Ebay issue...???

[JacobsMommy11002]

Last Saturday I bid on a Wii. I recieved a notice saying I was outbid, and purchased one from an online retail site...not Ebay, but a real store. As soon as I clicked submit, I recieved a new email from Ebay saying the winning bid had been removed ( I can't think of what its really called right now, but the bidder changed there mind and recalled their bid, saying they put in the wrong amount) and I was now the winner! The thing is, I had already purchased another Wii, and I don't need two! So I emailed the situation to the seller. I have heard NOTHING from them, no response to my email, no invoice, nothing, till today. The guy wants me to paypal him $10 to cover his listing costs, and he says he'll leave me positive feedback. Granted, $10 is no big deal, but the whole thing screams scam to me. I emailed him back and said I would rather take the hit on my feedback...I have NEVER had a negative, so it really won't do to much damage. Does this seem legite to any of you, or does it scream scam like it does to me?

 

[LJRJR]

It sounds like it could be a scam, or the seller is trying to bully you. If you go to the auction that has ended, does it show that you actually won the auction? If you type the auction number into ebay, you can find out the info. My advice to you would be to just ignore him.

 

[jessica52877]

I don't think it is a scam at all. The guy would much rather sell the WII then fight for $10 to cover his fees. I can see both sides, his as a seller, he had nothing to do with the person retracting the bid, and you as the buyer didn't either. It is a no win situation. I don't think ebay should allow retractions quite honestly, I have had it happen to me (as the seller) and when I research the person it ends up they have bin on one for less, listed after mine, never a legit reason for retracting a bid.

 

[teacups]

There does seem to be a flaw here.... $10 is way more than his listing fee's btw. I'd email ebay.

 

[jessica52877]

I guessing they were close to $7-8. I don't know the specifics but a couple hundred dollar item (unless he started it at $.99 with no reserve) and then all the upgrade fees, subtitle, gallery and if he did anything else. $10 probably not, but close to it.

 

[PrincessKell]

I think that if you got an email saying you were out bid and did not win, as soon as you got that email, its not your problem anymore. you didnt win, there for you should have to pay him anything.

I know there have been a few times where the winner didnt pay or whatever, and i got a second chance because i was the next highest bidder. Sometimes I had already found what I needed and didnt take the second chance, others I took it. But I have never had anyone say if i paid the listing fees he would leave positive feedback, indicating if you didnt pay he would leave negative feedback.

Good luck i would report it to ebay, and see exactly what you have to do in this situation.

 

[2Princes2Princesses]

I would contact Ebay, explain, and tell them that since you lost, you bought one elsewhere and no longer want it, AND that the seller is trying to get you to pay his listing fee.

Someone I know had this happen and when I checked out the auction...the bid that won and was retracted just happened to be from a brand new Ebay member who just happened to live in the same town as the seller AND their usernames were something like "Ksmith2948" seller and "jsmith2948" buyer.

Seriously. Apparently, the seller was not happy with the bids, so he or someone he knew (we guessed his wife) signed up and bid the item up higher. Well, she must have gotten too gung ho and over bid, and ended up winning. So she then retracted and my friend is contacted by the seller that she can have it at her highest bid amount. Had Jsmith not bid at all, she would have won the item for about $20 less than they were offering it to her in email.

That type of scam is called shill bidding and is not allowed by Ebay's rules. My friend was allowed to decline to buy it and the seller was not able to leave feedback either way, since no transaction took place.

On something as pricey as a Wii, I would be a little suspicious, especially if the winner bid in small increments and beat you by only a small amount. You can check in the bid history once the auction has ended.

 

[mickeymouse1017]

I have to say that I must side with the people saying scam. That has happened to me before but I was contacted by ebay saying that I could have my highest bid honored or if I declined, they would relist the item. I was not contacted by the seller. If I were you, I would contact ebay and tell the seller that I would report them to ebay if they try to give you negative feedback before this can be resolved.

 

[beavismom]

There used to be, and hopefully still is, a way to mutually agree to not complete the purchase and the seller is credited his fees back. The seller has to initiate it and if you agree they will refund his final value fee and he can relist it for free. If he is honest then he should agree to this. Here is a link to the Ebay page that explains it as well as an small quote that deals with it directly.


http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/unpaid-item-process.html
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Mutual agreement indication. If the seller indicates that a mutual agreement has been reached with the buyer not to complete the transaction, eBay will ask the buyer for confirmation through an email and pop-up message.

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If the buyer confirms the seller's statement about mutual agreement not to complete the transaction, the buyer will not receive an Unpaid Item strike and the seller will receive a Final Value Fee credit.
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If the buyer disagrees with the seller's statement on mutual agreement, the buyer will not receive an Unpaid Item strike and the seller will not receive a Final Value Fee credit. The dispute will be closed immediately after the buyer responds and the seller will not be eligible to re-file an Unpaid Item dispute for that transaction.
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If the buyer does not respond to the email or pop-up message within 7 days then the seller will be able to close the dispute. The seller will receive a Final Value Fee credit and the buyer will not receive a strike.

 

[marlynnp]

Geez you people are something else. First it's a scam and then it's shill bidding?

You are warned in the site rules that you should not bid on more then one of the same item (or buy from somewhere else) unless you want more than one. You could always revert to being the high bidder anytime until the auction IS OVER.

Mutually agreeing to cancel the transaction will only give the seller back the final value fees. The seller is out his listing fees.

 

[beavismom]

Unless things have changed, the seller can relist the item for free just like if the auction ended without a winner. He/she also has the option of offering it to the next highest bidder. I don't know if the seller is scamming or not, but there are no fees that have to be paid if he doesn't go through with it.

 

[EnchantedPrincess]

I have had this happened with another high value item, and I was actually the seller. Some guy retracted their bid, making someone else who thought they didn't win the winning bidder. I just asked that the guy responded to the email that ebay sent him when I file for "non-payinng bidder" with the reason that we both mutually agree to end the transaction - that way, I get all the final value fee back and I can relist the item again for free (as long as it sells the second time and I was sure that it would). The guy cooperated and even left me a positive feedback.

I think you should ask that he file for non-paying bidder with the reason that both of you mutually agree to end the transaction)...yuo have to respond to that wi thin 7 days, and he will get the final value fee removed, and he get relist it for free. I don't think you should pay him the $10!

 

[EnchantedPrincess]

Mutually agreeing to cancel the transaction will only give the seller back the final value fees. The seller is out his listing fees.

If he relist the items, and it sells, his second set of listing fees will be refunded..so relisting would be free.

 

[2Princes2Princesses]

Geez you people are something else. First it's a scam and then it's shill bidding?

You are warned in the site rules that you should not bid on more then one of the same item (or buy from somewhere else) unless you want more than one. You could always revert to being the high bidder anytime until the auction IS OVER.

Mutually agreeing to cancel the transaction will only give the seller back the final value fees. The seller is out his listing fees.

Excuse me for being cautious and when I read the post, I thought the auction had ENDED before she recieved the email.

FWIW. I am not YOU people. My name is Steph. Ugh.... so friendly.

Which is why after using Ebay since 1999 or 2000, I have not touched that thing in ages. Not worth it anymore and the sellers and buyers are just nasty to each other. And in case you are wondering if I stopped because I was being a jerk, I have 100% positive feedback in the 1000+ range as both a buyer and seller.

 

[seashoreCM]

Probably not a scam. Except if you see yourself outbid and later see the high bid retracted and still later see yourself pushed to near your maximum by the same or different competitor with no bids in between in which case it gets mighty suspicious.

When you log on to eBay (not just read your email) (always hand type ebay dot com and never click the blue link in the email) when you view the item you will see that under where it says you were outbid it also says you could still win if the high bidder retracts.

I will leave this as an open poll question. Should you retract your own bid following an outbid where the reason (not selectable from the multiple choices offered) is not wantint to wait for the auction to finish while seeing the item available in a store or elsewhere?

If you are the buyer and suspect irregularities, IMHO the best thing to do is to either pay your full winning bid or to abandon the auction, not pay or buy, and not negotiate with the seller for a reduced price. The seller might take your money and renege on his end of the negotiation forcing you to send more money.

Disney hints: http://members.aol.com/ajaynejr/disney.htm

 

[seashoreCM]

Probably not a scam. Except if you see yourself outbid and later see the high bid retracted and still later see yourself pushed to near your maximum by the same or different competitor with no bids in between in which case it gets mighty suspicious.

When you log on to eBay (not just read your email) (always hand type ebay dot com and never click the blue link in the email) when you view the item you will see that under where it says you were outbid it also says you could still win if the high bidder retracts.

I will leave this as an open poll question. Should you retract your own bid following an outbid where the reason (not selectable from the multiple choices offered) is not wantint to wait for the auction to finish while seeing the item available in a store or elsewhere?

Disney hints: http://members.aol.com/ajaynejr/disney.htm

 

[LadyShea]

As far as I know you are responsible for your bids until the auction actually ends, because situations like this do arise. I don't think it was a scam necessarily, though it could be....but it's not all that easy to retract your bid.

 

[beavismom]

Yeah, it is not necessarily a scam, but there are ways for the seller to recover their fees other than the OP having to PayPal them $10.

 

[JacobsMommy11002]

Welp, thanks all for your help. We worked things out, and all is fine. We did what someone had suggest earlier about mutually agreeing to go our seperate ways so he can recoup his fees. FYI, the auction had ended when I got the notice...