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[muppets3d]

All of the things you list are possible to fix ( probably the undesirable resorts is the hardest but add a lazy river to them and bingo)

But I see no reason that spec renting would have any significant effect unlike fixing the point charts.

Even if all the new owners of the ex-commercial owner points book SV rooms, at least the rooms will be used by owners and not renters. I think that is good for the membership as a whole. I think the entire point of DVC is for members to book vacations using their points for themselves and their families. Not for a broker to buy up thousands of points and book cheap/in-demand rooms and sell them for a profit.

 

[zavandor]

Or they decided to build PIT so they could roll back an unpopular change.

So they decided in December 2019 that there was a problem with demand that needed rebalancing but at the end of January 2020 they decided to build PIT 5 years later and all was good? Also, they didn't build a new tower at CCV.
So no, not a convincing argument.

 

[Mouseforward]

Source: Trust me bro.
See also: I made it up.

A quick google search that would back what he said ( Business insider and Tampa bay times have done articles on this trend) , And Disney execs have also confirmed 40-50% of WDW world guests do not have kids. So more evidence out there to back what he said than to refute it.

And finding it would take less time than posting snarky, unhelpful comments like this.

 

[Mouseforward]

Even if all the new owners of the ex-commercial owner points book SV rooms, at least the rooms will be used by owners and not renters. I think that is good for the membership as a whole. I think the entire point of DVC is for members to book vacations using their points for themselves and their families. Not for a broker to buy up thousands of points and book cheap/in-demand rooms and sell them for a profit.

Renters can like DVC and become owners keeping the program alive and new places being built for us to try. If I lose out on a popular room it doesn't matter to me who got it. In the end we are all renters we just have a longer lease.

 

[IMMkXLVI]

Source: Trust me bro.
See also: I made it up.

Well, it will eventually become true for many simply through the passage of time.

If by "no kids" you accept the dual meaning of never having had them & those that do but the children are of adult age and have moved on/out.

Personally, I am looking forward to the DINK period. My wife and I can go to Epcot and enjoy it at our pace. Food & Wine Festival 2031 here we come!

 

[muppets3d]

Renters can like DVC and become owners keeping the program alive and new places being built for us to try. If I lose out on a popular room it doesn't matter to me who got it. In the end we are all renters we just have a longer lease.

To many, it's disheartening to miss out on the room you wanted - you were online early, had your search all set up, etc., only for the room to be sniped from you. And then, you see it for rent on a broker site.

Why spend all the money to buy in if you can just rent the room from a broker? No worrying about refreshing right at 8AM, no paying dues, just let the brokers and their bots book the room for you.

 

[IMMkXLVI]

Right but if renting were curbed, the new owners of those points wouldn't all be looking for standard view studios. Certainly many would but some would want other room types. Of course, if they're looking for 2 bedrooms that won't solve anything because all the 2-bedroom units at Boardwalk are lockoffs.

If all commercial renters stopped today and sold their contracts, those points will end up in one of three places.
A) New owners to DVC
B) Existing owners of DVC
C) DVC via ROFR

One can assume that the trend for studios would increase but remain consistent within each category. The ROFR contracts may get folded into DVC inventory if the law and contracts permit and DVC sees a financial upside to it but probably most would be sold to A or B but this will take time buffering any effect on the general membership.

Aside from some elements like using BOTS or walking reservations, the disappearance of commercial renters won't have the dramatic change some think it will. I'd say time will tell but .....

 

[mkatsy]

Using BW for an example , simply making SV and PV the same points solves the studio availability problem - it was no problem @11 months to get a PV studio this year for 1st week in May one of the most popular weeks. And that was after attempting to get BW view , so I got one slightly after 8.

And they can keep going in the direction of leveling out the seasons point values like they did raising September from 9 to 10.

It is possible, but it would tick off people who feel entitled to SV rooms. I would rather get a room every year for a modest amount of points vs losing out 4 out of 5 years for cheaper points.

I would rather take away the prize and level the points out, than watch those rooms being posted by obvious commercial renters.

 

[muppets3d]

If all commercial renters stopped today and sold their contracts, those points will end up in one of three places.
A) New owners to DVC
B) Existing owners of DVC
C) DVC via ROFR

One can assume that the trend for studios would increase but remain consistent within each category. The ROFR contracts may get folded into DVC inventory if the law and contracts permit and DVC sees a financial upside to it but probably most would be sold to A or B but this will take time buffering any effect on the general membership.

Aside from some elements like using BOTS or walking reservations, the disappearance of commercial renters won't have the dramatic change some think it will. I'd say time will tell but .....

Hard to get rooms will always be hard to get, that's for sure. But at least without the broker's bots, and without the brokers owning thousands of points so they can keep rooms locked up in walks year-round, the fight will be a little more fair.

 

[Cyberc1978]

All of the things you list are possible to fix ( probably the undesirable resorts is the hardest but add a lazy river to them and bingo)

But I see no reason that spec renting would have any significant effect unlike fixing the point charts.

It won’t. At least not at BWV and AKV.

Some here tend to believe that the big bad wolf that need fixing is spec renting. Personally I don’t think solving of spec renting will do much if anything for the overall availability.

If I can’t spec renting value rooms okay then 5 owners at AKV will get a value room - or wait maybe 4 owners already do and brokers or owners are only spec renting or walking 1 reservation. Then the number is 1 additional AKV owner can get a value room. Regardless of the number only 5 owners can get a room.
Same story with BWV.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread I was able to get a BWV studio SV for late May (10 nights) less than 60 days out. I actually held a 3 nights reservation in a value too that I also booked less than 60 days out. I end up cancelling the value as I didn’t want to change rooms.

I’ve only been a member for 10 years and DVC have never let me down(yet) I’ve always been able to get what I wanted.

 

[Mouseforward]

It won’t. At least not at BWV and AKV.

Some here tend to believe that the big bad wolf that need fixing is spec renting. Personally I don’t think solving of spec renting will do much if anything for the overall availability.

If I can’t spec renting value rooms okay then 5 owners at AKV will get a value room - or wait maybe 4 owners already do and brokers or owners are only spec renting or walking 1 reservation. Then the number is 1 additional AKV owner can get a value room. Regardless of the number only 5 owners can get a room.
Same story with BWV.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread I was able to get a BWV studio SV for late May (10 nights) less than 60 days out. I actually held a 3 nights reservation in a value too that I also booked less than 60 days out. I end up cancelling the value as I didn’t want to change rooms.

I’ve only been a member for 10 years and DVC have never let me down(yet) I’ve always been able to get what I wanted.

Yeah, I think our thinking is pretty much in line. I’m certainly not saying that there won’t be a slight change, but it won’t be on the magnitude that will keep people happy. I understand there’s people who just want rules followed, and I also agree with that position, but I don’t think it’s gonna solve their problem.

I’m of the opinion that some mistakes were made on the earlier resorts, and Disney will fix that in 2042.

 

[WinterSolider]

Well, it will eventually become true for many simply through the passage of time.

If by "no kids" you accept the dual meaning of never having had them & those that do but the children are of adult age and have moved on/out.

Personally, I am looking forward to the DINK period. My wife and I can go to Epcot and enjoy it at our pace. Food & Wine Festival 2031 here we come!

I have never heard "DINK" used to refer to empty-nesters.

 

[kilik64]

Should use DINKAH instead?

Dual Income No Kids At Home

 

[Mouseforward]

To many, it's disheartening to miss out on the room you wanted - you were online early, had your search all set up, etc., only for the room to be sniped from you. And then, you see it for rent on a broker site.

Why spend all the money to buy in if you can just rent the room from a broker? No worrying about refreshing right at 8AM, no paying dues, just let the brokers and their bots book the room for you.

I absolutely agree, and believe me that same thought goes through my head every time I miss out on the standard view. And yes, emotionally I curse the commercial renters. However, then the logical side takes over and realizes they’re just aren’t enough cookies for everyone to get one.

 

[muppets3d]

It won’t. At least not at BWV and AKV.

Some here tend to believe that the big bad wolf that need fixing is spec renting. Personally I don’t think solving of spec renting will do much if anything for the overall availability.

If I can’t spec renting value rooms okay then 5 owners at AKV will get a value room - or wait maybe 4 owners already do and brokers or owners are only spec renting or walking 1 reservation. Then the number is 1 additional AKV owner can get a value room. Regardless of the number only 5 owners can get a room.
Same story with BWV.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread I was able to get a BWV studio SV for late May (10 nights) less than 60 days out. I actually held a 3 nights reservation in a value too that I also booked less than 60 days out. I end up cancelling the value as I didn’t want to change rooms.

I’ve only been a member for 10 years and DVC have never let me down(yet) I’ve always been able to get what I wanted.

There are 18 value studios but still, there are far more owners than there are value studios.

The difference is all of the brokers want value studios because they are easy to rent.

Not all owners want them. Many owners want savanna view studios or 3 bedroom grand villas or whatever.

So when the brokers are nixed, things will change. If nothing else, we won't be competing with brokers who own thousands of points and can afford to keep the rooms locked up in walks year-round, equipped with bots to pick up the rooms they leave behind in their walks to spec rent.

Still, there will be owners every morning who don't get the value studio they wanted. That's just how it is.

But at least that value studio you wanted won't be listed for rent on a broker's website, it'll be in the hands of a fellow member. To me, that's important. Maybe not to everyone.

 

[WinterSolider]

Should use DINKAH instead?

Dual Income No Kids At Home

I'm a SITCOM.

Single income, three children, oppressive mortgage.

 

[Judique]

I'm a SITCOM.

Single income, three children, oppressive mortgage.

All choices!

I was a SITCOM for almost all my working years, with the same parameters.

Finally retired, 2 gone and married with children, one still with me but in no way dependent.

Not sure I can switch to being called an empty nester though.

 

[xdan0920]

900 points available for rent, experienced renter with a breakdown of added costs to walk.

But they aren’t an LLC so it’s all kosher.

 

[muppets3d]

900 points available for rent, experienced renter with a breakdown of added costs to walk.

But they aren’t an LLC so it’s all kosher.

Yeah I don't see how anybody could see things like that and decide it is purely personal use and not a pattern of regular or frequent renting.

But yet until DVC decides to tap on their shoulder, it's pointless to get twisted up about it.

 

[muppets3d]

I can sort of understand why posts like that are allowed here, DVC doesn't have a set rule about it. Or at least they do but people use mental gymnastics to tell themselves that they aren't regular or frequent renters of their points.

But DVC does have a set rule about accepting money for points transfers that is black and white clear as crystal, and those are allowed here. That doesn't make any sense to me.