EE death

[EUROPACL]

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Whatever you do don't use Google to find out information on the Internet.

 

[Daisy143]

I don't understand how after a few deaths disney does not install AED's at every ride. It can be anyone that has a heart attack whether or not they are on a ride. This could have saved some of these lives.

... just a thought

 

[EUROPACL]

I don't understand how after a few deaths disney does not install AED's at every ride. It can be anyone that has a heart attack whether or not they are on a ride. This could have saved some of these lives.

... just a thought

Does your idea for AED's extend to everywhere or just Disney proprety and money? As you say heart attacks happen everywhere.

 

[G8RFAN]

I was standing in line to order some furniture at a furniture store and an elderly gentleman in front of me suddenly collapsed on the floor with short shallow gasps spaced out seconds apart. EMS was there in 3 minutes while a couple of people were trying to administer CPR. I suppose the expectation is that every place of business should have one. Disney's settlement with the parents of Daudi Bamuwamye tells me that because they had some AED's on property and the expectation was that they should have had one closer to the "death trap" that M:S is. So you set an expectation and precedence by just bringing one onto property. Now the expection is to have one at every attraction? To properly train any employee who might be near an incident to use it? If it doesn't work, does it open the door to improper training or other issues? I need to buy some stock in the company that makes em.

 

[fan of the TTA]

I was standing in line to order some furniture at a furniture store and an elderly gentleman in front of me suddenly collapsed on the floor with short shallow gasps spaced out seconds apart. EMS was there in 3 minutes while a couple of people were trying to administer CPR. I suppose the expectation is that every place of business should have one. Disney's settlement with the parents of Daudi Bamuwamye tells me that because they had some AED's on property and the expectation was that they should have had one closer to the "death trap" that M:S is. So you set an expectation and precedence by just bringing one onto property. Now the expection is to have one at every attraction? To properly train any employee who might be near an incident to use it? If it doesn't work, does it open the door to improper training or other issues? I need to buy some stock in the company that makes em.

wow!. yeah.....that's shocking

 

[DC7800]

I would submit that perhaps it is reasonable to have an AED at every attraction which carries a potentially greater risk, such as thrill rides (Space Mountian, ToT, etc.) - and especially Mission Space. While there are warnings for persons with heart conditions to avoid these attractions, we know that people routinely ignore these warnings. While most will be alright regardless, you also have the occasional individual with an undiagnosed and unknown ailment which could prove dangrerous (this has happened previously at WDW). Hence, it might be justified having an AED at each such "thrill ride" attraction, but not all attractions (you shouldn't need an AED for both Peter Pan and Small World in the MK).

Units should be readily available anywhere else, but of course it is unreasonable (and unecessary) to have a unit in every building or on every streetcorner in America. A heart attack can happen anywhere or anytime, and the AED's need to be convenient and quickly retrievable. That might mean, for instance, every store in the Marketplace wouldn't need one AED each, but you would proably want at least two such devices in each section of Downtown Disney - in an emergency, its a long run (too long) from Disneyquest to World of Disney to retrive an AED. In AK, I would indeed have expected a unit closer to EE than Discovery Island.

 

[EUROPACL]

People really do have different ideas of what "reasonable" is.

On another note didn't I read a stat or article a while back about AED's statistically speaking are not really a benfit?

 

[DancingBear]

From the Sentinel article:

Declaring that portable heart defibrillators may have saved as many as 40 lives at Disneyland and Disney World or on Disney Cruise Line ships since 650 of them were installed in 2003, the Walt Disney Co. announced just last month that it intends to install 250 more on its properties, including another 200 at Disney World. The company also has trained thousands of employees to use them.

There reportedly were at least two in Animal Kingdom on Tuesday, including one at a first-aid station on Discovery Island, a couple hundred yards away from the Everest ride, and one on a mobile cart.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/busi...07dec19,0,2955186.story?coll=orl_tab01_layout

 

[bsusanmb]

AED's are not that expensive. WDW could easily afford to put one at every attraction. They are not difficult to use, and will not fire unless the unit detects v fib/tach. They are so simple to use that they were installed on garbage trucks in NYC and the evidence is overwhelming that they save lives within the first few minutes of a person during a code. All of the CPR in the world will not work if a person is in a ventricular rhythm and the only treatment is shock. AED's save lives.

Susan RN BSN

 

[Uncleromulus]

So this man had a KNOWN (to him) history of heart arrhythmias??

 

[pskorf]

I would submit that perhaps it is reasonable to have an AED at every attraction which carries a potentially greater risk, such as thrill rides (Space Mountian, ToT, etc.) - and especially Mission Space. While there are warnings for persons with heart conditions to avoid these attractions, we know that people routinely ignore these warnings. While most will be alright regardless, you also have the occasional individual with an undiagnosed and unknown ailment which could prove dangrerous (this has happened previously at WDW). Hence, it might be justified having an AED at each such "thrill ride" attraction, but not all attractions (you shouldn't need an AED for both Peter Pan and Small World in the MK).

Units should be readily available anywhere else, but of course it is unreasonable (and unecessary) to have a unit in every building or on every streetcorner in America. A heart attack can happen anywhere or anytime, and the AED's need to be convenient and quickly retrievable. That might mean, for instance, every store in the Marketplace wouldn't need one AED each, but you would proably want at least two such devices in each section of Downtown Disney - in an emergency, its a long run (too long) from Disneyquest to World of Disney to retrive an AED. In AK, I would indeed have expected a unit closer to EE than Discovery Island.

I have a real problem with everyone in this world blaming SOMEONE ELSE for everything that could possibly go wrong!!!! What ever happened to taking responsibility for our own actions!! They very CLEARLY state what the dangers are in the rides, NO ONE forces anyone to ride any of the rides - it is your own risk!! Why is it the business owners' responsibilty (in this case WDW) to invest in medical equipment???

 

[DancingBear]

Yeah, this guy probably shouldn't have been riding this ride, but if you take that logic to the extreme, then why should the rides be subject to any safety standards? Just slap up a "ride at your own risk" sign. And why should Disney have procedures for responding to emergencies and getting the EMTs on the scene ASAP?

Disney should be expected to take reasonable measures to protect the safety of its guests. IEDs are not expensive, they are easy to use, fairly idiot-proof and are known to save lives. At some point it is reasonable, and a good business decision, for Disney to place IEDs at all of the "extreme" rides, which are the most likely to stress the heart.

 

[CanadianGuy]

I was shocked they didn't have these in place at the attractions already.

Especially given they seem to have them in every building practically at the resort level.

Knox

 

[Coach Rick]

Yeah, this guy probably shouldn't have been riding this ride, but if you take that logic to the extreme, then why should the rides be subject to any safety standards? Just slap up a "ride at your own risk" sign. And why should Disney have procedures for responding to emergencies and getting the EMTs on the scene ASAP?

Disney should be expected to take reasonable measures to protect the safety of its guests. IEDs are not expensive, they are easy to use, fairly idiot-proof and are known to save lives. At some point it is reasonable, and a good business decision, for Disney to place IEDs at all of the "extreme" rides, which are the most likely to stress the heart.

I hope you mean AED's. An IED on EE would certainly make that THE THRILL ride indeed. (I know what you meant, but couldn't resist...sorry)

Here in RI we are now pushing for all schools to have AED's available and all sports venues should have them. In the city I teach in, all city properties now have them. This after a young man, 15 died at baseball practice from an unknown problem, and EMT's feel he may still be here IF there were a device available. As an ice hockey coach I often hear of young athletes dying from being hit at the right time in the right place and having their heart stop. As an Athletic Director, when I rent facilities, it is one of the first questions I ask. I am in the process of seeking pricing and availability along with training for my coaches. Should the need ever come, I feel it is far better to be safe. I agree with the logic that a company such as Disney could not only afford, but really shouldn't be without this piece of equipment. That is not to put the blame for any death by heart failure squarely on Disney's shoulders, but in the interest of saving a life or two. It's not the end all and be all for life, but it has been proven to help.

Every year, before I leave I have all my physicals, including a visit to my cardiologist, and my last question to him before I leave his office is, "is it ok to do the coaster rides at Disney"? I have no pre-existing conditions, that I know of, but I want that peace-of- mind to not be putting my family in the position of facing this situation. Not to say that something can't crop up, but again, I'd rather sound like a wimp and ask, than to get a nasty surprise.

 

[DancingBear]

I hope you mean AED's. An IED on EE would certainly make that THE THRILL ride indeed. (I know what you meant, but couldn't resist...sorry)

Whoops!

 

[Cap'n Jack's Hat]

My families first trip to WDW there were like three people that died there.
My mom and I were sitting on a dock discussing a man that had gotten drunk the night before and was reported missing by his wife. His body was found under the dock, we were sitting on, a few hours later that day.
We were in line for dinner at Chef Mickey's when someone ( I think it was a cast member) jumped off the roof and into the parking lot.
I didn't find out more about the third one, but heard the Cast Member were mopping up the blood in a back hallway.
It was pretty freaky.

 

[bigdisneydaddy]

I hope you mean AED's. An IED on EE would certainly make that THE THRILL ride indeed. (I know what you meant, but couldn't resist...sorry)

Here in RI we are now pushing for all schools to have AED's available and all sports venues should have them. In the city I teach in, all city properties now have them. This after a young man, 15 died at baseball practice from an unknown problem, and EMT's feel he may still be here IF there were a device available. As an ice hockey coach I often hear of young athletes dying from being hit at the right time in the right place and having their heart stop. As an Athletic Director, when I rent facilities, it is one of the first questions I ask. I am in the process of seeking pricing and availability along with training for my coaches. Should the need ever come, I feel it is far better to be safe. I agree with the logic that a company such as Disney could not only afford, but really shouldn't be without this piece of equipment. That is not to put the blame for any death by heart failure squarely on Disney's shoulders, but in the interest of saving a life or two. It's not the end all and be all for life, but it has been proven to help.

Every year, before I leave I have all my physicals, including a visit to my cardiologist, and my last question to him before I leave his office is, "is it ok to do the coaster rides at Disney"? I have no pre-existing conditions, that I know of, but I want that peace-of- mind to not be putting my family in the position of facing this situation. Not to say that something can't crop up, but again, I'd rather sound like a wimp and ask, than to get a nasty surprise.

I read a report not too long ago (cant recall the source) that discussed using AED's in schools, the study concluded that they were of very little if any value to patients in the student age group. It went on to state that the type of cardiac events that caused death in these age groups were not correctable with AED's. The studt concluded that the money could be better spent on training for staff and cooperation with the EMS responders serving the facility.

Scott

 

[padalyn]

I am an AED instructor in NJ. I have to say...they do help in specific cases, but are not a cure-all for every episode of cardiac arrest. They only "fire" if specific dysrhythmias are detected. Those are ventricular fibrillation and ventricular tachycardia. If the patient is "flat line" there is no "firing" of the AED.

The best defense is CPR preformed correctly and immediately.

To speak to this article - if the patient was conscious less than one minute before the ride pulled into the station, then CPR was begun within the very narrow window of opportunity for it to be successful.

CPR delivers inadvertent shocks to the heart as well. The act of doing compressions will "shock" the heart at approx 20 joules (watt/seconds). This could be enough to reset the heart which is what defibrillation does - it does NOT "restart" the heart, but actually stops all the misdirected electrical activity of fibrillation or tachycardia. Thus the heart is able to reset and restart. CPR will often do the same thing.

I have done CPR hundreds of times and found very few times that it is effective. I have witnessed VF and VT and shocked the patient immediately to still have him or her expire. There are no guarantees.

To that end - a sad statement - but we are all born with toe tags. Life does end and the sorrow that a family feels at the loss of a loved one is immense, however - if everyone lived forever -the planet would be pretty crowded!

I have to agree with the person who stated that we should all be more responsible with ourselves. The resorts and parks try to provide as safe an enviroment as they feel they can, to that end if a person stands up on a roller coaster and falls - do we hold the park responsible? (This happened at Great Adventure in NJ about 20 years ago) I think not; the person was not acting prudently - the same holds true for someone with a known cardiac problem riding a roller coaster. Disney in my opinion, should not be held responsible for people who choose to ignore the obvious.

I have often chosen to not ride specific rides because I have migraine headaches - this puts me at risk for bleeding in the brain - thus I can't ride mission space or a few others that spin or cause increased head pressure. This is me being prudent - do I want to see what it is about? yep - will I? nope.

To the person who commented that he/she asked his/her personal care provider if it is safe to ride a roller coaster at Disney - you are putting your provider in an untenible position - if he/she says no - you want to know why. If he/she says yes and you have an incident - you will say - well you told me it was ok.

The provider can only speak to your health for the moment that you are in front of them. There are no "crystal balls" that will tell you that you will not drop dead of dysrhythmia in 5 days. Again - that toe tag.

I have preached enough - thanks for reading!

 

[bigdisneydaddy]

VERY WELL SAID. Having been an EMS provider for over 18 years (AEMT) I agree with your analysis.

Scott

 

[padalyn]

VERY WELL SAID. Having been an EMS provider for over 18 years (AEMT) I agree with your analysis.

Scott

You are welcome and thank you as well. I also have been in EMS for more years than I like to admit. I am an advanced provider and after this many years have had many opportunities to make these same observations. AEDs are great tools, and should be used as often as necessary - but they will not "save" everyone.