DVC resale changes coming!?!

[disneynutz]

Just to be clear, if you buy a contract via the resale market, you will still be able to use those points (at 7 months) to stay at another DVC resort. You will also be able to use them for a trade via RCI or the Lake Buena Vista Trading Company.

At this time, you cannot use points acquired via the resale market to pay for

• Non-DVC Disney Resorts at DL or WDW,
• Crusiing
• Anything in the Concierge Collection
• Adventurers By Disney

Most people think that using points for the options not allowed are not good values anyway because in almost all cases, there are less expensive ways to purchase those options. But it does depend on how you value your points. Many believe them to be worth at least $10 each, because that is a common price for rental points.

HTH.

To add, booking is subject to availability, there may be less availability at 7 months.

The above restrictions are subject to change at anytime by Disney. Prior to march, these restrictions didn't exist.

Bill

 

[Missyrose]

Thanks. Yes the cruise to me doesnt work using points because we book our next cruise onboard get 10% off and the $100 onboard credit. Its disney I am interested in not interested in RCI but I do want to buy from Disney direct. Just a personal preference. We already own at SSR but I didnt realise they still sold other resorts. I thought we would have to add on at AKV or BLT. So am pleased!

I'm genuinely curious, if you're not planning to use your points for any of the resale-restricted options, what is pulling you toward buying direct?

 

[Paula Sedley-Burke]

I feel that the extra money is worth my peace of mind. I would want resort hopping rights if poss. I know disney can change any of us but we feel it is less likely to do this on direct purchase. Its just my own view though. I completely understand why others do resale. I am very ill and as such want the least stressful option. Plus we like the disney experience of buying. I know they have said the resort hopping rights would be grandfathered by current resales going through now but who knows. What if they dont. The dvc purchase no matter how cheap would then be worth a lot less to us as we like a few resorts. So I personally in my current position feel its best to not take that risk.

 

[bighoo93]

I feel that the extra money is worth my peace of mind. I would want resort hopping rights if poss. I know disney can change any of us but we feel it is less likely to do this on direct purchase. Its just my own view though. I completely understand why others do resale. I am very ill and as such want the least stressful option. Plus we like the disney experience of buying. I know they have said the resort hopping rights would be grandfathered by current resales going through now but who knows. What if they dont. The dvc purchase no matter how cheap would then be worth a lot less to us as we like a few resorts. So I personally in my current position feel its best to not take that risk.

A lot of people just feel more comfortable/secure dealing directly with Disney. From what I understand, it is a simpler and more streamlined process.

But I would say the view of security in future rights is probably shared by quite a few people. And it illustrates why Guides have an incentive to drop the line about potential changes, even if the company has no real intention whatsoever of doing it. Just a hint of a notion of an idea of a possible threat can be enough to drive direct sales.

 

[z28wiz]

Just some info on the cruise. If you call DVC member services within 3 days of coming home from your cruise you get a savings of 10% of the total point amount and I believe the OBB credit as well.

Thanks. Yes the cruise to me doesnt work using points because we book our next cruise onboard get 10% off and the $100 onboard credit. Its disney I am interested in not interested in RCI but I do want to buy from Disney direct. Just a personal preference. We already own at SSR but I didnt realise they still sold other resorts. I thought we would have to add on at AKV or BLT. So am pleased!

 

[Paula Sedley-Burke]

A lot of people just feel more comfortable/secure dealing directly with Disney. From what I understand, it is a simpler and more streamlined process.

But I would say the view of security in future rights is probably shared by quite a few people. And it illustrates why Guides have an incentive to drop the line about potential changes, even if the company has no real intention whatsoever of doing it. Just a hint of a notion of an idea of a possible threat can be enough to drive direct sales.

I must admit I did consider resale at one time but this has put me off. So if disney just throw the rumour out their to increase the bargaining power of dvc sales staff or to get us running back to the dvc sales centre I am guilty of being suckered in lol. When we bought the points it was such a great experience. Then we added on additional at SSR again a great experience. If I pay over the odds for that security guilty as charged! With my health I take fewer and fewer risks these days. But for those who are braver than I good luck to ya! Hope it works out. We all share the same passion for disney and want to go back

 

[bighoo93]

I must admit I did consider resale at one time but this has put me off. So if disney just throw the rumour out their to increase the bargaining power of dvc sales staff or to get us running back to the dvc sales centre I am guilty of being suckered in lol. When we bought the points it was such a great experience. Then we added on additional at SSR again a great experience. If I pay over the odds for that security guilty as charged! With my health I take fewer and fewer risks these days. But for those who are braver than I good luck to ya! Hope it works out. We all share the same passion for disney and want to go back

Don't think of yourself as a sucker, it isn't true. You made a rational decision based on your own circumstances.

It is common shorthand (and I may be guilty of this as well) to claim that you pay extra for the same thing when you purchase direct from DVC (plus the ability to use points for certain collections). But that isn't strictly true. You do get additional benefits by purchasing direct, it is only a question of how much an individual values them. You are purchasing security, confidence, peace of mind, comfort, convenience, etc. These are real. You chose to buy them. So do many (most?) others. Nothing wrong with that at all.

 

[Paula Sedley-Burke]

Don't think of yourself as a sucker, it isn't true. You made a rational decision based on your own circumstances.

It is common shorthand (and I may be guilty of this as well) to claim that you pay extra for the same thing when you purchase direct from DVC (plus the ability to use points for certain collections). But that isn't strictly true. You do get additional benefits by purchasing direct, it is only a question of how much an individual values them. You are purchasing security, confidence, peace of mind, comfort, convenience, etc. These are real. You chose to buy them. So do many (most?) others. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Thank you so much for your kind words! It made me really think. We do get security, confidence, peace of mind, comfort and convenience. That is a true value to us right now with my health. Life is hard enough! Plus of course the ice cream in the sales centre and the fast pass lol.

 

[Dean]

I feel that the extra money is worth my peace of mind. I would want resort hopping rights if poss. I know disney can change any of us but we feel it is less likely to do this on direct purchase. Its just my own view though. I completely understand why others do resale. I am very ill and as such want the least stressful option. Plus we like the disney experience of buying. I know they have said the resort hopping rights would be grandfathered by current resales going through now but who knows. What if they dont. The dvc purchase no matter how cheap would then be worth a lot less to us as we like a few resorts. So I personally in my current position feel its best to not take that risk.

It's your choice what/where you buy, my goal is to make sure you have the information. I sense a false sense of security related to a retail purchase and an equally false concern related to resale. It is my opinion that DVC cannot in any way restrict resort hopping or reservation windows differently between the 2 groups for the current resorts. All they can do is to take away peripheral options from resale buyers and add those options in for retail buyers. In essence, and as I read your posts, you'd be buying a very expensive insurance policy for issues that aren't a risk anyway. I'd suggest you reconsider and maybe buy less points. That way, if DVD later does something that catches you, you could always add on retail or follow any other procedures in place at a given time to convert over. If you're going to buy retail, may as well wait and get GF.

 

[luckyman_apd]

I feel that the extra money is worth my peace of mind. I would want resort hopping rights if poss. I know disney can change any of us but we feel it is less likely to do this on direct purchase. Its just my own view though. I completely understand why others do resale. I am very ill and as such want the least stressful option. Plus we like the disney experience of buying. I know they have said the resort hopping rights would be grandfathered by current resales going through now but who knows. What if they dont. The dvc purchase no matter how cheap would then be worth a lot less to us as we like a few resorts. So I personally in my current position feel its best to not take that risk.

I hear you. I don't judge where anyone purchased from. It's a personal/financial decision everyone needs to make. Purchasing direct also gives the option of financing directly through Disney. (it can be argued whether financing is worth it, but again, it's a personal decision).

When we first looked into purchasing it was going to be direct, but we decided we didn't want to spend that much money. When I started reading more here and looked into resale, it was a much more financial friendly decision, and while I don't like the idea of restrictions for the future, we did weigh in our decision of where to buy. I'm fully prepared to accept not being able to stay anywhere other than our home resort. Personally I do not think that Disney will ever change that, and if they do prior to whatever date will be grandfathered again. I am under no illusion and know that it is within their power to restrict me. For me, the decision was purely financial. Everyone has their own reasons.

 

[Paula Sedley-Burke]

I hear you. I don't judge where anyone purchased from. It's a personal/financial decision everyone needs to make. Purchasing direct also gives the option of financing directly through Disney. (it can be argued whether financing is worth it, but again, it's a personal decision).

When we first looked into purchasing it was going to be direct, but we decided we didn't want to spend that much money. When I started reading more here and looked into resale, it was a much more financial friendly decision, and while I don't like the idea of restrictions for the future, we did weigh in our decision of where to buy. I'm fully prepared to accept not being able to stay anywhere other than our home resort. Personally I do not think that Disney will ever change that, and if they do prior to whatever date will be grandfathered again. I am under no illusion and know that it is within their power to restrict me. For me, the decision was purely financial. Everyone has their own reasons.

Financial is a very sound reason indeed! I can see if you do not mind re resort hopping how resale is winner for you. But I do hope for everybody's sake they don't change the rules. We all love our Disney! Dont make it harder for us to come!

 

[PatMcDuck]

Ya know I heard the same this week from dvc not my normal guide but another guide I know. That will plummet the whole resale market. I would buy resale now as the guide advised you too.

I had the opposite reaction. Our only points are 200 at BCV. I think OUR resale value might stay the same, or even go up. Although, even if you love BCV, you might want the option of trying other resorts too.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Financial is a very sound reason indeed! I can see if you do not mind re resort hopping how resale is winner for you. But I do hope for everybody's sake they don't change the rules. We all love our Disney! Dont make it harder for us to come!

They always change the rules. It's a fact of life. All you are really guaranteed is staying at your home resort. But they probably won't stop allowing members to book other DVC resorts. But they could change the way we need to book.

 

[DizDragonfly]

Just to be clear, if you buy a contract via the resale market, you will still be able to use those points (at 7 months) to stay at another DVC resort. You will also be able to use them for a trade via RCI or the Lake Buena Vista Trading Company.

At this time, you cannot use points acquired via the resale market to pay for

• Non-DVC Disney Resorts at DL or WDW,
• Crusiing
• Anything in the Concierge Collection
• Adventurers By Disney

HTH.

Here's something I've been wondering for a while ...

We own at OKW (bought direct from Disney). If we were to buy another contract on the resale market, am I correct in thinking that the new contract's points would be subject to the restrictions above?

Thanks!

 

[Dean]

Here's something I've been wondering for a while ...

We own at OKW (bought direct from Disney). If we were to buy another contract on the resale market, am I correct in thinking that the new contract's points would be subject to the restrictions above?

Thanks!

The new points would be subject to the restrictions, the current qualified points would not be.

 

[DizDragonfly]

The new points would be subject to the restrictions, the current qualified points would not be.

Thanks for clarifying that for me. That's what I was assuming.

 

[Dean]

Thanks for clarifying that for me. That's what I was assuming.

You're welcome. Timeshare are always a moving target, even without this specific issue.

 

[bwvBound]

... based on what he said the purchase price is directly from DVC, I don't know how it would ever pay for itself.

Ah, perhaps we might again see the promotion of "free park admission when staying in a room booked on (qualified) DVC Points." If so, that perk might, for many, justify the escalating Retail prices? It sure would make existing owners glad to be grandfathered!

 

[nolanboys]

Ah, perhaps we might again see the promotion of "free park admission when staying in a room booked on (qualified) DVC Points." If so, that perk might, for many, justify the escalating Retail prices? It sure would make existing owners glad to be grandfathered!

Athough I know that will never happen, that is the only way I would ever buy direct.

 

[Lil' Grumpy]

..jousey~ since we're direct , it's no secret that
we would "lean" toward that direction. and of course, those
investing in resales will feel differently. at the beginning ,we
learn a lot from taking the member cruises & speaking
with original members. after the first dream cruise, we
met a couple that has been members since the start. they
were disappointed because they could not get on this
cruise. it really made me think how wrong this was,
when they allowed resales take up 3 rooms. what "is"
the primary objectives for dvc? i also think renting is
needing improve restrictions--going to several sites &
they all have this going on.

look @ the resales as a group..several here, tells what it
will take just to consider direct. while dvc largest "pool"
of newest direct buyers will come from direct owners &
their connections if they are given good reasons do so.
( foe example, we have people all the time seeking
our advice on buying).

to us, "getting what we want" is worth the extra costs.
but dvc needs to responds to better. in this system,
who deserves the preferences? very self evident.

we just visited aulani this past june. we came very, very
close toward adding another "3" contacts there. it is
that grand. to give others the right idea, think of the
grading of milk--skin, 1% , 2 % ,and whole. aulani is
above all~~"all chocolate"!

as for the the other comments- let me guess, pure resale?
"hey"~ though--if you want to see your resales as a ghetto
area that is up too you. i am hoping you wasn't projecting
your feelings though?

just by happenstance, i grew up very near a ghetto area.
where most bullys that used to try mugging the "weaker"
for their milk money. many now are doing hard time.
back then, having a bicycle made you a target. i had
a pre-teen pulled a knife trying to steal my bike-with
me on it. he didn't succeed. my dad took my older brother,
to this kid home, where he gave him & his 2 other brothers
an old/ fashioned thrashing. he never tried again-but it wasn't
until i was older,did i realized how dangerous that could have
been. thank god, i was quicker.

going back when our children were babies, we had to make
great sacrifices- just so they could experience wdw. there was
no staying on site. how nice that would have been. but that
lack of luxury ever effected our memories. my kids got
to experience wdw first handed. me & my siblings had only
a black & white tv. our memories came from our dreams
& the rare event of seeing the classics @ the local movie
house. we- me & my wife built our fortunes together-
where our first apartment wasn't as big as our current
home living room. if you went back in time, you still
wouldn't see us sneaking in the hotels or parking or all
the rest you can find others thinking they are "so cool". we
had no interest in intruding on things we did not paid for. why?
because it cheapens the memories. & we think these
memories are exactly that important.

yes, we can stay and buy multiple disney trips per year.
money is no longer any factor in our planning. but the
memories we made 20/30 years ago, are just as
precious. for ex., we didn't know there was a "baby-
center"--& i still can remember my wife whispering
she had forgotten the baby bag on the monorail.
what to do?--brought an extra long tee but @ the end
of the day... his first disney trip was b~naked.
we didn't buy any fancy autograph books instead we
used the free park guides.

i can't even imagine any on property, @ disney--being
compare to any ghetto. we do have friends that
could build their own disney world but they settle for
things like owning race tracks, & have no d~interests.
they still value their families & communities like the rest
of us.