Eminem…(genius or jack***?)….

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I do drive a minvan, i have 5 people in my family so i have little choice.
As for music when i was young i listened to dave clark 5/four seasons/kinks, generally alot of british invasion 60's stuff which im sure was looked down upon by parents but i would hardly compare You really got me/Glad all over to songs that are violent. And i listen to the same music today and listen to all american talk radio!!!
 
"I have to admit I crack up laughing to the song he wrote for his daughter. I guess his fans might get choked up, but to me, listening to Eminem is akin to watching the Jerry Springer show. The part where he is trashing his wife (or I guess ex wife, or his baby's mama) where he talks about going to jail for her, taken bats for her, beaten people with bats for her, well, it just makes me laugh. Maybe I'm too old, but I don''t find it really that touching. "

snoopy -- i agree 100% with this assessment. i am nota fan of his, and his music usually makes me laugh. :p
 
Since no one answered my question from many posts ago, I found out on my own. Brittney Murphey is his real life girlfriend as well as his gf in the movie.
 
Originally posted by Bob O
Now if he would change course and realize what he is doing is not right then i would change my views of him.

If only life were that simple. If only we could just "MAKE" people we disagree with change their minds. :) (<---- real smiley alert)

I understand where you are coming from with your dislike of his material and the appearance he portrays to the youth of this country. I can respect what you have to say without necessarily agreeing with it (since it is quite obvious that I don't agree people with opposite opinions to mine should be hunted down and shot).

Just a question for you here Bob -

You are obviously under the impression that children can be easily minipulated by the media to perform certain activities/to exhibit certain behaviors. Correct? So you think they might try to emulate people they look up to (Eminem in this case)? Do you think kids also look up to law enforcement officers? I think most would agree that some kids do look up to police/firefighters/military/gov. agents. This is where I am left in a bit of a quandary here Bob. If you think that kids are so easily persuaded to act out on behavior advocated by people in the media/role models (we already established that both you - a respected police officer, and Eminem - a terrible, horrible rapper fall into that category right?) then how can you advocate the unnecessarily violent death of someone you don't even personally know? Would it be ok with you then if a child, having heard your personal views on Eminem, were to murder him? Of course then both his parents and society at large could claim that their child's behavior was due to the violet encouragement of a police man!
 

Thanks BobO

It’s interesting that you like the Four Seasons. When I was in college the FS was what my friends and I listened to on our road trips to the Jersey Shore every weekend. I never got into the FS as much as my friends did. BTW out of the 8 friends that I hung out with, I am the only one who didn’t become a police officer. My friends are cops in Jersey City, NYC, and NY/NJ Port Authority. They all worked on Wall Street after graduation as accountants…but soon became tired of the business world and switched to law enforcement. I guess if you listen to and like the FS you automatically become a police officer.;)
 
Don't tell my teen-age sons this, but I kind of like his music...........however, I don't care for his "message".:(
 
My husband is in law enforcement and likes hippie music. Go figure. :)
 
Just a side note...

SSB was at the Toronto International Film Festival in September... where they showed appox 200 new films. Without question, Eminem's "8 Mile" was by far and away the most sought after... with a huge snaking line of those who did not get tickets for the one show, hoping to get in from no-shows. None did.

Dustin Hoffman was at the showing, and commented that he was very impressed with MM's abilities.

It will be a BIG box office deal.... guaranteed.
 
Here is a quote from Stephen King's website, he is a major Em fan.

Steve: What are you listening to these days?

S.K. Well, the new Eminem record kicks major ---. The guy is funny, smart, and sometimes shocking. Those are all things I look for in rock and roll.

Steve: Eminem's a rapper.

S.K. It's all rock and roll to me, although Eminem might not go along with that. In fact, he'd probably get his buddy Slim Shady to call me on the phone and ....

www.stephenking.com
 
Ok, let me preface this by saying that I never considered rap to be music. To me it all sounds terrible. I don't say this to insult rap, just to make it clear that I don't have the ear to tell good rap from bad rap. To me, all rap is bad, so I can't give a musical opinion here.

The lyrics, well thats another matter. We have a saying in the computer industry: garbage in, garbage out. I find nothing redeeming or worth while listening to in Eminem's lyrics. Its not the cussing (though I feel there way is too much of that too), its the violence and the whining. If I have to hear this selfserving little multimillionaire tell me one more time how hard his life is, I'm gonna scream. And the violence! I don't care if he doesn't mean it, the acts of violence described in his songs are beyond the boudries of what I consider excusable. I wouldn't mind as much if it were one or 2 songs, but his early stuff is just loaded with violent lyrics.

Look, I don't beleive people are going to run out and knock over a liquor store because of Eminem's lyrics, but why fill your head with such garbage? You can say its "just words", but words mean things, thats why we use them to communicate. If you listen to something enough, it will have some influence on how you think (whether you admit it or not). The concepts that much of Eminem's lyrics communicate are trash, pure and simple. Remember, garbage in, garbage out. In my experience, its true for people as well as computers.

I know that not all of his stuff is like this (and I haven't bothered to look at his new release), but enough it is so violent and self serving that I choose to dismiss him as not being worth my valuable listening time.
 
I would love to know what kind of music SK listened to when he was growing up. Hey wasn't the guy who hit SK with his truck listening to Eminem on the radio when it happened?Hmmmm


SSB is corn cool. (and he really gets around)
 
I, personally, find Eminem to be a genius when it comes to creating his form of music. It takes talent to put lyrics together with beats, and have them fit together. It also takes talent to perform them. Regardless of whether you like rap music or not, or disagree with the message he could possibly be sending to people through the lyrics, I still believe that it takes talent to do what he does. I listen to his music and wonder how someone could be so creative as to put words together the way he does. (I am not even talking about the violence he raps about...listen to other songs, and the talent is there, too.) But this is JMO, of course.
 
Gee I thought Bob O just meant that Eminem would end up dating J-Lo:p
 
As for music when i was young i listened to dave clark 5/four seasons/kinks, generally alot of british invasion 60's stuff which im sure was looked down upon by parents but i would hardly compare You really got me/Glad all over to songs that are violent. And i listen to the same music today and listen to all american talk radio!!!

I'm thinking Beach Boys here...:teeth:
 
Originally posted by supercarrie
I, personally, find Eminem to be a genius when it comes to creating his form of music. It takes talent to put lyrics together with beats, and have them fit together. It also takes talent to perform them. Regardless of whether you like rap music or not, or disagree with the message he could possibly be sending to people through the lyrics, I still believe that it takes talent to do what he does. I listen to his music and wonder how someone could be so creative as to put words together the way he does. (I am not even talking about the violence he raps about...listen to other songs, and the talent is there, too.) But this is JMO, of course.
I accept that he is talanted (as I said, I have no skill for determining the talent of rap artists, but most who do have this skill agree he is very talented), but its a pity he wastes that talent delivering the messages he does on many of his songs. An unnessecarily violent message delivered in a very talented way is still an unnessecarily violent message.
 
Yo dis cave boy from Capital-City thinks Em from D-town is dope.

Translation:

Hello this white man from Washington D.C thinks Marshall from Detroit Michigan is great.
 
What is the deal with all the swearing and talk about ***** slapping..You seem to be a troubled young man...
not that there's anything wrong with that
 
charlienj, Four Seasons rule, a great singer like Frankie Vali wouldnt need to lower himself to sing or write about the virtures of beating up his wife/girlfriend or be hateful towards his mother!!
Buckalew-Never been a Big Beach boys fan or into surf music but always enjoyed Help Me Rhonda/Wouldnt it be Nice.
disney845-Kids from improvershied neighborhoods or any without a stable family can easily be influenced by those who spew hate violence(also those with good family situations). Alot of kids/adults have few role models they can look up to and can easily look up to the BS they here in music or see on video's which protray violence/mistreatment of women in a postive/glorifying manner.
And i havent advocated his death or called upon anybody to go out and kill him in any violent manner. I just stated people of his ilk who live a certain lifestyle and act in the manner they do often suffer violent demise's and if it occurs it will be of no loss to society IMHO.
 
Aww, BobO, you made me smile. :) "Wouldn't it Be Nice" is one of my favs.
 
Buckalew, ive always loved that song!!!! And its nice to make someone happy for a change rather than to piss people off(lol)!!
 










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