yes there is other resort resale buyer to see how pulling a resort our of DVC will affect resale prices maybe? Is this a strong selling point for DVC direct? although I do not think this is related to expiration more of a future way to extract $ from DVC buyers.
Simple math there is a point paying 100 or whatever the price for 2042 contact coming soon adding the dues the buyer receives no benefit over paying cash meaning neither DVC nor a current contract holder can sell the points. Another downside in many ways from future buyers saying X years from expiration I am stuck.... To why pay my dues when I no longer want to go in the last years DVC will just take the points back. Will DVC maintain the resort if this happens being there is a loss - yes there are fall backs for Disney to sell cash but no one knows what the details are or if there is a limit.
I could go on with a long list but in the end it would all be bad if DVC does not start selling at least some of the resorts with a new expiration date. In the end the only ones hurt are those who currently hold the contracts which will is easily over looked by a buyer and hey they offered the current holders 20 off a point which the new buyer would love to have and see as a good thing... That is 3K off a 150 point contract...... and DVC goes on as it is now.
Don't in any way Discount what DVC has learned and did with Riv as this has NOT been done with any others that have opened after... Disneyland Hotel, The Cabins, Poly tower... Lakeshore lodge is the only unknown right now.
 
In 2042, the only points to use are whatever you got left from 2041 for those resorts at the end of their 2042 term.

I'm interested to know OP's philosophy on buying the 2042 resorts. Today, I would expect it's because OP wants to buy where they want to stay and there are a lot of years and stays to book between now and 2042. I wonder what is the most likely year when a buyer decides there are not enough years left in the contract term to buy a resale contract at a 2042 resort....
 
I am just shocked that something this mechanical is not clear in the contract - am I buying points that can be used in all of 2042, in 2043, or what?! That affects me right now and should not be something owners have to wait and see. I understand not having answers about whether there will be any extensions or incentives or what may happen to the resort in the future relative to others. But, if I buy a 5-pack of car washes from the gas station, I don't need to wait until I have used my 4th to find out if my 5th will be valid (I am going to get a car wash at lunch haha)...
Yes as stated no 2043 booking, maybe not even any real 2042 booking. Best case is to probably borrow them and use them prior to any issues, but I’m sure when we get closer like within a few years (3-5) they will have an outline and defined plan set for all the 2042 points expiring.

Thanks, that's the clearest answer I have received yet. Which then makes sense why @Brian Noble is suggesting to read that literally and assume that I would get my points on December 1, 2041 and then have to use them before the contract expires two months later. Sure, maybe they'll change it to be a kinder, softer landing, but there's no reason to expect them to do so. I think I got it.
I’d be surprised if they cut everyone off end of Jan 2042, but I would think you’d have to have something booked by then.

I'm interested to know OP's philosophy on buying the 2042 resorts. Today, I would expect it's because OP wants to buy where they want to stay and there are a lot of years and stays to book between now and 2042. I wonder what is the most likely year when a buyer decides there are not enough years left in the contract term to buy a resale contract at a 2042 resort....
Me too!!
I’m thinking the thought process might be having some sort of great incentive as an owner to whatever they do beyond 2042 with that location. I have thought about that as well, I’m sure they will want people to roll over into something else before it actually expires.
 
I’m thinking the thought process might be having some sort of great incentive as an owner to whatever they do beyond 2042 with that location. I have thought about that as well, I’m sure they will want people to roll over into something else before it actually expires.

If today was 2039, I will guess the market value of a 2042 property resale contract would be close to zero in the absence of some incentive from DVD to current or prospective resale owners of those properties. I wonder if DVD cares about resale market value of imminently expiring resorts? Shouldn't they? The ROFR monster eats today because they do care in 2025, but I wonder how that changes as time approaches termination of the contracts.... especially if no incentives offered to 2042 owners.
 
Are there other big timeshares like DVC that don't go on forever and have an actual expiration? Or is DVC unique that way. Wondering if there's examples out there already.
 
Are there other big timeshares like DVC that don't go on forever and have an actual expiration? Or is DVC unique that way. Wondering if there's examples out there already.
I don't know of any similar. There are vacation clubs that people can buy for say 40 years. There is no deeded home resort for those. It's a group of resorts/cruises/etc
 



















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