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[Luv Bunnies]

That's a difficult position to be in. I work in a special ed preschool class but our numbers are low (6 per session) and we are equipped to handle all kinds of behavior. We routinely hear that some of our students get kicked out of other programs. One mom sent her severely autistic son to a church class. But she was told his behavior was unsafe (wandering, grabbing scissors, putting things in his mouth). She was told to attend with him or he couldn't come anymore. Another parent was told her son couldn't attend a gymnastics class. His behavior was unsafe to himself and the other students so the teacher gave the family a refund. We had yet another child whose dad left him at a ski resort daycare. He lasted there for less than an hour before the staff paged the dad to pick him up.

Have you talked to the parents about the child's behavior in class? I would let them know what's going on and ask if they have any suggestions that they think would work for him. Beyond that, I would let the director make the decision and communicate it to the parents.

 

[Mandychelle79]

As a parent of an ADHD kiddo, I would talk to the parents. We do weekend vacations from her Adderall, however, if she was being disruptive in class we would giver her a dose. Maybe that would be on option for you,

 

[daisyduck123]

She was told to attend with him or he couldn't come anymore.

Love that idea!

 

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[MichelleinMaine]

This is a bit of a hotbutton issue for me. I am a church school director, with a variety of special needs children children in my program. I'm firmly of the belief that Sunday school is for everyone, and will do everything in my power to make it work for the children. I think it just sends a terrible message that church/God/etc isn't "for me" if a child is told they can't go to Sunday school. (I'm not saying that is what you mean, just trying to see it through a child's eyes. I consider my very first job getting them to want to come to church, that it IS a place for them to feel safe and loved. I hope to get a little learning in them too, but there's time for that- as long as they are coming in the building. "Let the children come to me" and all. Often the ones who act up the worst are the ones who "need" church the most.

I would definitely get your director involved in this. I always want to know when my teachers have problems. (It's my job! I'd really hope she'd not just say for him to stay home. I really hope she's able to work with you on this. I'd also ask the parents for permission to talk directly to the child's preschool teacher. She's a professional (assuming you're not, but a wonderful volunteer trying to help!) and could give some ideas, perhaps more info about their card system and how you may be able to do something similar.

I'd also check with your pastor- s/he may be aware of issues the parents are not telling you. (There are privacy issues involved there that they can't tell you, but an idea.)

Some ideas- (some you may have already thought of, but throwing them all out.)

Make sure your lessons are age appropriate. There is a wide range of abilities (both physically and socially) with preschoolers. Sitting and listening for 1/2 hour or whatever just isn't doable for some kids. Alternate quiet listening times with active songs, games, play. Personally, my expectations for my preschool class is that they "learn" for about 15 minutes, and then I let the teacher just have them have free time to play with toys. (See above about my goal making them LIKE church, vs trying to grill them with a bunch of detailed lessons at this age.)

Take into account different learning styles. The classic Sunday school model (sit, listen to a lesson, do a coloring page or worksheet) does not work for all children. The best lessons- both for remembering and for (gasp!) fun, appeals to a variety of senses/learning styles. (When you switch things up, you are more likely to keep things interesting, as well as to find a way to keep this particular child focued.) www.rotation.org is a great site for "different" ideas, I've actually changed my entire curriculum to their program, with *fabulous* success with various kids with special needs.

if you have to have a one on one helper for him- have one! Even in our small church, we have lots of teens who want to help the younger classes. (Ok, they get out of church to do so, lol.) Find one who's got some experience with kids and explain the situation. If the child can't sit for the whole lesson, have the aide take him in the hall for 5 minutes to do some jumping jacks or such to use up some energy. Bring them back in at the next transition. There's a couple kids I watch as I make my rounds during class. If need be, I'll pull them out myself saying I need someone to help me with photocopying or bringing the offering to the office, etc. (I make up jobs as need be, but keep the focus on redirection vs "you are being bad and can't stay here.")

If you absolutely do have to ask that the child not come, I would make sure the you/ the director stresses to the parent that you'd love to try again when he's just a little bit older. (Perhaps the start of the second semester, when he's had a few months preschool under his belt?) I did have to tell one parent her child could not stay for VBS because the 1/2 day was just too long for him. I felt AWFUL. I made sure to say that I was sure a few months would make a huge difference for him, that I looked forward to seeing him in Sunday school in the regular year....Try your hardest to keep in positive for the parent, that he's just not ready (vs negative words like distruptive, naughty, etc.) You don't want the parent to feel bad, not welcome in the program. Leave the door open, and then make sure you to include him in any non-class things that you can (pageants, special events, etc) to keep him involved.


(Whoo, this got alot longer than I intended, it's a hot topic for me, obviously. )

 

[MichelleinMaine]

Love that idea!

The problem I have with "you have to come with your child or he can't come", is that parents of special needs kids are of course dealing with this behavior on a daily basis. The LEAST I can do as a ministry of the church is to do my absolute best to take care of their child for an hour. (In our instance, Sunday school is during church- the parents would miss church to stay with their child. I have one mom of an autistic girl who truly lives for the hour of church to gain her focus for the week.)

In extreme cases- the child injurying herself or others, where a one on one aide is not a reality, I would consider making the parent stay. But that does not seem to be the case for the OP. It sounds like a little guy who just may not old/mature enough for a regularly structured class and needs some accomodations/adaptations. (see my above longer wordy post, lol)

 

[poohlover]

As a Sunday School teacher for over 15 years now, I agree with much of what MichelleinMaine had to say. In my last church we used the rotation model for older children, but found it too much for pre-schoolers.

Sunday School should be open to all, asking the Christian Ed. Director to sit in is great. Having as many people on the same page so to speak will allow for more ideas to help the child enjoy this time.

I also know what it is like to have an exceptional child in class week after week. Having someone talk to the parents to get ideas on the child's abilities and strageties they use would be beneficial. Perhaps they have not used medication yet with the child? They may be concerned about begining this. Perhaps a meeting with the director and teachers and parents could be arranged to discuss the best methods to use with this child. Weekly updates can then be accomplished quickly at the end of class and new possibilties brought forward. This can help not only at church, but at home and pre-school as well. Sharing these ways of dealing with the child's behavior is beneficial to all.

Don't forget this is likely not the last year this child will be in the church. Dealing with the issues and working together will show the parents love and support of their child. I believe this is what church is for. Dealing and problem solving now together will be of benefit to teachers down the road as well.

Good luck! and remember you are not alone in the care of this child, God is with you as well.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

This is a bit of a hotbutton issue for me. I am a church school director, with a variety of special needs children children in my program. I'm firmly of the belief that Sunday school is for everyone, and will do everything in my power to make it work for the children. I think it just sends a terrible message that church/God/etc isn't "for me" if a child is told they can't go to Sunday school. (I'm not saying that is what you mean, just trying to see it through a child's eyes. I consider my very first job getting them to want to come to church, that it IS a place for them to feel safe and loved. I hope to get a little learning in them too, but there's time for that- as long as they are coming in the building. "Let the children come to me" and all. Often the ones who act up the worst are the ones who "need" church the most.

I would definitely get your director involved in this. I always want to know when my teachers have problems. (It's my job! I'd really hope she'd not just say for him to stay home. I really hope she's able to work with you on this. I'd also ask the parents for permission to talk directly to the child's preschool teacher. She's a professional (assuming you're not, but a wonderful volunteer trying to help!) and could give some ideas, perhaps more info about their card system and how you may be able to do something similar.

I'd also check with your pastor- s/he may be aware of issues the parents are not telling you. (There are privacy issues involved there that they can't tell you, but an idea.)

Some ideas- (some you may have already thought of, but throwing them all out.)

Make sure your lessons are age appropriate. There is a wide range of abilities (both physically and socially) with preschoolers. Sitting and listening for 1/2 hour or whatever just isn't doable for some kids. Alternate quiet listening times with active songs, games, play. Personally, my expectations for my preschool class is that they "learn" for about 15 minutes, and then I let the teacher just have them have free time to play with toys. (See above about my goal making them LIKE church, vs trying to grill them with a bunch of detailed lessons at this age.)

Take into account different learning styles. The classic Sunday school model (sit, listen to a lesson, do a coloring page or worksheet) does not work for all children. The best lessons- both for remembering and for (gasp!) fun, appeals to a variety of senses/learning styles. (When you switch things up, you are more likely to keep things interesting, as well as to find a way to keep this particular child focued.) www.rotation.org is a great site for "different" ideas, I've actually changed my entire curriculum to their program, with *fabulous* success with various kids with special needs.

if you have to have a one on one helper for him- have one! Even in our small church, we have lots of teens who want to help the younger classes. (Ok, they get out of church to do so, lol.) Find one who's got some experience with kids and explain the situation. If the child can't sit for the whole lesson, have the aide take him in the hall for 5 minutes to do some jumping jacks or such to use up some energy. Bring them back in at the next transition. There's a couple kids I watch as I make my rounds during class. If need be, I'll pull them out myself saying I need someone to help me with photocopying or bringing the offering to the office, etc. (I make up jobs as need be, but keep the focus on redirection vs "you are being bad and can't stay here.")

If you absolutely do have to ask that the child not come, I would make sure the you/ the director stresses to the parent that you'd love to try again when he's just a little bit older. (Perhaps the start of the second semester, when he's had a few months preschool under his belt?) I did have to tell one parent her child could not stay for VBS because the 1/2 day was just too long for him. I felt AWFUL. I made sure to say that I was sure a few months would make a huge difference for him, that I looked forward to seeing him in Sunday school in the regular year....Try your hardest to keep in positive for the parent, that he's just not ready (vs negative words like distruptive, naughty, etc.) You don't want the parent to feel bad, not welcome in the program. Leave the door open, and then make sure you to include him in any non-class things that you can (pageants, special events, etc) to keep him involved.


(Whoo, this got alot longer than I intended, it's a hot topic for me, obviously. )

You sound like a great director. When we have an issue like this (we've dealt with several ADHD kid, autistic kids, etc.) we look at all the options. One that works sometimes is using treats to keep attention. I've found that an animal cracker will make all the difference in the world, sometimes!

We never bring the parent in. We feel that parents dealing with this all of the time need the encouragement of being in service more than anyone else.

 

[KirstenB]

This is a bit of a hotbutton issue for me. I am a church school director, with a variety of special needs children children in my program. I'm firmly of the belief that Sunday school is for everyone, and will do everything in my power to make it work for the children. I think it just sends a terrible message that church/God/etc isn't "for me" if a child is told they can't go to Sunday school. (I'm not saying that is what you mean, just trying to see it through a child's eyes. I consider my very first job getting them to want to come to church, that it IS a place for them to feel safe and loved. I hope to get a little learning in them too, but there's time for that- as long as they are coming in the building. "Let the children come to me" and all. Often the ones who act up the worst are the ones who "need" church the most.

I would definitely get your director involved in this. I always want to know when my teachers have problems. (It's my job! I'd really hope she'd not just say for him to stay home. I really hope she's able to work with you on this. I'd also ask the parents for permission to talk directly to the child's preschool teacher. She's a professional (assuming you're not, but a wonderful volunteer trying to help!) and could give some ideas, perhaps more info about their card system and how you may be able to do something similar.

I'd also check with your pastor- s/he may be aware of issues the parents are not telling you. (There are privacy issues involved there that they can't tell you, but an idea.)

Some ideas- (some you may have already thought of, but throwing them all out.)

Make sure your lessons are age appropriate. There is a wide range of abilities (both physically and socially) with preschoolers. Sitting and listening for 1/2 hour or whatever just isn't doable for some kids. Alternate quiet listening times with active songs, games, play. Personally, my expectations for my preschool class is that they "learn" for about 15 minutes, and then I let the teacher just have them have free time to play with toys. (See above about my goal making them LIKE church, vs trying to grill them with a bunch of detailed lessons at this age.)

Take into account different learning styles. The classic Sunday school model (sit, listen to a lesson, do a coloring page or worksheet) does not work for all children. The best lessons- both for remembering and for (gasp!) fun, appeals to a variety of senses/learning styles. (When you switch things up, you are more likely to keep things interesting, as well as to find a way to keep this particular child focued.) www.rotation.org is a great site for "different" ideas, I've actually changed my entire curriculum to their program, with *fabulous* success with various kids with special needs.

if you have to have a one on one helper for him- have one! Even in our small church, we have lots of teens who want to help the younger classes. (Ok, they get out of church to do so, lol.) Find one who's got some experience with kids and explain the situation. If the child can't sit for the whole lesson, have the aide take him in the hall for 5 minutes to do some jumping jacks or such to use up some energy. Bring them back in at the next transition. There's a couple kids I watch as I make my rounds during class. If need be, I'll pull them out myself saying I need someone to help me with photocopying or bringing the offering to the office, etc. (I make up jobs as need be, but keep the focus on redirection vs "you are being bad and can't stay here.")

If you absolutely do have to ask that the child not come, I would make sure the you/ the director stresses to the parent that you'd love to try again when he's just a little bit older. (Perhaps the start of the second semester, when he's had a few months preschool under his belt?) I did have to tell one parent her child could not stay for VBS because the 1/2 day was just too long for him. I felt AWFUL. I made sure to say that I was sure a few months would make a huge difference for him, that I looked forward to seeing him in Sunday school in the regular year....Try your hardest to keep in positive for the parent, that he's just not ready (vs negative words like distruptive, naughty, etc.) You don't want the parent to feel bad, not welcome in the program. Leave the door open, and then make sure you to include him in any non-class things that you can (pageants, special events, etc) to keep him involved.


(Whoo, this got alot longer than I intended, it's a hot topic for me, obviously. )

MichelleinMaine, I love you!!! I'm a Sunday School teacher, and the mom of a child with autism (not severe, thank goodness!!). Our daughter is 4, and she should be in the pre-school Sunday School class, but I'm not sure she's ready, so she's staying in the nursery at the moment. It's important to me that she gets to go to Sunday school and learn about God.

I love your suggestions about alternative activities for brief breaks. It's not an "all or nothing" venture, there are different ways to teach different kids. I can see you really have a passion for teaching all children, not just the easy ones.

OP, thanks for exploring different options for teaching this child. As the parent of a special needs child, it is often exhausting just trying different activities with our kids, like Sunday School, sports, or even just going to the grocery store. We do a lot of planning and preparation with our kids, and we always have an exit strategy, in case things don't work out!! I know you're a volunteer, and a lot of people would just throw their hands up, and say "this child can't come to my class". Thanks for your efforts.

 

[MichelleinMaine]

OP- wanted apologize a bit for dumping so much out, lol. Alot of what I said- major curriculum changes, speaking with the pastor or preschool teacher, are probably more directoral suggestions than for volunteer teachers. (I taught for many years but now approach these things with the "principal's" brain, as my kids say!) I do truly hope your director comes up with some similar ideas, if not, maybe mine give you/her thought on things to try. I KNOW it's frustrating sometimes. I've got one now in kindergarten who sounds alot like this little guy you have (though he's autistic, not ADHD.) He often spends part of Sunday morning with me running errands around church. My little jr. superintendant. He's a great kid, though and I love having him in Sunday school!

BLESS you for teaching, I should have said that in there too!

Poohlover, thanks. (been a rough week at work and it's nice to hear things like that ) We did rotation last year with our preschoolers (including the guy mentioned above)- worked wonderfully, though he did have a one on one "shepherd" most days. Much better than a classic model class though.

This year, I have a YOUNG preschool class, most are barely 3. I did pull them out of rotation for a self contained class this year. They do some of the rotation lessons (scaled down) in there and some just storytime, finger play, songs lessons.

 

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[Tuffcookie]

OP, Sunday school teachers are a special bunch!

MichelleinMaine, I like the way you think!

OP, Could you talk to your pastor about starting a class for exceptionals?

TC

 

[Mouse House Mama]

I guess I will be the one to sound uncharitable. Here goes!

I personally think the child should be removed from the class. Sorry but let's say there are 20 kids in the class and this one child is disrupting the other 19 every single week then that is simply not fair to the kids who are behaving and want to learn. If the child has an issue of sorts then I would hope the church could do something for him such as maybe one on one religion classes etc. I don't agree with taking the child out to do "special" things like helping photocopy etc. Kids who behave see this and wonder why on earth little Johnny who has been acting like he needs an exorcism gets to go and be a helper when they have been behaving so nicely. Trust me, kids will not understand that little Johnny needs the redirection. They will think it is okay to actup because clearly there is a reward. Maybe the child has issues or maybe he simply lacks parenting. Either way after 6 weeks I as a parent would be annoyed if every time my child went to religious ed the teachers had to spend the entire time focusing on the one child. Maybe that makes me a horrible person but that is how I feel and I know that I am not alone. YMMV.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

I'd agree that is uncharitable. Your words, not mine.

If a parent is having a difficult time, it is time that people help, not toss her to the wolves.

Besides how much of an "education" is a 3 year old getting? You do well if they can leave having fun, and getting a concept or two.

We use rotations, too, and love it, btw.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

I'd agree that is uncharitable. Your words, not mine.

If a parent is having a difficult time, it is time that people help, not toss her to the wolves.

Besides how much of an "education" is a 3 year old getting? You do well if they can leave having fun, and getting a concept or two.

We use rotations, too, and love it, btw.

I am not saying to toss them to the wolves. I just don't think that everyone should have to sacrifice week after week. I used to go to a church playgroup. There was one child who was a terror. The Mother would always be quick to tell you what she percieved that every other child was doing wrong when in reality her child was a horror every week. Every parent there could not stand it. Many parents left because of it. She refused to acknowledge that her child was a brat. I don't blame the child because she simply did not (and still does not) parent.
Even if the child is not there to get an "education" they still need to behave at an age appropriate level. Running in circles and crawling under tables is not imo appropriate. Maybe this particular activity is not for her child? My kids have tried many things and if they were disruptive etc. then they no longer attended such activity because maybe it was not for them. The fact that the child is doing the same thing in pre-school makes me wonder if the child does actually have an issue and the Mom is unaware (or maybe she is aware) or the parents simply don't parent.
If the church wants to help her then maybe removing the child from this setting and putting him somewhere else would be better for all involved. If this was a classroom at a school instead of a church event I am willing to bet that there would be a ton of parents here screaming for the superintendent to get involved. Just because it is church doesn't mean that it is a free for all because God loves you.

 

[Scurvy]

I guess I will be the one to sound uncharitable. Here goes!

I personally think the child should be removed from the class. Sorry but let's say there are 20 kids in the class and this one child is disrupting the other 19 every single week then that is simply not fair to the kids who are behaving and want to learn. If the child has an issue of sorts then I would hope the church could do something for him such as maybe one on one religion classes etc. I don't agree with taking the child out to do "special" things like helping photocopy etc. Kids who behave see this and wonder why on earth little Johnny who has been acting like he needs an exorcism gets to go and be a helper when they have been behaving so nicely. Trust me, kids will not understand that little Johnny needs the redirection. They will think it is okay to actup because clearly there is a reward. Maybe the child has issues or maybe he simply lacks parenting. Either way after 6 weeks I as a parent would be annoyed if every time my child went to religious ed the teachers had to spend the entire time focusing on the one child. Maybe that makes me a horrible person but that is how I feel and I know that I am not alone. YMMV.

I hate to say it, but I agree with this. I might feel differently if this was a Sunday school class, but given this:

This isn't a Sunday School situation. In fact, I have had the child in Sunday nursery and children's church for the last couple of years. I fully support that his mother needs this time to worship and have worked through it so far. This Wed. night program is almost two hours long and is much more involved (still, it is age appropriate). The parents drop their kids off and leave them at church.

it makes me think that this isn't the best environment for the child, at least at this point. It isn't fair to the other children that their activities are being so disrupted by this child. The fact that the other children are behaving and benefitting from the program implies to me that it is age appropriate for them, and I don't think it should be changed significantly for the sake of one child who is unable to behave.

Maybe there is a way that the child could be included in the program, either by having a parent stay with him or by having someone else volunteer to be in charge of him. If that isn't possible, though, then I think that he should not be allowed to ruin the program for all of the other participants. Yes, maybe his parents need a break. Yes, maybe he needs some sort of outlet like this. But so do the other children (and their parents), and they shouldn't lose out because of this one child.

 

[SaraJayne]

I guess I will be the one to sound uncharitable. Here goes!

I personally think the child should be removed from the class. Sorry but let's say there are 20 kids in the class and this one child is disrupting the other 19 every single week then that is simply not fair to the kids who are behaving and want to learn. If the child has an issue of sorts then I would hope the church could do something for him such as maybe one on one religion classes etc. I don't agree with taking the child out to do "special" things like helping photocopy etc. Kids who behave see this and wonder why on earth little Johnny who has been acting like he needs an exorcism gets to go and be a helper when they have been behaving so nicely. Trust me, kids will not understand that little Johnny needs the redirection. They will think it is okay to actup because clearly there is a reward. Maybe the child has issues or maybe he simply lacks parenting. Either way after 6 weeks I as a parent would be annoyed if every time my child went to religious ed the teachers had to spend the entire time focusing on the one child. Maybe that makes me a horrible person but that is how I feel and I know that I am not alone. YMMV.

I totally agree with you. I would pull my child from this class if one child was causing such a disruption (I have pulled my child from circumstances very similiar). It isn't fair to my child that is there to learn.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I guess I will be the one to sound uncharitable. Here goes!

I personally think the child should be removed from the class. Sorry but let's say there are 20 kids in the class and this one child is disrupting the other 19 every single week then that is simply not fair to the kids who are behaving and want to learn. If the child has an issue of sorts then I would hope the church could do something for him such as maybe one on one religion classes etc. I don't agree with taking the child out to do "special" things like helping photocopy etc. Kids who behave see this and wonder why on earth little Johnny who has been acting like he needs an exorcism gets to go and be a helper when they have been behaving so nicely. Trust me, kids will not understand that little Johnny needs the redirection. They will think it is okay to actup because clearly there is a reward. Maybe the child has issues or maybe he simply lacks parenting. Either way after 6 weeks I as a parent would be annoyed if every time my child went to religious ed the teachers had to spend the entire time focusing on the one child. Maybe that makes me a horrible person but that is how I feel and I know that I am not alone. YMMV.

I mildly agree with this.


Typically Sunday school is staffed with volunteer parents who are often ill equipped for an extreme situation.

In our Sunday school, the rules are often similar to that of a regular school. We are all there to learn and if you are disruptive, you are inhibiting everyone's ability to learn.

I tought 3rd grade last year and we had some real peaches, let me tell you. I did what I could with them. But on a time or two, the parent HAD to be involved.

Sunday school is NOT an appropriate place to mess around and as long as parents (sometimes) use it as a babysitting service, I Would have no issue with not allowing their uncooperative, defiant child in my classroom.

We are given permission to let them sit with the director and it isn't for photocopying fun. Then the director will explain to the parent why they aren't in the class that day.


However--on an ADHD note--if the kid has that, they have little control over their actions sometimes. And that is a challenge.

Sunday school is for everyone--but just like monkeys cannot be in services if they are too disruptive, the same is said for Sunday school. It is a time for reverence and learning--not monkey antics.

If someone was writing about this and it was church services instead--I can't imagine that any person would say that it is okay for the child to do that.

I have enough with my own children that I'm not about to tolerate misbehavior in a Sunday school classroom.

At age 3, one year off wouldn't harm the boy so much if it came down to that.

If he is the ONLY kid in class doing this, it isn't a curriculum or format problem. It is a problem with ONE SPECIFIC child, so the correction is on the child's end, not changing the class format.

IMHO--it isn't uncharitable to expect a child to behave appropriately in the class. Church volunteers are often not therapists or social workers, so it is unfair to expect them to cater to an unruly individual.

There would be absolutely no way that any Christian school would tolerate this behavior 5 days per week without consequence.

I really don't see why folks think it acceptable in 1 hour of Sunday school and essentially that the volunteer Sunday school teacher should just deal with it.

 

[KAMKIM]

I guess I will be the one to sound uncharitable. Here goes!

I personally think the child should be removed from the class. Sorry but let's say there are 20 kids in the class and this one child is disrupting the other 19 every single week then that is simply not fair to the kids who are behaving and want to learn. If the child has an issue of sorts then I would hope the church could do something for him such as maybe one on one religion classes etc. I don't agree with taking the child out to do "special" things like helping photocopy etc. Kids who behave see this and wonder why on earth little Johnny who has been acting like he needs an exorcism gets to go and be a helper when they have been behaving so nicely. Trust me, kids will not understand that little Johnny needs the redirection. They will think it is okay to actup because clearly there is a reward. Maybe the child has issues or maybe he simply lacks parenting. Either way after 6 weeks I as a parent would be annoyed if every time my child went to religious ed the teachers had to spend the entire time focusing on the one child. Maybe that makes me a horrible person but that is how I feel and I know that I am not alone. YMMV.

I totally agree.