Essential/Nonessential vs. Safe/Not safe

[mjkacmom]

Not sure I understand the difference between essential and non-essential businesses being open. So it's OK to go int Walmart, usually PACKED around here and mingle with all the people buying food and clothing, but NOT OK to go to my local electronics or similar store that normally only has 1-2 people in it anyway.

Here, stores aren’t packed because only a certain amount of people are let in. Maybe they should let even less in and close off the non food areas?

 

[cabanafrau]

The only way I consider it fair to rope off parts of big stores to prevent sales of certain merchandise is because independent local stores that sell that type of merchandise are forced to be closed. Only in the sense of fairness to the little guys can I understand that idea.

Doesn't seem right that Costco and Home Depot should be selling plants when we've got local nurseries facing absolute ruin if they aren't allowed to open for sales in a couple weeks.

 

[siren0119]

Proof please?

If you can go in a store to buy groceries, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to buy anything else in that store.
If someone can mow/trim a yard, there's no reason they can't plant.

I think it would be good for our leaders to say "here are the benchmarks we're looking for before we start reopening tasks". AND even say "here are the steps we'll take to reopen" (It should not be picking a day and everything is back open)

The CDC? https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/social-distancing.html

And this https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-six-feet-enough-social-distancing.html

This video also presented some interesting data on how far and how long microdroplets can hang in the air and travel (data was collected without mask wearing and with high velocity expelling via cough or sneeze, so it definitely warrants more investigation) https://petapixel.com/2020/04/03/sc...apture-microdroplets-that-may-transmit-virus/

 

[jlwhitney]

Of course I understand that.
But people will die if we just open up........
The country is a mess, but death is permanent!

The point of what we are doing is to spread out the infections so the hospitals can keep up...we have done that in the vast majority of the country, it was a known fact that the majority would still end up getting it but by spreading it out more people will live because hospitals can manage. We are nearing the stage were we need to open up and focus more on protecting the most vulnerable.

 

[rlk]

According to our governor, abortions are essential, appendectomies are not.

My nephew had an emergency appendectomy about a week ago.

 

[L&Lfan]

My nephew had an emergency appendectomy about a week ago.

Thank goodness he lives where he does.

 

[siren0119]

The point of what we are doing is to spread out the infections so the hospitals can keep up...we have done that in the vast majority of the country, it was a known fact that the majority would still end up getting it but by spreading it out more people will live because hospitals can manage. We are nearing the stage were we need to open up and focus more on protecting the most vulnerable.

We haven't hit the surge yet in many parts of the country. Boston was a little behind NYC in having the early cases show up and we are expected to hit our peak between now and next week. We started shutting down on March 17. Much of the country is weeks behind that. Officials should be looking at plans to reopen that can be implemented AFTER the peak and hopefully downward trends that follow...but much of the country is looking at weeks away before that can be implemented.

 

[ronandannette]

Thank goodness he lives where he does.

There was a post here not long ago about a young man who had been seen for appendicitis and sent home with antibiotics rather than surgery. I’ve never heard of that treatment before but perhaps it is common. I do think of him periodically though. There are routine reports here of a couple of people each year that die from a burst appendix after having been discharged from the ER.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Thank goodness he lives where he does.

I know of no states that have banned emergency surgeries.

 

[pryncess527]

Governors shouldnt be deciding which medical procedures are emergencies, doctors should

my mother had her galbladder removed yesterday. Glad that was up to her doc, not any politician

 

[rlk]

Thank goodness he lives where he does.

This took place in NY. He was in and out of the hospital in approximately 24 hours. They told him he was safer recovering at home.

 

[cabanafrau]

I know of no states that have banned emergency surgeries.

No, of course not. Yet I did see reports of people with appendicitis being sent home with antibiotics instead of being taken in for surgery as is the standard course. Cannot remember where that was with all the overload of information that's been nonstop for weeks.

 

[mjkacmom]

Thank goodness he lives where he does.

My daughter‘s friend was discharged from Saint Barnabas hospital last week with appendicitis, they gave her IV antibiotics and some to take at home. They felt it was safer for her because they had so many covid19 patients, and many do recover from appendicitis with antibiotics. She is feeling much better, fever and pain gone. If that wasn’t the case, she was instructed to return to the hospital.

I’ve had an emergency appendectomy, my son was too late, it ruptured. It is now the norm not to operate if the patient is otherwise healthy and instead use IV antibiotics and monitor carefully.

 

[mjkacmom]

There was a post here not long ago about a young man who had been seen for appendicitis and sent home with antibiotics rather than surgery. I’ve never heard of that treatment before but perhaps it is common. I do think of him periodically though. There are routine reports here of a couple of people each year that die from a burst appendix after having been discharged from the ER.

That was me, but she is a 20 year old female, she is doing great. I had no idea it could be treated that way, but after googling, I saw it’s a thing.

 

[jlwhitney]

We haven't hit the surge yet in many parts of the country. Boston was a little behind NYC in having the early cases show up and we are expected to hit our peak between now and next week. We started shutting down on March 17. Much of the country is weeks behind that. Officials should be looking at plans to reopen that can be implemented AFTER the peak and hopefully downward trends that follow...but much of the country is looking at weeks away before that can be implemented.

And all the country isn't going to just re open at the same time, and at this point almost all the models have been wrong.

 

[mjkacmom]

This took place in NY. He was in and out of the hospital in approximately 24 hours. They told him he was safer recovering at home.

I was home less than 24 hours after mine a few years ago. I know of someone else here who did have his appendix removed last week also and they sent him home the same day for his safety (young man).

 

[siren0119]

And all the country isn't going to just re open at the same time, and at this point almost all the models have been wrong.

The models also assumed people would pay attention to distancing and protective guidelines, and that didn't happen.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

No, of course not. Yet I did see reports of people with appendicitis being sent home with antibiotics instead of being taken in for surgery as is the standard course. Cannot remember where that was with all the overload of information that's been nonstop for weeks.

I posted this in another thread, but it is pretty common. It all depends on things like your white blood cell count. I had 4 different appendicitis attacks in my teens, spread out by about a year each time. I was sent home in terrible pain all 4 times with medication (probably antibiotics, but I don't remember). I never got bad enough to have my appendix removed.

ETA - that was 35 years ago, so this has been standard treatment for a long time.

 

[ronandannette]

That was me, but she is a 20 year old female, she is doing great. I had no idea it could be treated that way, but after googling, I saw it’s a thing.

Thanks for letting me know. I really have been wondering.

 

[sam_gordon]

We don’t have sections of our stores closed off here. If they are open you can buy what they sell.

Same here. But probably because we're in the same state.