Equal Marriage Supporters

[Goofyluver]

Thank you Uncle Remus. This is an excellent application of the Freedom to Marry Week.

I would like to add to this discussion, before someone hops in here and brings it up, that we'd prefer you not use the silliness of "then churches will be forced to marry gays which is against the religious tenets of the church."

That is a bald faced lie. There is no provision in the legislative system that would support or uphold that. Christian churches, Jewish Synagogues, Muslim Mosques, and any other religious or spiritual organization will remain free to define who they marry and under what circumstances. Let's be clear about that. No, "yeah buts," no, "sure, but what ifs," none of that propaganda that is so patently false.

This is not about anything other than civil liberties. Read that again. CIVIL liberties. This is not about religious freedom. This is about having the right to go before a civil entity and be entered into a biding agreement that goes by the definition of marriage, regardless of the gender of the person you are marrying. Period. That is all it is about.

It's not about educating children to be homosexual. It's not about promoting acceptance of being gay in elementary, junior, or high schools. Bigoted parents do a fine job right now of keeping their little darlings brainwashed. That's why racism is still so prevalent.

This is solely (as in ONLY) about two people marrying in a civil ceremony regardless of gender or religious belief/non-belief.

If you can't get your mind around that, then don't. Don't marry someone of your own gender. Don't join a group to promote marriage of same gendered couples. Don't attend the ceremonies of your friends, neighbors and perhaps one day, your child when they join together with a someone of the same gender.

Do stop lying about it. Do stop pretending that it's the imminent downfall of religion as you know it. Do stop pretending that what two people other than you and your opposite gendered spouse do is going to affect your union.

Civil liberty to marry in a civil ceremony or religious based ceremony where the church is accepting of the union. That is what same gendered marriage is all about.

I thought we needed to see this one more time.

 

[TennisGirl80]

 

[Diva of Dragons]

More "dittos" to DVC~OKW~96!! I have said these exact words until I'm blue in the face, to certain people I know.

When it comes to the CIVIL right, we are literally talking about a piece of paper filed in your county and the recognition of the rights that come with that paper.

All marriages, by legal definition, take place when you sign that little paper and it is registered with the court. The religious ceremony and big party that take place around that document are nothing more than pricey, sentimental cultural hooplah! LOL!

I am not, in any way, knocking the hooplah, or any religious, meaningful rites that people go through to mark a happy occasion. I hooped and lah'd! LOL!!! I'm just trying to put it in perspective in regard to the civil liberties position.

It is beyond me that people don't see the difference.

Love the thread!! I did not know about this week!!!

 

[Uncle Remus]

Count me in to spread the word

It's sort of ironic because I had no idea about this until this thread, yet this weekend me, dh and my 19 year old bible thumping son had lengthy discussions about this. Unfortunetely, my son won't budge on this We raised all of our children the same way, but this one is very intolerant of others and it burns my butt. I just don't get him

I will post something on my myspace tonight

This is a very uplifting thread Uncle Remus

If ya get a chance, friend Evan over at Freedom to Marry.



Maybe your son would be interested in readin' Dr. Mel White, he's a Christian too.

This is pretty good too:
What the Bible Says - And Doesn't Say - About Homosexuality

 

[Uncle Remus]

Here's somethin' else for religious gays:

This month IN THE LIFE explores the power of religion to shape our lives, worldview, and our political convictions... providing spiritual guidance and comfort, but often used to promote intolerance and hatred of LGBT people. Looking at the intersection of religion and sexuality, we see how gays and lesbians reconcile their faith within their religious communities.

Ties That Bind

Here's some other episodes:

In God We Trusted
Believing that homosexuals have no place in the Christian church, evangelical ex-gay ministries, such as EXODUS, have been established around the country to re-program LGBT people to make them heterosexuals?often with tragic consequences.

A Conversation With... Rabbi Sharon Kleinbaum and Bishop Gene Robinson
Sharon Kleinbaum, rabbi of New York's largest LGBT synagogue, leads Judaism's national dialogue on the issues of gay rights and social justice. Gene Robinson, the first openly gay Bishop in the Episcopal Church, has been at the center of the Church's heated debate on homosexuality. The rabbi and the bishop discuss their spiritual journeys, faith, religion, and politics.

Real to Reel: A Jihad For Love
In the world of Islam, "Jihad" translates as a "struggle in the way of God." For gay Muslims, reconciling one's homosexuality is a struggle against oppression, against tradition, and fear. In our final story, Director Parvez Sharma's ground-breaking film, A JIHAD FOR LOVE, looks at gay and lesbian Muslims who strive to be true to their Faith and themselves.

 

[DVC~OKW~96]

For those folks who like to have an outward symbol to show their support for any given issue, a white ribbon knotted in the center has come to be a symbol for the support of gay marriage.

So, if you find it a worthy effort, make a bunch of white ribbons with knots in the center (tying the knot, don't you know ) and pass them out when you are having those seven conversations.

 

[Disney Doll]

Thank you Uncle Remus. This is an excellent application of the Freedom to Marry Week.

I would like to add to this discussion, before someone hops in here and brings it up, that we'd prefer you not use the silliness of "then churches will be forced to marry gays which is against the religious tenets of the church."

That is a bald faced lie. There is no provision in the legislative system that would support or uphold that. Christian churches, Jewish Synagogues, Muslim Mosques, and any other religious or spiritual organization will remain free to define who they marry and under what circumstances. Let's be clear about that. No, "yeah buts," no, "sure, but what ifs," none of that propaganda that is so patently false.

This is not about anything other than civil liberties. Read that again. CIVIL liberties. This is not about religious freedom. This is about having the right to go before a civil entity and be entered into a biding agreement that goes by the definition of marriage, regardless of the gender of the person you are marrying. Period. That is all it is about.

It's not about educating children to be homosexual. It's not about promoting acceptance of being gay in elementary, junior, or high schools. Bigoted parents do a fine job right now of keeping their little darlings brainwashed. That's why racism is still so prevalent.

This is solely (as in ONLY) about two people marrying in a civil ceremony regardless of gender or religious belief/non-belief.

If you can't get your mind around that, then don't. Don't marry someone of your own gender. Don't join a group to promote marriage of same gendered couples. Don't attend the ceremonies of your friends, neighbors and perhaps one day, your child when they join together with a someone of the same gender.

Do stop lying about it. Do stop pretending that it's the imminent downfall of religion as you know it. Do stop pretending that what two people other than you and your opposite gendered spouse do is going to affect your union.

Civil liberty to marry in a civil ceremony or religious based ceremony where the church is accepting of the union. That is what same gendered marriage is all about.

Fine with me.

 

[rabx5]

Thank you Uncle Remus. This is an excellent application of the Freedom to Marry Week.

I would like to add to this discussion, before someone hops in here and brings it up, that we'd prefer you not use the silliness of "then churches will be forced to marry gays which is against the religious tenets of the church."

That is a bald faced lie. There is no provision in the legislative system that would support or uphold that. Christian churches, Jewish Synagogues, Muslim Mosques, and any other religious or spiritual organization will remain free to define who they marry and under what circumstances. Let's be clear about that. No, "yeah buts," no, "sure, but what ifs," none of that propaganda that is so patently false.

This is not about anything other than civil liberties. Read that again. CIVIL liberties. This is not about religious freedom. This is about having the right to go before a civil entity and be entered into a biding agreement that goes by the definition of marriage, regardless of the gender of the person you are marrying. Period. That is all it is about.

It's not about educating children to be homosexual. It's not about promoting acceptance of being gay in elementary, junior, or high schools. Bigoted parents do a fine job right now of keeping their little darlings brainwashed. That's why racism is still so prevalent.

This is solely (as in ONLY) about two people marrying in a civil ceremony regardless of gender or religious belief/non-belief.

If you can't get your mind around that, then don't. Don't marry someone of your own gender. Don't join a group to promote marriage of same gendered couples. Don't attend the ceremonies of your friends, neighbors and perhaps one day, your child when they join together with a someone of the same gender.

Do stop lying about it. Do stop pretending that it's the imminent downfall of religion as you know it. Do stop pretending that what two people other than you and your opposite gendered spouse do is going to affect your union.

Civil liberty to marry in a civil ceremony or religious based ceremony where the church is accepting of the union. That is what same gendered marriage is all about.

May I use this in a blog on my Myspace? This is perfectly written.If not, I understand.Let me know.

 

[DVC~OKW~96]

You may. Thank you for asking.

 

[DVC~OKW~96]

Ooops. Meant to add that it would be nice to know how it was received if you have the time to come back to this thread and let us know. Thanks!

 

[Uncle Remus]

Just in case anyone wants to know the truth about this joke:

Study debunks myth that blacks overwhelmingly supported Prop 8

 

[DVC~OKW~96]

Thank you. As always, it's important to expose spurious correlations. Amazing how often then get turned into "fact" when there is no real support for the hypothesis.

The correlation that seems to be less spurious is the religious connection. Interesting. Houses of G-d spewing lies and deceit and venom to convince their flock that they need to vote against the civil liberties of some Americans. Niiiiiice.

Yet again, history seems to be on that proverbial loop.

 

[Uncle Remus]

More religious info:

RELIGIOUS SUPPORT FOR MARRIAGE EQUALITY
Many denominations are considering their policies on holy unions and the legal right to marry. As of fall 2004:
• Several religious denominations have endorsed their clergy performing commitment or union ceremonies for same sex couples. These include the Central Conference of American Rabbis (Reform Judaism), the Ecumenical Catholic Church, Ohalah, Alliance for Jewish Renewal, the Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association, the Unitarian Universalist Association and the
Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches.
• The United Church of Christ, the American Baptist Churches, the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), and various Quaker groups leave the decision to perform same sex unions to their clergy, congregations, or local governing bodies. The Presbyterian Church (USA) and the Episcopal Church in the United States of America allow their clergy to bless same sex unions, if their clergy do not call them marriage.
• Several denominations have endorsed the rights of same sex couples to legally marry and/or opposed federal and state efforts to deny marriage equality.
• In 1996, the Unitarian Universalist Association passed a resolution in support of marriage equality. The same year, the Central Conference of American Rabbis passed a resolution supporting the “right of gay and lesbian couples to share fully and equally in the rights of civil marriage.” The Executive Council of the United Church of Christ in April 2004 affirmed “equal rights for all couples who seek to have their relationships recognized by the state.” Other religious organizations that either support civil marriage for same sex couples and/or who are on record opposing the denial of equal rights to same sex couples include the American Friends Service Committee, Dignity USA, Ecumenical Catholic Church, Interfaith Working Group, Presbyterian Church (USA), Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association, and the Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Churches.
• More than 2250 religious leaders have endorsed the Religious Declaration on Sexual Morality, Justice, and Healing, which calls for full inclusion of sexual minorities, including their ordination and performance of same sex unions.
• More than 4000 religious leaders have endorsed the marriage resolution sponsored by Freedom to Marry.

Religious Institute on Sexual Morality, Justice, and Healing
304 Main Avenue, # 335
Norwalk, CT 06851
www.religiousinstitute.org
Copyright 2004, Religious Institute on Sexual Morality, Justice, and Healing

More at Link

 

[Uncle Remus]

Thank you. As always, it's important to expose spurious correlations. Amazing how often then get turned into "fact" when there is no real support for the hypothesis.

The correlation that seems to be less spurious is the religious connection. Interesting. Houses of G-d spewing lies and deceit and venom to convince their flock that they need to vote against the civil liberties of some Americans. Niiiiiice.

Yet again, history seems to be on that proverbial loop.

I still don't understand the purpose of espousing "well, blacks voted against you gays."

 

[ntsammy5]

Who am I to tell people what they can and cannot do? As long as it doesn't hurt others.

 

[DVC~OKW~96]

I know, as if being a person of color and voting against prop 8 or amendment 2 is somehow then justified? Never did get that.

That's another whole topic isn't it? How really does it harm anyone for two people to marry? Why would a specific two people marrying be more harmful than a different two people marrying?

No one has ever explained that double speak to me either.

As with so many lie based premises, they don't hold up when exposed to logic, and truth. Unfortunately, having a logical mind, or accepting the truth of something is not a prerequisite for voting.

 

[rabx5]

I put a blog on my myspace with links.

I also linked the 'for my wife" documentary trailer for youtube.

I hope I can open some more minds

Jodi

 

[RainbowBrite]

Thank you for this. I'm in.

 

[DVC~OKW~96]

Thank you Rab! spreading the word is an important thing!

 

[suzanna1066@comcast.]

count me in!