Evolution vs Creation

[LuvOrlando]

I believe that the Bible is the Word of God and is to be taken literally except where it is made clear that it is a parable or story. I believe that God created the world in six days and rested on the seventh. If science shows that the world seems older then I believe that God created the world with age. I don't need science to explain it to me, I believe that God will explain it to me when I get to Heaven if I ask Him.

I believe the story of the Tower of Babel is true and that is where all the different languages and nationalities came from. I also believe the story of Noah and the flood is true. If my God can speak this world into existence then I have to believe that he can also destroy it by a worldwide flood and that he can lead a believer to build a boat to save his family and two animals of every kind. How they became dispersed all over the globe in the way they did after the flood I don't know. But again, I can ask God when I get to Heaven.

I'm not sure what happened to the dinosaurs, but I believe that most likely they coudln't survive in the changed world after the flood and died off for the most part. I can ask God about that one too when I get to Heaven.

To some of you my blind faith in a God I can't see and things I can't necessarily prove by science or even that contradict science may seem silly. But to me that's faith. That is what God asks of me. And though I cannot physically see Him yet, I have felt Him work in my life and my heart. I felt His love and I have watched Him work in other people's lives. Its much easier for me to believe in an all powerful God that created us and loves us, than we all ended up here by chance and will one day just die and that's it.

I think you have every right to your beliefs. I do not think you are silly. But the truth is your Faith in God does co-mingle with humans as it is humans that print the Bibles we read and humans that lead us in Sunday services. So, we are all choosing which humans we are willing to trust and de-selecting others as we go through life.

This trust is perfectly normal and necessary, but it can be dangerous if we are unaware of the transference of trust from God or science to man. Trust in God should not transfer to all humans who SAY they are 'of God' and trust in science should not transfer to all who say they are 'of science'.

Humans lie

 

[LuvOrlando]

Did I say I had to trust anyone?



Really? I have. And I do know that people on the DIS do change their minds regarding some issues when debated here. It happens. Why not debate it, especially for the benefit of those lurking here who may be on the fence?

Flag on the field. Argumentative. You just lost me as a listener.

 

[Spidey7]

That's covered by stuff like the Big Bang Theory.

No its not. Where did the stuff come from that "banged" "exploded" in the first place? The matter that ended up into the earth, us, plants etc., from the "big bang" "explosion" wasn't CREATED by the explosion, the matter had to have come from something, The Big Bang theory is laughable to me.

Science teaches us that matter cannot be destroyed, so it had to have had a beginning or explanation of why it was there. Just saying that it all came from a giant explosion to me is completely grasping at straws IMO to say the least.

What caused the explosion? Where did the energy come from that caused the explosion?

 

[Laura]

Flag on the field. Argumentative. You just lost me as a listener.

Okay, then. I think I can see why you leave debates without changing your mind.

 

[LuvOrlando]

Okay, then. I think I can see why you leave debates without changing your mind.

Well, I can also see why you leave debates thinking you made your point.

Ba bye

 

[Sir Ron]

The Bible was formed by humans. To say the bible has not ever been manipulated by human hands is quite false. King James changed things in the bible. One must always remember that God might have communicated things to people, but some things have been miscontrued through translations and some things were intentionally manipulated.

 

[ford family]

To me its a trust issue.

Like it or not, none of us have done ALL the research ourselves in either direction. When I hear people ranting about this stuff (both sides) they are really doing nothing more than regurgitating a lifetime of information someone else told them. As a result, when we make a choice about which side to believe we are willfully CHOOSING to believe either Scientists or certain Religious leaders (I say certain because some Faiths do not see a conflict between Religion and Science... mine being one of them).

So it boils down to who you trust. Do you trust the Scientific Community or do you trust your Religious leaders? God himself allowed for the creation of both ideas and since free will is His greatest gift to us I believe it is wrong for one side to try and dominate the other.

Besides, no matter what side you sit on, the reality is that just because someone SAYS something is true doesn't actually change whether or not it is true and visa versa. Why bother convincing someone who doesn't agree with you when their opinion does not change reality.... I just don't get it

Not so.
We have the evidence of our own eyes that the creation myth is just that, a myth, and that all religions are created by man for a myriad of reasons.

ford family

 

[Laura]

Well, I can also see why you leave debates thinking you made your point.

Ba bye

Now who's being argumentative? Seriously. I'm confused.

 

[kt_mom]

The Bible was formed by humans. To say the bible has not ever been manipulated by human hands is quite false. King James changed things in the bible. One must always remember that God might have communicated things to people, but some things have been miscontrued through translations and some things were intentionally manipulated.

Well, I guess that's where my faith comes in. I believe that my God is allpowerful and capable of leading chosen men to write His word, the way He wanted it, and I also believe that my God who is capable of creating the world and destroying it with a flood, is also capable of making sure that the Bible is translated through the generations they way He wanted it to be. I believe by faith.

And I'm not trying to argue with anyone. Its just what I believe. I don't need science or proof to believe it, I just do. I think though, and I'm lacking in this, that it helps to know about the science end of it and be able to participate in that part of these types of discussions. I think that is what God would want us to do. But I believe that he wants us to believe by faith, not by science.

 

[Laura]

No its not. Where did the stuff come from that "banged" "exploded" in the first place? The matter that ended up into the earth, us, plants etc., from the "big bang" "explosion" wasn't CREATED by the explosion, the matter had to have come from something, The Big Bang theory is laughable to me.

Science teaches us that matter cannot be destroyed, so it had to have had a beginning or explanation of why it was there. Just saying that it all came from a giant explosion to me is completely grasping at straws IMO to say the least.

What caused the explosion? Where did the energy come from that caused the explosion?

Sorry, is this supposed to be covered in the Theory of Evolution? We're talking origin of the species, not the origin of matter. There are several other theories, like Steady State. Big Bang just says matter won out over antimatter thanks to baryogenesis.

Debunking the Theory of Evolution because we don't know how matter originated is pretty similar to debunking the whole Bible because it isn't a full historical record.

 

[yearbook50]

The Bible was formed by humans. To say the bible has not ever been manipulated by human hands is quite false. King James changed things in the bible. One must always remember that God might have communicated things to people, but some things have been miscontrued through translations and some things were intentionally manipulated.

I feel it is sad that we have lost so many of the originals of many ancient texts. As the originals could be translated more literally nowadays rather than us translating translations of other translations. I have read there were more gospels that were originally in the new testiment but the Church deemded them to not be proper enough for the New Testiment. Some of the scrolls are being found in the deserts now. Discovery Channel had a good mini-series on this subject.

 

[ford family]

No its not. Where did the stuff come from that "banged" "exploded" in the first place? The matter that ended up into the earth, us, plants etc., from the "big bang" "explosion" wasn't CREATED by the explosion, the matter had to have come from something, The Big Bang theory is laughable to me.
Science teaches us that matter cannot be destroyed, so it had to have had a beginning or explanation of why it was there. Just saying that it all came from a giant explosion to me is completely grasping at straws IMO to say the least.

What caused the explosion? Where did the energy come from that caused the explosion?

More or less laughable than working out where your God came from?

ford family

 

[Fitswimmer]

Did I say I had to trust anyone?



Really? I have. And I do know that people on the DIS do change their minds regarding some issues when debated here. It happens. Why not debate it, especially for the benefit of those lurking here who may be on the fence?

I've had my opinions changed about things because of something another poster said that made me dig deeper into a subject, or because of a link someone posted that showed me facts that I wasn't aware of. However, you've got to be willing to admit that your own knowledge is not absolute and that you just might be wrong or misinformed about something. That's not something that's easy to do-trust me.

Healthy debate and discussion is what this board is supposed to be about, right?

 

[Christine]

But I believe that he wants us to believe by faith, not by science.

With that line of thinking, it sounds as if you believe science is an evil force and against God. Can you not believe that God empowered us with knowledge to learn how the Earth progressed and how we came about in this world?

I guess it's a matter of deciding whether to view knowledge as a good thing or a bad thing. Those that want to control you (other humans) would have you believe that knowledge in the form of science is bad. I happen to think that the knowledge (and that includes all that is proven through science) is a beautiful gift.

 

[Laura]

I've had my opinions changed about things because of something another poster said that made me dig deeper into a subject, or because of a link someone posted that showed me facts that I wasn't aware of. However, you've got to be willing to admit that your own knowledge is not absolute and that you just might be wrong or misinformed about something. That's not something that's easy to do-trust me.

No, it isn't easy. Very few people are big enough to admit they're in the wrong.

Healthy debate and discussion is what this board is supposed to be about, right?

I thought so.

 

[salmoneous]

I love the whole "well the bible doesn't talk about dinosaurs" or "noah couldn't have possibly loaded up all the animals" theories to leap to = all of the bible is therefore untrue and = there is no God.

Nobody here has made that leap.

Evolution is a fundamentally flawed theory because it doesn't remotely begin to explain where the matter came from that "evolved" in the first place.

Huh? That makes no sense. Evolution covers some things, it doesn't cover over. It's not a "flaw" that it doesn't cover everything.

 

[Sir Ron]

Well, I guess that's where my faith comes in. I believe that my God is allpowerful and capable of leading chosen men to write His word, the way He wanted it, and I also believe that my God who is capable of creating the world and destroying it with a flood, is also capable of making sure that the Bible is translated through the generations they way He wanted it to be. I believe by faith.

And I'm not trying to argue with anyone. Its just what I believe. I don't need science or proof to believe it, I just do. I think though, and I'm lacking in this, that it helps to know about the science end of it and be able to participate in that part of these types of discussions. I think that is what God would want us to do. But I believe that he wants us to believe by faith, not by science.

I would hardly think my God would choose King James to lead anything. He did more to corrupt the church than help it.

 

[salmoneous]

Science teaches us that matter cannot be destroyed,

No, Science doesn't teach that at all. It shows that matter can be both created and destroyed.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to attack science. But if you are going to do so, don't misstate facts.

 

[yearbook50]

Nobody here has made that leap.

I think spidey might be refering to me since I started originally that a lot unanswered questions caused me to lose my faith. It wasn't entirely the unanswered questions that made me lose my faith, as I learned more about other religions and beliefs across the world, I felt it was better to take a step back from religion overall until I could figure out exactly if I even had faith. I know this has happened to a lot of my friends too.

 

[Laura]

I think spidey might be refering to me since I started originally that a lot unanswered questions caused me to lose my faith. It wasn't entirely the unanswered questions that made me lose my faith, as I learned more about other religions and beliefs across the world, I felt it was better to take a step back from religion overall until I could figure out exactly if I even had faith. I know this has happened to a lot of my friends too.

A similar thing happened to me, too. Now I have no religion.