DVC must stop rentals.....

[Sandisw]

They could at least get the seasons right (allowing for year-to-year Easter weirdness and whatnot), even if they didn't rebalance anything between or across units. They insist on pricing Summer like DVC members are cash guests, but DVC demand doesn't follow cash demand.

And that is what they have been doing. Remember it’s a 20% cap for change year to year for each use date so it can take several years to get to where one thinks it would need to be.

For example, say they want to get a room in 2022 to go from 16 to eventually. 23, it takes over two years to do that as they can’t do more then 3 points each year for that one night.

The charts have changed every year the past few to accomplish the shift from lowering summer to raise fall..

They even moved all if May to be better than it used to be. So the seasonal changes have happened

Easter is no longer almost 2 weeks in premium but one. So they are responding to even that out.

Just like they did back in 2010 when they made weekends less and weeknights more because of imbalance.

 

[xdan0920]

Where did the 7 and 11 month windows come from?

 

[Sandisw]

Where did the 7 and 11 month windows come from?

DVC decided to make those the booking windows. They get to create the rules for the home resort rules and regulations.

Per the POS, owners are guaranteed at least a one month booking advantage over other owners, but DVC has the right to amend that.

Same with the 7 month window for trades. That doesn’t have to be at 7 months.

It is why they have the ability to amend banking and borrowing limits too. That is part of their responsibility.

I believe the 11 months is the farthest it could be due to UYs.

 

[Marionnette]

And that could be by making non home resort point charts that charge more than for home resort owners.

Wouldn't that create breakage similar to the lock-off premium, favoring DVC and not the owners?

For instance let's use Jersey Week as an example and apply a 10% "upcharge" for non-home resorts. Mr. Smith wants to stay at VGF but owns at SSR. Ms.Jones owns at VGF and wants to stay at SSR. At 7 months they book a week in a standard studio at their desired resorts. A week at VGF for Mr. Smith will run 174 points (158 for a VGF owner) under my hypothetical 10% upcharge. Ms. Jones pays 114 points (104 for SSR owners). Total points used = 288. Yet if each had stayed in their own resort, the total number of points used would have been 262.

Sounds to me like charging more points for non-home resort bookings "creates" points out of nothing for DVC.

 

[xdan0920]

DVC decided to make those the booking windows. They get to create the rules for the home resort rules and regulations.

Per the POS, owners are guaranteed at least a one month booking advantage over other owners, but DVC has the right to amend that.

Same with the 7 month window for trades. That doesn’t have to be at 7 months.

It is why they have the ability to amend banking and borrowing limits too. That is part of their responsibility.

I believe the 11 months is the farthest it could be due to UYs.

Maybe the answer is to reduce that 7 months to 5 or something. Allow more time for home resort owners to book while also allowing for bookings closer to travel dates.

 

[Sandisw]

Wouldn't that create breakage similar to the lock-off premium, favoring DVC and not the owners?

For instance let's use Jersey Week as an example and apply a 10% "upcharge" for non-home resorts. Mr. Smith wants to stay at VGF but owns at SSR. Ms.Jones owns at VGF and wants to stay at SSR. At 7 months they book a week in a standard studio at their desired resorts. A week at VGF for Mr. Smith will run 174 points (158 for a VGF owner) under my hypothetical 10% upcharge. Ms. Jones pays 114 points (104 for SSR owners). Total points used = 288. Yet if each had stayed in their own resort, the total number of points used would have been 262.

Sounds to me like charging more points for non-home resort bookings "creates" points out of nothing for DVC.

It could but they are an exchange company and get to set the rules…similar in a way of how RCI or II sets the prices for rooms.

I honestly don’t see it happening because I think it would overly complicated things, but like I said, they could charge a fee if they wanted as well.

They have never gone that route and could have if they wanted to. But, I only mentioned it as an option that BVTC has if they felt they needed to do it for resorts that book much faster when trading vs others,

Some resorts have very few rooms left at 7 months, especially certain times of the year, and honestly, that is the way it should be becuase it means owners are booking their own resorts.

 

[Sandisw]

Maybe the answer is to reduce that 7 months to 5 or something. Allow more time for home resort owners to book while also allowing for bookings closer to travel dates.

They certainly could do that and if it’s something one would like feedback should be sent.

 

[Brian Noble]

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That’s Aulani, right? I think the one I read for SSR is more wishy-washy.

 

[AZMermaid]

I am 6 months out from my trip, and I can't get a full week in a studio anywhere. Disney has to stop the rental market, at least until the backlog of points clears. Members using their own points should have some availability at this point.

I just put Nov 11-18 (6 months from your post) in and I see studios at Saratoga, Vero and Aulani. If those aren’t your exact dates I’m wondering if you mean Nov 3-6. That’s marathon weekend and Jersey week. Marathon weekend studios always go super fast- even before 7 months.
Poly is available 10/31-11/6 though. OKW is almost fully available in one bedrooms which are about the same cost as the pricier studios.

or use this as your chance to go to Aulani or Vero

 

[wnielsen1]

That’s Aulani, right? I think the one I read for SSR is more wishy-washy.

Animal Kingdom Lodge from my add-on last December. Actually, it is the multi-site POS from that purchase.

 

[Sandisw]

Here is the language from RIV that discusses what I mentioned earlier but gives what your points must get you. It says I will always be eligible to book at least one Use day in a Standard View studio for every 20 points I own. This alone put limits on how high those rooms can go. It also indicates that those categories must always exist

ETA. And the home resort booking period does not need to be the same for every DVC resort. For example, they could decide that trades into RIV don’t happen until 4 months out but that trades to SSR could happen at 8 months.

 

[RoseGold]

The chart change I would like to see is a reasonably priced bungalow. Maybe somewhere between a 2BR and a GV. Those rooms would be constantly booked and make having poly points matter.

 

[crisi]

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Here is a question from someone who spent a lot of time in my career looking at contracts. Does the contract define balancing at any point? Because a lot of this depends on the definition of that word, and if it isn't defined in the contract, it can mean whatever Disney chooses (within reason). Moreover, my contract brain reads "their opportunities to use and enjoy the Vacation Homes and facilities at their Home Resort and at each other DVC Resort" as - well, there are one bedrooms available at seven months out that you could have booked if you got on the phone - that's sufficient opportunity to use and enjoy." There isn't anything in there that guarantees that you will be able to use studios or Grand Villas or VALK Club Rooms specifically or regularly.

(As me about ten rounds with Large Software Company in court over the word "use" when we never got the software to do what we were told it would do, which was in the RFP for it to do and then in the implementation contract as a deliverable.)

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Wasn't there a wacky priority thing early in the DVC era (OKW + 2042 resorts)?

 

[tjkraz]

Wasn't there a wacky priority thing early in the DVC era (OKW + 2042 resorts)?

I believe they used a lottery system for 11 month bookings during some peak demand dates like New Year's Eve. If that's what you're referring to.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

I believe they used a lottery system for 11 month bookings during some peak demand dates like New Year's Eve. If that's what you're referring to.

I believe that is what I was referring to, yes.

Obviously, wouldn't help the 6 month booking.

 

[tjkraz]

Maybe the answer is to reduce that 7 months to 5 or something. Allow more time for home resort owners to book while also allowing for bookings closer to travel dates.

That wouldn't be an awful change, especially now that ADRs are no longer bookable at 6 months. Owners who are pigeonholed at one resort due to resale restrictions would probably appreciate the added time.

But unless a change occurs, you gotta work within the system we have---and have had for 30+ years. Trying to book dates in-and-around Thanksgiving / Jersey Week / Marathon on 6 months notice is not a recipe for success. It also doesn't mean the system is broken.

I'm not a fan of people pre-booking dates for rental purposes but any fix on DVC's part will certainly harm non-renters to some degree. And it may prompt some renters to sell off points, which puts them in the hands of Average Joe who is also competing with you & me for reservations. Not much change in the end.

You're trying to book a room a full 5 months after reservations opened. Even if DVC could restrict rental activity, I'm skeptical that it would have helped you personally. The only solution is to book sooner.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

Some of those prices are so low they almost feel like fraud. Old Key West 1BR at $10/pt.?

Agreed, that is barely above OKW annual dues. I wouldn’t rent from that person, it’s too good to be true.

 

[808blessing]

I would like to see a lower limit of the amount of rentals per year. Is that possible with current POS?

 

[wnielsen1]

I would like to see a lower limit of the amount of rentals per year. Is that possible with current POS?

The problem is how do they know it is a rental. If I book a room for my sister to use (for free) and I am not going, then what? As others have mentioned, as soon as they start changing rules, collateral damage occurs.