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[Brianstl]

That does not make sense , as they would only buy the points to sell as hotel rooms.

They have ROFR now and they rarely use it, if they ever wanted rooms at VGF / Poly / WL they could buy them back.

It is exactly why they are going to to move to kill the third party broker business. It is competition for their deluxe resorts. They will only actually buy back points at a deep discount when it makes sense for them. They will create it to make it look like they are doing something for the members that used to use the brokers.

 

[Mouseforward]

It is exactly why they are going to to move to kill the third party broker business. It is competition for their deluxe resorts. They will only actually buy back points at a deep discount when it makes sense for them. They will create it to make it look like they are doing something for the members that used to use the brokers.

They can do one without the other. Remember we gave them our money upfront no need to go the extra mile to keep us happy.

 

[atthebeachclub]

They can do one without the other. Remember we gave them our money upfront no need to go the extra mile to keep us happy.

If they want to keep selling DVC, it’s in their best interest not to have a bunch of owners online saying “it’s terrible, don’t buy this!”

 

[Mouseforward]

If they want to keep selling DVC, it’s in their best interest not to have a bunch of owners online saying “it’s terrible, don’t buy this!”

Remember most owners are not us. They trade points for cruises, buy the points direct and they only interact with World of DVC when they sell the contract in 10 years.

When I meet these people at work, they see DVC so differently than this forum. They have no idea what is going on with DVC at all , they book the week and go.

 

[atthebeachclub]

Remember most owners are not us. They trade points for cruises, buy the points direct and they only interact with World of DVC when they sell the contract in 10 years.

When I meet these people at work, they see DVC so differently than this forum. They have no idea what is going on with DVC at all , they book the week and go.

I guess I just assume when spending tens of thousands of dollars that people would at least use a Google search first. Maybe I’m the weird one though!

Do you work at Disney? I’m wondering how you meet all these folks! Sometimes I also wish I was oblivious like they sound. It kind of sounds nice.

 

[Sandisw]

say when the Wyndham timeshare over by Riviera made renting extremely difficult, did they make all the owners there vote on the change?

One has to look at the terms of the actual contract they have because it’s all based on how it was written and what was included where.

I have never read their contracts but from the bit of research I have done, there are things that were allowed to happen because of the way the contract was done but would not mesh with our POS.

 

[Sandisw]

For what is worth, I don’t think they are looking to stop all renting. I think they are determined to shutdown rentals through third party brokers. They have a huge presence and are using Disney’s own product to compete with Disney’s hotel business online. Those are the transactions that are going to get flagged as commercial purposes. Since most members don’t rent out their points and Disney will sell it as a way to open the desirable bookings, the vast majority of members will be totally behind it.

You won’t have anything to worry about if you are renting out points on places like this board or Facebook groups in private transactions. I, also, think that within in a year Disney will start their own service to “rent out”or “buy back” members points in situations they believe it makes sense for them to do so, but for less than you can get from a third party brokers now.

Not going to happen because the hotel division would be its direct competitor and those two divisions need to play nice with each other.

 

[Sandisw]

It is exactly why they are going to to move to kill the third party broker business. It is competition for their deluxe resorts. They will only actually buy back points at a deep discount when it makes sense for them. They will create it to make it look like they are doing something for the members that used to use the brokers.

Again, DVC has a fiduciary responsibility to owners and not the hotel division

The decision they make must be for the benefit of the owners and the program.

So not sure what authority they have as a board to even do that.

 

[Cyberc1978]

I guess I just assume when spending tens of thousands of dollars that people would at least use a Google search first. Maybe I’m the weird one though!

Do you work at Disney? I’m wondering how you meet all these folks! Sometimes I also wish I was oblivious like they sound. It kind of sounds nice.

You would be surprised by how many that won't google search first before buying.

Heck when I bought my first timeshare at Vacation village at Parkway I didn't read anything I just drank the cool aid.

NOW I read and google everything before accepting anything.

 

[Sandisw]

Remember most owners are not us. They trade points for cruises, buy the points direct and they only interact with World of DVC when they sell the contract in 10 years.

When I meet these people at work, they see DVC so differently than this forum. They have no idea what is going on with DVC at all , they book the week and go.

And that is why it may seem that this is a bigger issue in the scheme of things than it is.

Yes, it was brought to the board as a concern and they said they were working on going after those they deem to be in it commercially but they definitely stated this is not a widespread issue.

And, there were several people at the meetings who I talked to after who also had no clue what the issues were.

 

[Sandisw]

I guess I just assume when spending tens of thousands of dollars that people would at least use a Google search first. Maybe I’m the weird one though!

Do you work at Disney? I’m wondering how you meet all these folks! Sometimes I also wish I was oblivious like they sound. It kind of sounds nice.

They don’t and unless owners are active in online forums, they aren’t dealing with these issues.

Many owners understand they aren’t guaranteed any specific room for any specific dated and when they can’t get something, they waitlist it or book something else.

Or, if they aren’t 11 month, 8 am bookers and log in a week late, they dont experience something like waking because with the exception of hard to get rooms, walkers have passed and one has no idea that rooms were ever gone for certain dates because they are back.

It’s why I have faith that DVC won’t be making any changes to how the system works that many owners would see as a step backwards.

 

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Vacation village at Parkway

How was is that place ?

 

[IMMkXLVI]

Your missing my point , GDT was the last non DVC property built . they cant sell the cash rooms they have is the point.

Side note - GDT is a moderate, but it is actually nicer than many DVC rooms

Au contraire, you're comparing an apple to a pear. It may be Disney owned but it isn't DVC. The demand for DVC points and DVC properties is greater than non DVC. It's that simple. As for "nicer", that is perception and opinion. I like OKW, others may not.

 

[Mouseforward]

Do you work at Disney? I’m wondering how you meet all these folks! Sometimes I also wish I was oblivious like they sound. It kind of sounds nice.

Like most tech firms, we have interest groups including one for Disney.

I am very jealous of how they are oblivious to DVC issues, they are all so much happier with DVC than we seem on the forums. It was then I realized we are different animals from the mainstream DVC.

 

[Mouseforward]

Au contraire, you're comparing an apple to a pear. It may be Disney owned but it isn't DVC. The demand for DVC points and DVC properties is greater than non DVC. It's that simple. As for "nicer", that is perception and opinion. I like OKW, others may not.

Again , Disney cant keep any Deluxe hotel full. It has nothing to do with GDT I just used that as an example of the last actual hotel built ( contrast to Universal / Lowes mad rush)

If they bought back points - they would have to sell DVC rooms to cash guests for cash. So they would be competing with themselves DVC vs WDW

 

[IMMkXLVI]

Again , Disney cant keep any Deluxe hotel full. It has nothing to do with GDT I just used that as an example of the last actual hotel built ( contrast to Universal / Lowes mad rush)

If they bought back points - they would have to sell DVC rooms to cash guests for cash. So they would be competing with themselves DVC vs WDW

How is that different from now? DVC or DVD holds a certain number of points they use for cash customers, no? They also keep some if a guest has to switch rooms, no?

By accepting points for annual passes and renewals, they are removing points from circulation. The same as if a room was booked, but at a higher rate. Granted, they had to renew an annual pass or issue one in exchange. If that makes sense for them to do, then perhaps so does accepting points for other commodities..

 

[DougEMG]

It seems to me that the easiest way to attack commercial rentals is through the reservation system. Lots of how that works is not covered by the POS. As an example I think they could immediately say all lead guest name changes required a cancellation and rebook.

I am aware that this would hurt some members, but I think it would hurt commercial renters more and I don’t think as members we would have any rights to complain.

Removing the ability of bots to access the site by placing in automatic delays in the system is easy so bots would have no advantage would also be something we couldn’t complain about.

Changes like this though all remove DVC from having to determine what is or isn’t commercial activity. Instead it blocks the behaviours commercial renters have around using the booking system that normal users do not have.

Placing

 

[Mouseforward]

How is that different from now? DVC or DVD holds a certain number of points they use for cash customers, no? They also keep some if a guest has to switch rooms, no?

By accepting points for annual passes and renewals, they are removing points from circulation. The same as if a room was booked, but at a higher rate. Granted, they had to renew an annual pass or issue one in exchange. If that makes sense for them to do, then perhaps so does accepting points for other commodities..

They keep based on the contract 2% or more ( rumor has it they own much more CCV) Other than that yes, they do get points from breakage and cruises. But you have to ask why in 30 plus years have they not done it? Rental sites have been around for over 15 years.

 

[lowlight]

They don’t and unless owners are active in online forums, they aren’t dealing with these issues.

Many owners understand they aren’t guaranteed any specific room for any specific dated and when they can’t get something, they waitlist it or book something else.

Or, if they aren’t 11 month, 8 am bookers and log in a week late, they dont experience something like waking because with the exception of hard to get rooms, walkers have passed and one has no idea that rooms were ever gone for certain dates because they are back.

It’s why I have faith that DVC won’t be making any changes to how the system works that many owners would see as a step backwards.

Are you actually saying if owners aren't active in online forums, they aren't experiencing issues with spec renting/walkers/bots? The reality is everyone is dealing with this issue, just many don't realize it. It's why I always pipe in on these threads, to get the awareness out there before people try to steer the narrative towards "it's a small issue, nobody does it". If DVC is actually moving their butts to do something about it, it's not small. They aren't going to say "yeah it's a huge issue please sue us for not protecting your memberships".

 

[TCRAIG]

Are you actually saying if owners aren't active in online forums, they aren't experiencing issues with spec renting/walkers/bots? The reality is everyone is dealing with this issue, just many don't realize it. It's why I always pipe in on these threads, to get the awareness out there before people try to steer the narrative towards "it's a small issue, nobody does it". If DVC is actually moving their butts to do something about it, it's not small. They aren't going to say "yeah it's a huge issue please sue us for not protecting your memberships".

I’m only dealing with this ‘issue’ because of the current conversations from some on the chat who I think are proposing onerous solutions to many members like me who really aren’t impacted by bots or commercial renting…Or walking for that matter. None of these impact me at all. And although I may not be representative of the bulk of members, I don’t think I’m such a ‘rare’ find that the Smithsonian wants to put me on display!