DVC Survey

[Cfabar1]

without first formally changing the existing applicable Home Resort Priority period to a shorter period, which can never be less than a month.

I think we are saying the same thing. I believe Disney does have the right to do that, though it would require them creating a change to do so.

 

[J-Dog]

A. The first survey question clearly says at select resorts and pending availability. They could use undeclared inventory at new resorts (which they may have quite a bit of if they keep building) in order to afford this. Pay an extra fee to book DVCs own rooms in addition to the units declared to the members. That's basically how welcome home stays work and they have been doing those for a loooong time. Or they can just enable it in the contracts and documents of the newer resorts going forward and that would still be "select" resorts.

I agree with you on this point, and I think that the key wording is "pending availability". If they were just creating a new booking window illegally, then "availability" wouldn't be an issue, since everything would always be available at >11 months out. But if they are utilizing other unused points, then "availability" would obviously be at least something they would need to account for.

Kinda scary, IMO...

 

[BrianLa]

I agree with you on this point, and I think that the key wording is "pending availability". If they were just creating a new booking window illegally, then "availability" wouldn't be an issue, since everything would always be available at >11 months out. But if they are utilizing other unused points, then "availability" would obviously be at least something they would need to account for.

Kinda scary, IMO...

As I posted earlier in this board, I believe this is truly about allowing non-declared rooms at new resorts to be swapped for your points plus some amount of cash. Your points are not technically being used at 12 months to book a DVC room but instead you are trading your points to DVC for some cash value to book a non-declared room. Those non-declared rooms are already available for cash reservations and do not impact inventory of rooms that are declared already for DVC bookings.

WRT HHI - I think this is about them being able to ROFR HHI contracts at low prices. Then they can trade those “cheep” points to you for your “expensive” points at the newer resorts. All this is while they a providing a “benefit” to direct membership.

 

[emchen]

As I posted earlier in this board, I believe this is truly about allowing non-declared rooms at new resorts to be swapped for your points plus some amount of cash. Your points are not technically being used at 12 months to book a DVC room but instead you are trading your points to DVC for some cash value to book a non-declared room. Those non-declared rooms are already available for cash reservations and do not impact inventory of rooms that are declared already for DVC bookings.

WRT HHI - I think this is about them being able to ROFR HHI contracts at low prices. Then they can trade those “cheep” points to you for your “expensive” points at the newer resorts. All this is while they a providing a “benefit” to direct membership.

This post boils it down nicely for us non-legal minds.

 

[Carouselofplanning]

The last president of DVC was an accountant. D’Amaro moved her out of the role after less than 3 years. With accountant executives, the spreadsheet is usually the starting point and end point of all decisions and unfortunately the victim of that approach is often experience/quality. It’s hard to measure how a better value and experience for customers benefits the company long term. Much easier to say x tactic will yield y results in the next 1-3 years.

I was optimistic with the new executive that took over earlier this year who has more of an experience and operational background. Seems like the shenanigans may not be over though. I remain hopeful there’s a better big picture view now but it’s been dented with a dopey survey like this.

*Updating this post as it’s unclear online whether she isn’t overseeing DVC anymore or if she was just given a new boss. If she’s still in her post then, well, accountants are going to accountant.

 

[CVG]

Never underestimate TWDC desire to extract more money from your wallet. They have completely lost focus on what matters.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Cant believe nobody else here got the survey. I really wanted to see all the questions so I could theorize what was behind them.

 

[Girlstar30]

Cant believe nobody else here got the survey. I really wanted to see all the questions so I could theorize what was behind them.

I would post if I got it, but they dont care about cheap resale opinion

 

[patm95]

I would post if I got it, but they dont care about cheap resale opinion

We’ve got direct and resale and crickets

 

[Girlstar30]

We’ve got direct and resale and crickets

That opinion should matter most, people willing to pay more if the incentive is there

 

[lowlight]

Maybe we’ve been baited. OP hasn’t been back in days.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Maybe we’ve been baited. OP hasn’t been back in days.

I may have agreed but there is a screenshot.

 

[OKW Lover]

Never underestimate TWDC desire to extract more money from your wallet. They have completely lost focus on what matters.

Seems to me that their focus is exactly where it should be

 

[Girlstar30]

Did anyone else here receive that survey??

 

[Genie+]

Could this be related to how the trust will/can operate?

This was my first thought.

Between these questions and the questions on a previous survey, looks like they’re toying with selling a model that gives more than one home resort to book at 11 months and the ability to book at 12 months. Currently you’d need to buy a fixed week for 12 month booking. What if instead of needing to buy and spend the extra 10% of points to do that, you only need to pay extra the years it matters to you. And not be limited to one specific week. If inventory was limited the way Fixed Weeks are (at 35% I think?) then it wouldn’t be drastically different than what already exists.

 

[Girlstar30]

This was my first thought.

Between these questions and the questions on a previous survey, looks like they’re toying with selling a model that gives more than one home resort to book at 11 months and the ability to book at 12 months. Currently you’d need to buy a fixed week for 12 month booking. What if instead of needing to buy and spend the extra 10% of points to do that, you only need to pay extra the years it matters to you. And not be limited to one specific week. If inventory was limited the way Fixed Weeks are (at 35% I think?) then it wouldn’t be drastically different than what already exists.

I agree and think that this is going to be for new things moving forward and non trust wont be messed with. But direct now would still be affected for newer resorts possibly and thats lame

 

[Genie+]

I agree and think that this is going to be for new things moving forward and non trust wont be messed with. But direct now would still be affected for newer resorts possibly and thats lame

It’s been speculated how a trust model could work, one possibility being by selling separately declared inventory. I dunno but with Lakeshore coming along, it’s possible sales could open within a year. Riviera opened Dec 2019 but sales started March 2019. I’m going to wildly speculate What if LSL had an option to buy under a trust model, where they also put currently undeclared inventory at PVB, CFW and VDH, plus whatever they’re thinking to do with HHI?

 

[Girlstar30]

It’s been speculated how a trust model could work, one possibility being by selling separately declared inventory. I dunno but with Lakeshore coming along, it’s possible sales could open within a year. Riviera opened Dec 2019 but sales started March 2019. I’m going to wildly speculate What if LSL had an option to buy under a trust model, where they also put currently undeclared inventory at PVB, CFW and VDH, plus whatever they’re thinking to do with HHI?

That would be a good idea for us and shouldnt piss everyone off. They could milk cfw for years.

If vdh Disneyland forward actually does expand the park to vdh it will probably sell fast and I think Poly may be too popular for that to be worth it to them, why not just sell rooms cash.

I think thats why theyre floating around an older resort like HHI, cant get as much cash from guests there and vero so why not think of some other way to make $$

 

[Carouselofplanning]

That would be a good idea for us and shouldnt piss everyone off. They could milk cfw for years.

If vdh Disneyland forward actually does expand the park to vdh it will probably sell fast and I think Poly may be too popular for that to be worth it to them, why not just sell rooms cash.

I think thats why theyre floating around an older resort like HHI, cant get as much cash from guests there and vero so why not think of aome other way to make $$

I think they need to stop making their main focus how to discourage resales and work on just making a good product and sell it for what it’s actually worth. There are perks to direct & they can add more to entice buyers but the obsession with harming an entire loyal customer base to drive direct sales is just psychotic corporate greed.

 

[daisyduck2]

Maybe we’ve been baited. OP hasn’t been back in days.

Still here. I provided a screenshot of part of the survey as well as the email received.
I posted as I was concerned with the proposed changes and wondered if anyone else had received the email. Not baiting anyone.