DVC T &C Personal Use - Only Thread to Discuss.

[tx911]

Have you read the whole thread? Renting infrequently when the need arises IS PERSONAL USE. It has always been allowed and is still allowed so the words did not change.

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[Sykes]

But now it’s changed to be any reservation that isn’t personal. Words mean something it wasn’t an accident.

The text "Purchase of an Ownership Interest or use of the Vacation Homes and facilities of the Lake Buena Vista Resort for commercial purposes (excluding use by the TWDC Companies) or for any purpose other than the personal use described in this Public Offering Statement is expressly prohibited" (or similar for other resorts) has been in the POS for at least a decade. (The earliest POS I have handy is from OKW in 2013 and it's in there, but it's a safe bet it's been around much longer.)

The restriction isn't new, there's just new language that helps clarify or explain how Disney intends to enforce the personal use restriction that has been there since the beginning. And, to be clear, some rentals definitely are allowed under the personal use guidelines.

 

[MerlinandtheMouse]

When I owned BLT, I had 3 50 point contracts…

I sold those to three different owners who were all first time owners. So, you know had two extra owners trying for BLT rooms but with the same number of points.

And that is what we have seen over the years with BWV especially…a lot of owners buying those smaller contracts for the sole purpose of RV.

So, while points stay set, if there are more owners with smaller contracts, more competition.

I mean it’s amazing to me you have people buying some of those resorts direct but they do it because they want it for specific stays.

I just posted about BLT but it has…a lot more BWV owners now then before because they bought the smaller contracts on the resale market.

And, there are still owners adding in direct for that same reason.

If someone owns BWV and decides to sell one of their contracts but not all, that creates a second owner when it used to be just one.

DVCs allowing new owners to buy with as little as 75 points years ago has contributed to it.

Of course, rentals are impacting things but many of DVCs own decisions have as well.

Ok but this is anecdotal because the opposite can be true, as well. And probably is just as common. Canceling out your 3 contracts is someone buying 2-3. How many members in the ROFR thread have we seen by multiple smaller/medium contracts at the same resort? A lot. They want more points but the safety and initial price of smaller contracts, that’s why smaller contracts are popular not so they can explicitly book 2-3 nights at the cheapest rooms.

I just don’t believe the numbers of actual owners at BWV or CVV or AKV has changed so dramatically to have such a strong and noticeable effect. There’s simpler and more obvious answers.

 

[Mouseforward]

Have you read the whole thread? Renting infrequently when the need arises IS PERSONAL USE. It has always been allowed and is still allowed so the words did not change.

And they added what terms to that? This entire thread is because they added a new sentence. But of course you’re not really arguing in good faith.

 

[MB_01]

Do we actually know if people are using bots to rent rooms or is this an urban legend?

I don’t “know” anything personally but it is actually shockingly easy to do.

I was writing up instructions but started thinking I might get in trouble?

 

[VGCgroupie]

And they added what terms to that? This entire thread is because they added a new sentence. But of course you’re not really arguing in good faith.

The pos is exactly the same. They just added terms to be agreed to when booking.

Not arguing in good faith? What exactly are you trying to insinuate?

 

[tx911]

Have you read the whole thread? Renting infrequently when the need arises IS PERSONAL USE. It has always been allowed and is still allowed so the words did not change.

Actual photo of members who are using their membership for personal use:

 

[DougEMG]

Apologize for what exactly? These boards do not represent where 99% of the commercial renting is happening. Apologize?

I would say that these boards are a pretty poor place to rent if you are trying to maximize your profit on a rental. When I look most rentals here are in the $16-$20 range.

 

[VGCgroupie]

I would say that these boards are a pretty poor place to rent if you are trying to maximize your profit on a rental. When I look most rentals here are in the $16-$20 range.

Yes because confirmed spec rentals aren’t allowed. But @Mouseforward wanted to use this board listings only to try and prove their point.

 

[DougEMG]

I rented 18pts BWV standard studio in 2024 for $38pp and the broker was STILL able to tack on another $5pp for themselves. $43pp!!! What cost the renter $400/nt and I got around $360/nt for a Mon and Tues in May. FB listings keep the whole thing for themselves.

As a BWV owner I was not sad to see the 9pt nights increased to 10. That was offset by reducing many 12pt nights to 11pts, altogether increasing the 10-11pt/nts thru the year (close to 90nts iirc). Still a darling of commercial renters but I think at least helped spread demand.

Not sure what the final outcome is for BWV. If walking and spec renting were curtailed on top of better point chart balancing and made a positive impact to personal usage, I’d buy more points. My guess is the chapter that comes after this is point washing. And point trusts, where owners get access to more than one home resort before full trading opens.

Okay, I really need to put more effort into renting out my BWV points ! Does it then count as giving them away at $20/point.

 

[xdan0920]

My comment was more about the idea of people being ok with things “hurting” their value.

I don’t see it as hurting my value. My value is in my personal stays, not some hypothetical resale value x years in the future.

The contract does give owners the right to rent points, so you are 100% wrong. What is in question is how many points and how often you can rent your points.

Don’t rent frequently and/or regularly and you’re fine.

 

[Mouseforward]

Yes because confirmed spec rentals aren’t allowed. But @Mouseforward wanted to use this board listings only to try and prove their point.

It’s very legitimate to say that a board like this is going rate - why would you pay more when tons of people here and on Facebook are renting at 16 to 20 a point.

Just because there’s fools out there who will pay rack rate renting points it doesn’t mean that’s the going rate. People rent points because it’s cheaper than paying Disney prices.

 

[VGCgroupie]

It’s very legitimate to say that a board like this is going rate - why would you pay more when tons of people here and on Facebook are renting at 16 to 20 a point.

Just because there’s fools out there who will pay rack rate renting points it doesn’t mean that’s the going rate. People rent points because it’s cheaper than paying Disney prices.

The difference is confirmed reservations are often high demand resorts on high value days and they always rent for more then someone just renting “points”. Re read my comment and see that confirmed reservations are not really allowed on these boards so it’s not an accurate representation of what the commercial renting market actually is.

 

[DougEMG]

This is very interesting to hear, thank you for sharing. I guess the difference I see is that you broke a bright line rule in place at the time. For whatever reason, it’s not so bright this time.

I totally admitted to DVC that I broke the rule and that I thought it was 20 reservation in a year. Once aware of the rules I followed them without trying to find ways to get around them.

What I dislike is rules changing mid game and rules being completely so vague, that one has no idea if they are following them or not. I totally get that this is of course the point now to scare everyone who may want to rent.

 

[Mouseforward]

The difference is confirmed reservations are often high demand resorts on high value days and they always rent for more than someone just renting “points”. Re read my comment and see that confirmed reservations are not really allowed on these boards so it’s not an accurate representation of what the commercial renting market actually is.

I don’t think you can define the whole renting market as spec rentals on high value days. Many people won’t touch Disney on high value days.

I think the greater rental market is more geared towards the let me price shop a Disney hotel room for what’s available via renting points person.

 

[VGCgroupie]

I totally admitted to DVC that I broke the rule and that I thought it was 20 reservation in a year. Once aware of the rules I followed them without trying to find ways to get around them.

What I dislike is rules changing mid game and rules being completely so vague, that one has no idea if they are following them or not. I totally get that this is of course the point now to scare everyone who may want to rent.

Can we just be honest Doug? How many points do you rent a year? There’s a very good reason why you want a hard number, you rent more than you should.

 

[Mouseforward]

Can we just be honest Doug? How many points do you rent a year? There’s a very good reason why you want a hard number, you rent more than you should.

Yes, Doug because she makes the rules for Disney and you have to go by her standards. Otherwise you’re an evil renter. Of course she posted this on a board that’s pretty much totally funded by a company renting points. But that is of course lost to her.

 

[Cyberc1978]

I totally admitted to DVC that I broke the rule and that I thought it was 20 reservation in a year. Once aware of the rules I followed them without trying to find ways to get around them.

What I dislike is rules changing mid game and rules being completely so vague, that one has no idea if they are following them or not. I totally get that this is of course the point now to scare everyone who may want to rent.

I feel the same way.

I would hate if I one year rent x points and that’s apparently allowed but the next year or the year after it’s suddenly not allowed. And why? Because somebody at DVC decided to think otherwise.

It’s like if our speed limits are limited to “not too fast” police get to have the final saying and decide when someone is in breach.

How on earth should people know if they are driving too fast or not. One day 35 is okay, tomorrow it’s not.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Yes, Doug because she makes the rules for Disney and you have to go by her standards. Otherwise you’re an evil renter. Of course she posted this on a board that’s pretty much totally funded by a company renting points. But that is of course lost to her.

The key difference is the company funding the board isn’t the owner of the points they rent. You clearly have no clue what Disney is trying to stop. Yet here you are rambling on anyway like your opinion is fact when it’s not.

Do you know what the gold logo under Doug’s name means?

I’m not setting the rules. I’m not the only person on this board that knows Doug owns a ton of points and rents a ton of points. Doug is nervous for a reason and it has nothing to do with me.

 

[DougEMG]

I would love it if Disney offered an $18pp rental program for members and included the ability to swap that into park tickets, hard ticket events, dining cards, Disney+ credit etc.

Sign me up.