DVC T &C Personal Use - Only Thread to Discuss!

[VGCgroupie]

No, my stance is the same. Personal use membership is using your membership for the primary reason of vacations for yourself, family and friends and renters.

Commercial use membership is using it primarily or solely to rent for the sole reason to make money.

If the majority of an owner’s points are being used by then and/or family and friends, and the rest are rentals, I don’t think that level of rentals should be seen as frequent or regular enough to be classified as a commerical membership

How many points an owner has plays a role to for me.

Someone with 300 or 500 points, who rents half to cover their dues, shouldn’t be considered a commerical membership because the amount of money they are earning isn’t high enough to say they are in it to make money. It’s to get free vacations.

But an owner who has 4000 points and rents half to cover dues? I can see at that being enough to trigger DVC saying it’s commercial, even though the % is the same.

And I have a feeling DVC to take this same approach or they would have given us thresholds like they did in 2008

The words frequent and regular can be defined by DVC now any way they want to trigger their decision.

What frequent and regular looks like
to one owner may not be the same to someone else…

We know the only persons definition is DVC and, as I said, I believe it’s going to be applied based on each owner’s patterns.

Thanks. We will see if @Mouseforward comes at you in the same manner they came at me since you and I have the same interpretation of DVC’s use of the words personal use.

 

[Mouseforward]

Thanks. We will see if @Mouseforward comes at you in the same manner they came at me since you and I have the same interpretation of DVC’s use of the words personal use.

I think the big difference between you and her is @Sandisw doesn’t make herself the rental police and accuse members on here of excessively renting.

I agree 100% with what she said, and I’ve never stated anything other than that.

What I have and will do is question if this language change it is it a sign of future restrictions.

 

[Sandisw]

Your post seemed to be viewing resale restrictions and commercial renting in the same light.

Okay. I was referring to my feelings toward them. I am indifferent to both.

I simply don’t worry about things I can’t control. I can’t control what another owner does with their points…and another owner doesn’t control what I do.

I don’t control DVD and whether they do or do not want restrictions.

What they decide for commerical isn’t really relevant for me because I’m not in this for that and I know DVC can define it

My only expectation is that the guidelines for what counts as acceptable rentals by owners to keep them in line of personal use are reasonable.

 

[Cyberc1978]

The words frequent and regular can be defined by DVC now any way they want to trigger their decision.

What frequent and regular looks like
to one owner may not be the same to someone else…

We know the only persons definition is DVC and, as I said, I believe it’s going to be applied based on each owner’s patterns.

Well IMO it should be the same for all owners.

That’s why a hard number like 20 was easy to understand and it applied to all owners. If some owners worked around that with LLC’s or used other shenanigans then THATs what should have been addressed.

IF the new rules can be 1 set for you and another set for me then we are in for a ride which can only end badly at some point.

 

[VGCgroupie]

I think the big difference between you and her is @Sandisw doesn’t make herself the rental police and accused members on here of excessively renting.

I agree 100% with what she said, and I’ve never stated anything other than that.

What I have and will do is question if this language change it is it a sign of future restrictions.

You explicitly stated DVC changed the words on the terms and now you are backtracking.

Again do you know what gold means? Doug is advertising and not hiding that he rents I didn’t need to accuse him.

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

So you’re still gonna have exactly the same amount of people going after the hard to get rooms. They’re not going after them cause they’re a renter or owner. They’re going after them because they’re the most popular room.

You seem to be having trouble understanding that certain kinds of room are much more popular with the people trying to max profit than they are with the general DVC population, and that the for profit renters have found ways to capture the vast majority of them. If you eliminate the people focused on a certain room (who capture almost all of them) and replace them with randomly distributed owners who only book for themselves, those room types will become more available for the many owners who only want them 2-10 nights a year instead of every night of the year.

 

[Mouseforward]

You explicitly stated DVC changed the words on the terms and now you are backtracking.

Again do you know what gold means? Doug is advertising and not hiding that he rents I didn’t need to accuse him.

That’s because they did add a new definition of what is personal use hence this entire thread.

Yeah, you didn’t need to but you chose to anyway

 

[Mouseforward]

You seem to be having trouble understanding that certain kinds of room are much more popular with the people trying to max profit than they are with the general DVC population, and that the for profit renters have found ways to capture the vast majority of them. If you eliminate the people focused on a certain room (who capture almost all of them) and replace them with randomly distributed owners who only book for themselves, those room types will become more available for the many owners who only want them 2-10 nights a year instead of every night of the year.

What is an example of a room that is popular with renters that is not popular with the general DVC population?

 

[Sandisw]

Ok but this is anecdotal because the opposite can be true, as well. And probably is just as common. Canceling out your 3 contracts is someone buying 2-3. How many members in the ROFR thread have we seen by multiple smaller/medium contracts at the same resort? A lot. They want more points but the safety and initial price of smaller contracts, that’s why smaller contracts are popular not so they can explicitly book 2-3 nights at the cheapest rooms.

I just don’t believe the numbers of actual owners at BWV or CVV or AKV has changed so dramatically to have such a strong and noticeable effect. There’s simpler and more obvious answers.

That’s what great here in that we all get to evaluate the situation and decide what is and is not a major factor.

Some think it’s rentals and some of us think demand and DVDs decisions play a bigger role.

 

[AstroBlasters]

You explicitly stated DVC changed the words on the terms and now you are backtracking.

Again do you know what gold means? Doug is advertising and not hiding that he rents I didn’t need to accuse him.

Random Post meant to lighten the mood:
(not rentals, all family stays)

 

[VGCgroupie]

Random Post meant to lighten the mood:
(not rentals, all family stays)

So exciting!! Let me know your grand villa number at Aulani and if you liked it so I can request that one when I go in August.

 

[davidhr]

Random Post meant to lighten the mood:
(not rentals, all family stays)

Not in the market for points right now, but if some owner who’s renting commercially wants to drop their Aulani contracts for cheap, I’m here to take it!

Planning my next year trip and not loving the wait until 7 months out to book

 

[VGCgroupie]

That’s because they did add a new definition of what is personal use hence this entire thread.

Yeah, you didn’t need to but you chose to anyway

I’m done with you. I’m not wasting anymore time arguing with someone who adds an extra L in Poly.

The test case for this was Polly before the tower, it was one of the easiest places to get a room, because despite the bungalows being a bit of a point sink they had sufficient studio inventory for the owners.

 

[Mouseforward]

I’m done with you. I’m not wasting anymore time arguing with someone who adds an extra L in Poly.

Yeah that is about what I expected from you.

 

[Wakey]

Correct…but isn’t that what is at issue?

We all know what the obvious ones are. If someone is an owner of 8000 points or part of many LLCs, and they are renting 1000s of points every year, that clearly someone in it for commerical reason.

It’s the less obvious situations. Remember, DVC has said we can use our membership occasionally for family and friends

Rentals and guests don’t look different from their side.

So, whatever they do, they need to make sure they don’t penalize an owner who isn’t renting but may be booking family and friends.

They didnt make this black and white because they want to be able to define frequent or regular any way they want.

So, it did add context and now we all get to decide as owners what counts as infrequently
When making reservations that might be rentals until DVC tells us we crossed the line.

DVC go further, the website specifically says “Members may rent their vacation points.” Nothing about family and friends.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Yeah that is about what I expected from you.

Not a typo either

 

[Mouseforward]

Not a typo either

Keep posting, your showing your true character

 

[Sandisw]

The question though is what is frequently and regularly. The dictionary definition of frequently is " often; many times; at short intervals."

What is a short interval, once a week, once a month, once a year, once every 5 years. I have no idea. Everyone here has a different idea.

Unfortunately, this is what DVC wants. But, I agree
with you.

Just in this subset of owners, we don’all agree what that means in the context of number of rentals.

So, as an owner, we are all going to have to apply our own interpretation and take it from there.

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

What is an example of a room that is popular with renters that is not popular with the general DVC population?

If you read my post a little more carefully, you will see it’s not about popular v unpopular rooms, it’s about the proportion of each group (spec renters v owners) that are trying to (to say nothing about the disproportionate rates of succeeding at!) getting them.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Keep posting, your showing your true character

No apologies.