Energy saving light bulbs-good or bad?

You can find this at energystar.gov

I didn't actually read it all. DH had read it to me out of the newspaper ages ago, but I forgot until he called and I told him I was cleaning up broken glass from the bulb I'd dropped. He started saying, "Well, you're supposed to blah, blah, blah..." Funny man. Now he gets to change the bulbs when they start doing that flicker thing.

Thanks for quoting the info. However, I still don't see where it says that you have to call someone to come remove it and the other things you said in your last post.

Personally, I think people are making much ado about nothing.

Not sure about the labeling requirements in Canada, but here's a link to an article that talks about labeling requirements in Connecticut:

Compact Fluorescent lamps

I have to admit that the ones that I have had that burned out went into the garbage can. If there had been a place to "properly dispose" of them, I would have made the effort to do so, but I know of no such place in my community.

These are the same instructions we have in Canada and the instructions that I posted earlier. Again, I'm not seeing what the big deal is.

Do you have a Home Depot near by or a recycling depot of any kind? How do you dispose of batteries or paint? You dispose of these light bulbs the same way. However, in your jurisdiction, it might be ok to put them in the regular trash. It's easy enough to find out. Just ask.
 
Pretty much every bulb in my house is energy saving. We save quite a bit in electricity.

Since we've had fluorescent lighting since the late 1920's I wouldn't worry too much about them. Yes they contain harmful chemicals that would have some terrible effects on you if you were to snort it.

In this day and age you come into contact with terrible contaminants. You'd be amazed at what is in the average person's tap water!

Be sensible. In this situation the pros outweigh the cons. Your chances of growing a second head or becoming sterile are slim to none.


But what happens when every household in America is using and disposing of these bulbs. I'm pretty sure most people will just throw them in their trash and they will end up in our landfills. While there are minute amounts of mercury in one bulb what happens when we multiply that bulb by the thousands?
I don't worry about what happens in my home, I can do whatever it takes to clean up any broken bulb. I'm more concerned about the amounts of mercury that will end up in the ground and groundwater from the ones being improperly disposed of. I don't know enough about the risks yet to get all up in arms, but I don't plan on using these until I absolutely have to.
 
But what happens when every household in America is using and disposing of these bulbs. I'm pretty sure most people will just throw them in their trash and they will end up in our landfills. While there are minute amounts of mercury in one bulb what happens when we multiply that bulb by the thousands?
I don't worry about what happens in my home, I can do whatever it takes to clean up any broken bulb. I'm more concerned about the amounts of mercury that will end up in the ground and groundwater from the ones being improperly disposed of. I don't know enough about the risks yet to get all up in arms, but I don't plan on using these until I absolutely have to.

But couldn't you say the same thing about plastic and the poisons in that? There will always be people who will get around recycling laws so does that mean that we shouldn't at least try to do the right thing?
 
So, let's see... we all switch to the new energy saver light bulbs to conserve energy and then we go out and buy huge plasma TVs, stick a second fridge in the basement or garage, put in a hot tub...

I do believe we are a self-destructive species... :sad2:
 

But couldn't you say the same thing about plastic and the poisons in that? There will always be people who will get around recycling laws so does that mean that we shouldn't at least try to do the right thing?


How we will know if its the right thing until the future? It could be something we look back on and say "what were we thinking? " I'm not saying saving energy is not the right thing to do, but if it just creates another problem that we have to solve then is making the use of CFLs mandatory the right way to go about it?
 
But what happens when every household in America is using and disposing of these bulbs. I'm pretty sure most people will just throw them in their trash and they will end up in our landfills. While there are minute amounts of mercury in one bulb what happens when we multiply that bulb by the thousands?

I think by the time this gets to be a real problem, we will be flying the garbage to the moon or to garbage scows sent up into space. There are flights into outer space now almost every few month. I totally can see garbage being hauled & dumped to litter outer space in the future. There is a reason we are the only living things in this galaxy and as far away from all other forms of life. :sad2:
 
Thanks for quoting the info. However, I still don't see where it says that you have to call someone to come remove it and the other things you said in your last post.

Personally, I think people are making much ado about nothing.
I didn't say you had to call someone to remove it. You're supposed to call to find out how to clean it up then drive it over to someone else to dispose of. At least around here you're supposed to drive it somewhere. I suppose that if you don't drive, you could walk...but I haven't seen the instructions for that. They'd probably be even more fun to read. :rotfl:

Seeing as how I'd have to learn to fly in order to complete the first step, I'm not bothering with any of it.

I'll just clean up the broken light bulbs and throw them out.
 
You can find this at energystar.gov

How should I clean up a broken fluorescent bulb?

Because CFLs contain a small amount of mercury, EPA recommends the following clean-up and disposal
guidelines:

1. Before Clean-up: Air Out the Room

 Have people and pets leave the room, and don't let anyone walk through the breakage area on their way out.

 Open a window and leave the room for 15 minutes or more.

 Shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system, if you have one.

2. Clean-Up Steps for Hard Surfaces

 Carefully scoop up glass fragments and powder using stiff paper or cardboard and place them in a glass jar with
metal lid (such as a canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.

 Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass pieces and powder.

 Wipe the area clean with damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes. Place towels in the glass jar or plastic bag.

 Do not use a vacuum or broom to clean up the broken bulb on hard surfaces.

3. Clean-up Steps for Carpeting or Rug:

 Carefully pick up glass fragments and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a canning jar) or in a
sealed plastic bag.

 Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass fragments and powder.

 If vacuuming is needed after all visible materials are removed, vacuum the area where the bulb was broken.

 Remove the vacuum bag (or empty and wipe the canister), and put the bag or vacuum debris in a sealed plastic
bag.

4. Clean-up Steps for Clothing, Bedding, etc.:

 If clothing or bedding materials come in direct contact with broken glass or mercury-containing powder from inside
the bulb that may stick to the fabric, the clothing or bedding should be thrown away. Do not wash such clothing or
bedding because mercury fragments in the clothing may contaminate the machine and/or pollute sewage.

 You can, however, wash clothing or other materials that have been exposed to the mercury vapor from a broken
CFL, such as the clothing you are wearing when you cleaned up the broken CFL, as long as that clothing has not
come into direct contact with the materials from the broken bulb.

 If shoes come into direct contact with broken glass or mercury-containing powder from the bulb, wipe them off
with damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes. Place the towels or wipes in a glass jar or plastic bag for
disposal.

5. Disposal of Clean-up Materials

 Immediately place all clean-up materials outdoors in a trash container or protected area for the next normal trash
pickup.

 Wash your hands after disposing of the jars or plastic bags containing clean-up materials.

 Check with your local or state government about disposal requirements in your specific area. Some states do not
allow such trash disposal. Instead, they require that broken and unbroken mercury-containing bulbs be taken to a
local recycling center.

6. Future Cleaning of Carpeting or Rug: Air Out the Room During and After Vacuuming

 The next several times you vacuum, shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system and open a
window before vacuuming.

 Keep the central heating/air conditioning system shut off and the window open for at least 15 minutes after

ETA: I just started to read it and I especially like the part about how I'm supposed to fly out of the room because I must leave, but cannot walk through. Those people really are idiots.

Oh NO!!! :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: I am dead. :eek:

I did everything wrong when I broke the CFL bulb yesterday. :scared: I didn't run out of the room. I picked up the glass with my bare hands and tossed it in a bag that I didn't get rid of for several hours. I didn't decontaminate my hands. Instead, I opened a pizza with my bare hands, wafted it through the vaporous air and ate it. I left the air conditioner on while doing this, and was wearing the same clothes all evening and sat on the couch. :scared: You will all know what happened to me if I suddenly stop typing in mid sen
 
Oh NO!!! :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: I am dead. :eek:

I did everything wrong when I broke the CFL bulb yesterday. :scared: I didn't run out of the room. I picked up the glass with my bare hands and tossed it in a bag that I didn't get rid of for several hours. I didn't decontaminate my hands. Instead, I opened a pizza with my bare hands, wafted it through the vaporous air and ate it. I left the air conditioner on while doing this, and was wearing the same clothes all evening and sat on the couch. :scared: You will all know what happened to me if I suddenly stop typing in mid sen
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Requiescat in pace, Imzadi.
 
How we will know if its the right thing until the future? It could be something we look back on and say "what were we thinking? " I'm not saying saving energy is not the right thing to do, but if it just creates another problem that we have to solve then is making the use of CFLs mandatory the right way to go about it?

I guess I'm just understanding what problem CFLs are creating? Are you talking about the mercury thing because they can and are recycling these bulbs safely already. And we have been disposing of other things that contain mercury and worse poisons for years. What about the batteries that we use in just about everything? The paint we use on our houses? Etc. etc. etc. Nobody's looking back and saying, "What were we thinking making electronics that used batteries???"

Personally, I think the USA is behind the times when it comes to this. These bulbs are not, by any means, new. They have been researched by many governments and organizations and are being disposed of safely every single day.
 
If there had been these ridiculous safety rules when the original light bulb was first marketed, you would have seen a clean up list similar to that one for them as well.
 
If there had been these ridiculous safety rules when the original light bulb was first marketed, you would have seen a clean up list similar to that one for them as well.

Exactly! Just out of curiousity, what are the instructions for cleaning up a regular old-fashioned bulb?
 
I've been looking through the replies after hearing a news segment about this issue.
Its amazing how many are so docile about it. Where I live the gov wanted to implement it, and the masses were not happy, so they scrapped it.
I find them utter crap. And when i heard that they are actually toxic if broken I thought it was insane.
I'm all for energy conservation. But to risk health and be getting an inferior product to the original as well? To save a tiny fraction of the total power?
It just doesn't make sense.
 
I've been looking through the replies after hearing a news segment about this issue.
Its amazing how many are so docile about it. Where I live the gov wanted to implement it, and the masses were not happy, so they scrapped it.
I find them utter crap. And when i heard that they are actually toxic if broken I thought it was insane.
I'm all for energy conservation. But to risk health and be getting an inferior product to the original as well? To save a tiny fraction of the total power?
It just doesn't make sense.

Actually, the savings are significant. I have 5 lights in my basement and replaced them all with cfls and now instead of using nearly 500 watts (5x100), I'm using about 125 watts. The other benefit is the reduction in heat. Most people like a lot of light in their bathrooms but 4 or 5 bulbs (60-100w) generates a lot of heat. The other issue is the "color" (or more accurately, temperature) of the light output. Now you can get soft white, daylight, bright white and (for you hippies) black light. This way people don't look pink and make up looks more accurate.

I think the hazard is a bit overblown but you shouldn't have to call a hazmat team and clear the house of the kiddies and pets if you break one.

I don't agree with our government wanting to ban regular bulbs. We should have a choice. But a visit to a local home center and the choice of bulbs is defineately more CFL than old fashioned bulbs.

The next thing coming down the road is LED. Those are even more efficient but cost a lot more than CFLs but will last practically forever. The one issue I have with LEDs is flicker. I'm not sure if household LEDs lights are the same as automotive (brake lights) lights but the automotive lights have (at least to me) an annoying flicker. I can't imagine the day when all the cars on the roads have LED brake lights. I think I'll go mad!
 
I'm not in love with the dim energy saving light bulbs. I have quite a few though! A # of relatives have used them, didn't like how they light up the room and the delayed turn on time, and ended up giving their bulbs to me. No complaints about the free part.

I've read in Germany buyers are stocking up, filling cart loads of the old incandescents, enough to last "20 years".

Guess too the EPA has an 87 step process on how to dispose of the mercury bulbs. Mercury? I wouldn't be surprised to hear in 10 years activists campaigning to have fluorescent bulbs removed from the market.

http://dougpowers.com/2010/09/08/how-to-properly-dispose-of-compact-flourescent-lightbulbs/
 


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