DVC Club Level and Home Resort Survey

Points per night are supposed to help balance demand. The extra years of banking and borrowing can help smooth gaps and peaks of usage, at least until something like a pandemic comes along lop-siding the amount of banked points in an upcoming year. The point chart and 3 year window of potential usage help reduce stress to the system and increase chance of owner finding acceptable accommodation.

Walkers are a similar issue to these hypotheticals of trust bookings.

If trust owners are a disproportionate amount of people getting on 8am, so are walkers. Walkers could be showing up 5 times the amount of booking actually controlled, trust owners could be showing up 5 times the amount of booking actually controlled. End result not much different.
 
Wouldn’t it be easier to set up the trust to have their own priority booking window? Like deeded owners are 11 months, and trust could be 10-8 months, so they still have priority over “everyone”, but not over actual owners?

DVD can make any rules they want…but, the whole nature of the program is that you buy a RTU DVDs..aka trust…points.

Those points are still tied to inventory part of the condo association…and so those points have the same rights to be booked as we do as owners…

If DVD takes its own points at say VGF and now makes the trust the owners, those are no different than your points or mine.

Of course, the home resort window can be anything they want it to be as long as it is one month longer than non owners. Because trust members are not owners, the trust is the owner, any holding back of those points to book would be a voluntary on DVDs part…

I’d love that for currently declared inventory that…give me the one month..but, I doubt we will see it….

Much easier for DVD to just start with new inventory that is not yet declared, and when it does go into the condo association, it goes in with new rules…which, from my understanding, they could do because the POS only applies to rooms declared already…I believe they can change the rules for future declarations of units.
 
All those things are yet to be known but in other systems, my understanding is that they give access equally across each week.

Here is a potential way it could work:
Let’s say they have 200k points worth of inventory to start the trust at Poly tower, CFW, AUL, VDH, and RIV…none of these units are ones currently declared for deeded owners use…they remain a separate bucket.

That means there are 1 million points for trust members to book with. Each month, trust members can access about 83k points worth of inventory at all those resorts 11 months out. Once those are used, at whatever resort they choose, no more bookings.

So, Poly tower could book up for trust owners quickly but AUL rooms stay longer.

My guess is that whenever this system gets up in running, it will start with more than 1 million points but you get the idea

At 7 months, those units open to all DVC owners.

Now, who knows how they will actually set it up, but for me, this is how it would work best, at least to start.

But, I know think we have an idea of what the plan is going to be for those 2042 resorts…they will be sold as part of a trust model and not deeded.
If that's the case, the the trust seems like an even worse product than I thought. If you have 52 trust owners, and each week of the year at PVB2 has enough points for 1 owner for each week, then 45 of them who don't click fast enough at 8am 11 months out, are going to be upset when they can't stay during an in-demand week. That seems like pretty poor odds.

Or, would all of those 52 trust owners be able to use up 52 rooms in week 49, therefore pushing out some deeded owners?

Either way, seems like someone ends up with a bad deal.

Or maybe I'm understanding it wrong?
 
Some Comments (Long) on the Possible DVC Trust:

A. Known Information

What we know so far is merely that DVC has asked in a survey for members’ thoughts on possibly being able to purchase interests in a trust that will allow purchasers to use the 11-month reservation window at more than one resort. We also have a copy of incomplete new and amended articles of incorporation filed in August 2023 for the not-for-profit corporation named the Palmetto Trust Association, Inc., whose named directors and officers are employed by DVD, which would be the trustee that would legally own the timeshare property interests put into the trust. The trust would have two sets of beneficiaries with beneficiary ownership interests in the trust, Class A for persons who buy into it, and Class B for ownership interests held by DVD. The Articles mention that the purchaser beneficiaries would also receive a deed. Under Florida law, one can create via deed a beneficial ownership interest in the trust, which deed itself does not provide any legal ownership interest in any particular condominium unit owned by a trust. Such trust beneficiary deeds can be filed with other kinds of deeds in Florida.

The Florida statutes seem to require that a multi-site timeshare trust which becomes an owner of actual “accommodations” (a term that includes condominium units) may need to be not-for-profit, see Fl. Stat. §721.53, and, DVD has likely made Palmetto a not-for-profit to be safe (and to assure no tax issues arise with it). The trust would be the one getting the deeded real estate interests in the actual property subject to the trust.

B. Worst Case Scenario

It is unknown whether DVD is contemplating something applicable to only new DVC resorts, all old and new DVC Resorts, or just some of the old resorts to go along with new ones. What I view as the worst case scenario is one where DVD creates this new trust ownership system for all the existing resorts. Assuming it meets legal requirements relating a timeshare trust estate, what would likely happen over time is the ability of existing members to get rooms at 11-months out (and also at 7-months out) will become significantly more difficult than already exists.

It is true that the one-to one annual reservation limit must still exist, i.e., DVD cannot create more ownership interests or more points at any given existing DVC resort than the total that could reserve all rooms for one calendar year. Thus, for example, trust beneficiaries would not be able to make more reservations at BWV than allowed by the total already-existing BWV interests put into the trust. Currently, DVD can use interest/points it still owns either via what it says it always keeps (at least 2% of each unit) and the extras it usually has, and even at “sold-out” resorts that could add at least another 2% or more due to unsold points at a resort, ROFR, and foreclosures. It could, in the future, also add a lot more interests to any trust via ROFR’s and foreclosures in existing resorts and via creation of new resorts.

Currently, DVD can make reservations using points it owns and does so, but they are rental reservations done through Disney to non-members. The DVC owner of points differs from the general public who rent through Disney. Among DVC owners is a large group that is always looking and competing for lower point cost rooms, and, particularly over the last 14-years, that group at each resort has grown larger and larger, mainly due to DVD: (a) lowering the total points a new member is required to purchase, which was 160 before 2010, and then as low as 50 to 75 at some resorts for quite a long time, and 100 at others; (b) over the years repeatedly raising the cost per point well beyond any inflation rate increase during a time when most wage increases were stagnant (e.g., the price per point for BWV in early 2010 was $106 and it is now $240), (c) creating new resorts with significantly higher per night point costs for comparable rooms (e.g., VGF, Poly and Riviera) than the ones created before 2010; (d) adding many rooms, such as the bungalows and cabins, with ridiculously high per night point costs, most of which points DVD sold to persons who would buy only enough points for a smaller room, particularly studios, thus resulting in an oversell of studio interests at applicable resorts; and (e) changing studio maximum occupancy at some resorts from 4 (and an infant) to 5 (and an infant), which has particularly had an adverse impact on studio availability at BWV, BCV and BRV.

Thus, in the last 14 years, it has become harder and harder to make reservations, particularly for studios (and lock-off 2BRs). There are now serious problems to reserve a number of rooms at resorts (mostly studios) even at 11-months out, and what is available at any particular resort at 7-months out has shrunken over that period, e.g., 14 years ago, you could easily get anything at SSR well beyond 7-months out but now even SSR rooms can disappear before 7-months out during times in the high demand fall season.

The creation of an all-resorts trust would result in the trust beneficiaries being able to use interests equivalent to hundreds of thousands of points (and later many more) at each existing resort, which in the past were used by DVD only for reservations through Disney central reservations. A whole new large class of DVC owners seeking mainly low cost rooms will be created. That new class will not just be looking, at 11-months out, for the low cost rooms at a single home resort, but instead looking for the low cost rooms at all the lowest cost near park resorts. Likely, over time, BWV, BCV, BRV, CCV and BLT will be the ones that will suffer the highest increase in demand and the largest expansion of the existing 11-month reservation problem.

C. Legality of Having a Trust.

A trust arrangement, in of itself, is not illegal, as long as legal requirements are met. We do not know enough yet to make conclusions but some issues that may arise include:

(1) Sold Out Resorts Have No Units that Can Be Placed in the Trust.

Having a “Timeshare Estate” is what is needed to use a timeshare in Florida. “Timeshare estate” means “the right to occupy a timeshare unit.” Fl. Sta. §721.05(34). That right can be granted in four alternative ways: (a) a direct fee interest in a timeshare property, (b) partial ownership interest in a condominium unit; (c) partial ownership interest in a cooperative unit; or (d) a beneficial interest in a trust that complies with all aspects of Fl Stat 721.08(2)(c)4 or 721.53(1)e. Id.

Note that the definition of a timeshare estate does not mention that you can have two of those methods applicable to the same timeshare unit. A “timeshare unit” means the actual “accommodation” at a resort that is covered by a timeshare plan. Id. §721.05(1) An “accommodation” is defined as an apartment, condominium, cabin, hotel or motel room. It is not defined to include the partial interest in a room that a purchaser would get, a fact emphasized in the definition of a timeshare unit which provides that 2BR lock-offs cannot be divided into two separate units.

§§721.08(2)(c)4 and 721.53(1)e declare that creation of a timeshare trust requires transfer to the trust of the “accommodation” or “all use rights therein,” i.e., the complete timeshare unit, or all possible rights to use the unit must be put into the trust, not just partial ownership interests of such units that a timeshare purchaser would purchase. The existing DVC resorts have many timeshare “units” which consist of one or more rooms. They have no units that consist of only part of a room. To create a valid timeshare trust, DVD would need to transfer one or more of those entire units to the trust, but, for sold-out resorts, it does not have the needed 100% ownership in any particular unit because members own about 96% or more of each unit. DVD cannot just transfer its partial ownership interest it retains in the resort units to the trust and create a valid timeshare trust. DVD might be able to set up a trust with newer DVC resorts by putting into it units not yet put into a DVC resort timeshare plan, but it cannot transfer to that trust any unit for which there exists at least one DVC member deeded an interest in the unit.

(2) Palmetto Cannot Be a Timeshare Trust

In its current form, Palmetto cannot be a timeshare trust under Florida law. §§721,08(c)(4) and 721.53(1)e allow a corporation to be a trustee but that trustee corporation must be independent of the developer and any managing agent associated with the developer. The articles of incorporation show that Palmetto is completely controlled by DVD, including because every named director and officer works for it.

(3) Adding a Trust to an Existing DVC Resort Appears Contrary to the POS’s

None of the current DVC POS’s were created with the idea of having a trust for members who could then reserve at any DVC resort at 11-months out. DVD’s plan, if it applies to all resorts, will prejudice existing members by increasing the demand at 11-months for already difficult to get rooms, and it is a problem that will get worse over the years with DVD sending more and more interests acquired ROFR or via foreclosures to the trust. The POSs and statements made during sales presentations clearly led members to believe that a Club Member/Owner who owned part of a unit at one of the DVC resorts would not be competing for reservations at 11-months out with other purchasers who did not purchase a legal interest in a unit in a DVC Resort.

Existing terms of the POS’s of the current resorts (using BWV POS) also appear to reject the concept of allowing a trust. The “Club Member” is defined in many places in the POS as “the owner of record of an Ownership Interest in a DVC Resort. “Ownership Interest” is defined as an “undivided percentage interest in a Unit and the Unit’s undivided interest in the Common Elements and Common Surplus” of the condominium. A “Unit” is defined as a “condominium unit” under the condominium statute, Fl stat §721.05. Nowhere is it mentioned or implied that a Club Member could ever be someone who does not legally own a portion of an actual unit in a DVC resort. It is the Club Member that has the right to make, modify or cancel reservations, and to make reservations at a home resort requires using “home resort” points, which are points that represent the member’s “Ownership Interest in a Unit,” not some ownership interest in a trust.
 

First, thanks for the thorough explanation! I have a question on the following:

Currently, DVD can make reservations using points it owns and does so, but they are rental reservations done through Disney to non-members. The DVC owner of points differs from the general public who rent through Disney.

Existing terms of the POS’s of the current resorts (using BWV POS) also appear to reject the concept of allowing a trust. The “Club Member” is defined in many places in the POS as “the owner of record of an Ownership Interest in a DVC Resort. “Ownership Interest” is defined as an “undivided percentage interest in a Unit and the Unit’s undivided interest in the Common Elements and Common Surplus” of the condominium. A “Unit” is defined as a “condominium unit” under the condominium statute, Fl stat §721.05. Nowhere is it mentioned or implied that a Club Member could ever be someone who does not legally own a portion of an actual unit in a DVC resort. It is the Club Member that has the right to make, modify or cancel reservations, and to make reservations at a home resort requires using “home resort” points, which are points that represent the member’s “Ownership Interest in a Unit,” not some ownership interest in a trust.
Wouldn't the trust be similar to how DVC currently rents out their points? Anyone can go online and book a DVC room through Disney's website even though they aren't a "Club Member". Wouldn't the trust just make this a special way of renting to non-members that pay a fee for access?
 
In its current form, Palmetto cannot be a timeshare trust under Florida law. §§721,08(c)(4) and 721.53(1)e allow a corporation to be a trustee but that trustee corporation must be independent of the developer and any managing agent associated with the developer. The articles of incorporation show that Palmetto is completely controlled by DVD, including because every named director and officer works for it.
Thanks so much for the excellent summary. Based on your above comment, wouldn't that lend weight to the idea that this whole Trust thing is not actually happening, and the Palmetto Trust Association is just a management/bureaucratic filing to run the cabins at WL?
 
First, thanks for the thorough explanation! I have a question on the following:




Wouldn't the trust be similar to how DVC currently rents out their points? Anyone can go online and book a DVC room through Disney's website even though they aren't a "Club Member". Wouldn't the trust just make this a special way of renting to non-members that pay a fee for access?
DVD can and does rent now, through Disney central reservations, to non-members using its percentage legal interests/points it retains in each unit in a DVC Resort. Via the same method, DVCM rents out rooms using interests members have traded out to another DVC resort or vacations with other timeshares, such as through II, and also rents out rooms that are available 60 days or fewer from date arrival. You cannot set up a timeshare trust to do that since the purpose of such a trust is to create timeshare interests and make sales of beneficial interests in the trust to purchasers who will then be able to repeatedly use the units in the trust without having to pay hotel rates every time they do so. If Disney in general wanted to set up a trust to own all of its properties and do all the same kinds of rentals it does now, it might be able to so, but it wouldn't be a timeshare trust, and I cannot think of a reason it would even consider creating such a trust.

DVD's renting of rooms, as it does now, is at high dollar Disney rates and it is not renting to a huge class of people, like many DVC owners, who will be making repeated reservations, and who will usually be seeking to find the lower point cost rooms, in the lower point cost seasons, at the DVC Resorts. Adding a group of such purchasers via a trust who can choose any DVC resort and reserve rooms at 11-months out will eventually make any difficulty that currently exists to reserve rooms at 11-months out at such DVC resorts worse.
 
Would that apply to DVD renting trust points as they accumulated and prior to sale? That’s a huge con for them if they cannot.

They’ll never be able to implement these changes into the member website anyways, haha.
 
First, thanks for the thorough explanation! I have a question on the following:




Wouldn't the trust be similar to how DVC currently rents out their points? Anyone can go online and book a DVC room through Disney's website even though they aren't a "Club Member". Wouldn't the trust just make this a special way of renting to non-members that pay a fee for access?

The rooms that are showing up on the Disney website as available have already been booked by DVD. They pull them when a member trades out, they pull them for breakage, and they reserve them at the 11 month window like the rest of us.

The cash guests are not accessing the DVC website to book the rooms, which is why you can see rooms for cash that are no longer available for DVC owners to book

This aspecit is what I see as the difference in how a trust would be set up and how it rents rooms to cash.
 
DVCM rents out rooms using interests members have traded out to another DVC resort or vacations with other timeshares, such as through II, and also rents out rooms that are available 60 days or fewer from date arrival.
A few small notes: Rental units pay for Members who have traded out to another Disney but non-DVC vacation: DCL, the Disney Collection, or ABD---the rental revenue is (directly or indrectly) booked as revenue for the non-DVC unit hosting the Member.

Members who exchange to other timeshares via II do not generate rental inventory. Instead, the backing inventory is sent to Interval for other II members to exchange into DVC. The same was true for RCI, which was still getting dribs and drabs of inventory to compensate for the last few members with points deposited there.
 
Do members have the ability to replace DVD as the manager of the property? I know some timeshares have gone through changes where they voted to remove the managers.

Would that allow individual associations to say they are not participating in the trust? Let’s say the majority of AKV owners wanted to have a non DVD manager? That would cause them to leave the BVTC, and could that prevent other owners from joining the trust? Is that even possible in this scheme?
 
Some Comments (Long) on the Possible DVC Trust:

A. Known Information

What we know so far is merely that DVC has asked in a survey for members’ thoughts on possibly being able to purchase interests in a trust that will allow purchasers to use the 11-month reservation window at more than one resort. We also have a copy of incomplete new and amended articles of incorporation filed in August 2023 for the not-for-profit corporation named the Palmetto Trust Association, Inc., whose named directors and officers are employed by DVD, which would be the trustee that would legally own the timeshare property interests put into the trust. The trust would have two sets of beneficiaries with beneficiary ownership interests in the trust, Class A for persons who buy into it, and Class B for ownership interests held by DVD. The Articles mention that the purchaser beneficiaries would also receive a deed. Under Florida law, one can create via deed a beneficial ownership interest in the trust, which deed itself does not provide any legal ownership interest in any particular condominium unit owned by a trust. Such trust beneficiary deeds can be filed with other kinds of deeds in Florida.

The Florida statutes seem to require that a multi-site timeshare trust which becomes an owner of actual “accommodations” (a term that includes condominium units) may need to be not-for-profit, see Fl. Stat. §721.53, and, DVD has likely made Palmetto a not-for-profit to be safe (and to assure no tax issues arise with it). The trust would be the one getting the deeded real estate interests in the actual property subject to the trust.

B. Worst Case Scenario

It is unknown whether DVD is contemplating something applicable to only new DVC resorts, all old and new DVC Resorts, or just some of the old resorts to go along with new ones. What I view as the worst case scenario is one where DVD creates this new trust ownership system for all the existing resorts. Assuming it meets legal requirements relating a timeshare trust estate, what would likely happen over time is the ability of existing members to get rooms at 11-months out (and also at 7-months out) will become significantly more difficult than already exists.

It is true that the one-to one annual reservation limit must still exist, i.e., DVD cannot create more ownership interests or more points at any given existing DVC resort than the total that could reserve all rooms for one calendar year. Thus, for example, trust beneficiaries would not be able to make more reservations at BWV than allowed by the total already-existing BWV interests put into the trust. Currently, DVD can use interest/points it still owns either via what it says it always keeps (at least 2% of each unit) and the extras it usually has, and even at “sold-out” resorts that could add at least another 2% or more due to unsold points at a resort, ROFR, and foreclosures. It could, in the future, also add a lot more interests to any trust via ROFR’s and foreclosures in existing resorts and via creation of new resorts.

Currently, DVD can make reservations using points it owns and does so, but they are rental reservations done through Disney to non-members. The DVC owner of points differs from the general public who rent through Disney. Among DVC owners is a large group that is always looking and competing for lower point cost rooms, and, particularly over the last 14-years, that group at each resort has grown larger and larger, mainly due to DVD: (a) lowering the total points a new member is required to purchase, which was 160 before 2010, and then as low as 50 to 75 at some resorts for quite a long time, and 100 at others; (b) over the years repeatedly raising the cost per point well beyond any inflation rate increase during a time when most wage increases were stagnant (e.g., the price per point for BWV in early 2010 was $106 and it is now $240), (c) creating new resorts with significantly higher per night point costs for comparable rooms (e.g., VGF, Poly and Riviera) than the ones created before 2010; (d) adding many rooms, such as the bungalows and cabins, with ridiculously high per night point costs, most of which points DVD sold to persons who would buy only enough points for a smaller room, particularly studios, thus resulting in an oversell of studio interests at applicable resorts; and (e) changing studio maximum occupancy at some resorts from 4 (and an infant) to 5 (and an infant), which has particularly had an adverse impact on studio availability at BWV, BCV and BRV.

Thus, in the last 14 years, it has become harder and harder to make reservations, particularly for studios (and lock-off 2BRs). There are now serious problems to reserve a number of rooms at resorts (mostly studios) even at 11-months out, and what is available at any particular resort at 7-months out has shrunken over that period, e.g., 14 years ago, you could easily get anything at SSR well beyond 7-months out but now even SSR rooms can disappear before 7-months out during times in the high demand fall season.

The creation of an all-resorts trust would result in the trust beneficiaries being able to use interests equivalent to hundreds of thousands of points (and later many more) at each existing resort, which in the past were used by DVD only for reservations through Disney central reservations. A whole new large class of DVC owners seeking mainly low cost rooms will be created. That new class will not just be looking, at 11-months out, for the low cost rooms at a single home resort, but instead looking for the low cost rooms at all the lowest cost near park resorts. Likely, over time, BWV, BCV, BRV, CCV and BLT will be the ones that will suffer the highest increase in demand and the largest expansion of the existing 11-month reservation problem.

C. Legality of Having a Trust.

A trust arrangement, in of itself, is not illegal, as long as legal requirements are met. We do not know enough yet to make conclusions but some issues that may arise include:

(1) Sold Out Resorts Have No Units that Can Be Placed in the Trust.

Having a “Timeshare Estate” is what is needed to use a timeshare in Florida. “Timeshare estate” means “the right to occupy a timeshare unit.” Fl. Sta. §721.05(34). That right can be granted in four alternative ways: (a) a direct fee interest in a timeshare property, (b) partial ownership interest in a condominium unit; (c) partial ownership interest in a cooperative unit; or (d) a beneficial interest in a trust that complies with all aspects of Fl Stat 721.08(2)(c)4 or 721.53(1)e. Id.

Note that the definition of a timeshare estate does not mention that you can have two of those methods applicable to the same timeshare unit. A “timeshare unit” means the actual “accommodation” at a resort that is covered by a timeshare plan. Id. §721.05(1) An “accommodation” is defined as an apartment, condominium, cabin, hotel or motel room. It is not defined to include the partial interest in a room that a purchaser would get, a fact emphasized in the definition of a timeshare unit which provides that 2BR lock-offs cannot be divided into two separate units.

§§721.08(2)(c)4 and 721.53(1)e declare that creation of a timeshare trust requires transfer to the trust of the “accommodation” or “all use rights therein,” i.e., the complete timeshare unit, or all possible rights to use the unit must be put into the trust, not just partial ownership interests of such units that a timeshare purchaser would purchase. The existing DVC resorts have many timeshare “units” which consist of one or more rooms. They have no units that consist of only part of a room. To create a valid timeshare trust, DVD would need to transfer one or more of those entire units to the trust, but, for sold-out resorts, it does not have the needed 100% ownership in any particular unit because members own about 96% or more of each unit. DVD cannot just transfer its partial ownership interest it retains in the resort units to the trust and create a valid timeshare trust. DVD might be able to set up a trust with newer DVC resorts by putting into it units not yet put into a DVC resort timeshare plan, but it cannot transfer to that trust any unit for which there exists at least one DVC member deeded an interest in the unit.

(2) Palmetto Cannot Be a Timeshare Trust

In its current form, Palmetto cannot be a timeshare trust under Florida law. §§721,08(c)(4) and 721.53(1)e allow a corporation to be a trustee but that trustee corporation must be independent of the developer and any managing agent associated with the developer. The articles of incorporation show that Palmetto is completely controlled by DVD, including because every named director and officer works for it.

(3) Adding a Trust to an Existing DVC Resort Appears Contrary to the POS’s

None of the current DVC POS’s were created with the idea of having a trust for members who could then reserve at any DVC resort at 11-months out. DVD’s plan, if it applies to all resorts, will prejudice existing members by increasing the demand at 11-months for already difficult to get rooms, and it is a problem that will get worse over the years with DVD sending more and more interests acquired ROFR or via foreclosures to the trust. The POSs and statements made during sales presentations clearly led members to believe that a Club Member/Owner who owned part of a unit at one of the DVC resorts would not be competing for reservations at 11-months out with other purchasers who did not purchase a legal interest in a unit in a DVC Resort.

Existing terms of the POS’s of the current resorts (using BWV POS) also appear to reject the concept of allowing a trust. The “Club Member” is defined in many places in the POS as “the owner of record of an Ownership Interest in a DVC Resort. “Ownership Interest” is defined as an “undivided percentage interest in a Unit and the Unit’s undivided interest in the Common Elements and Common Surplus” of the condominium. A “Unit” is defined as a “condominium unit” under the condominium statute, Fl stat §721.05. Nowhere is it mentioned or implied that a Club Member could ever be someone who does not legally own a portion of an actual unit in a DVC resort. It is the Club Member that has the right to make, modify or cancel reservations, and to make reservations at a home resort requires using “home resort” points, which are points that represent the member’s “Ownership Interest in a Unit,” not some ownership interest in a trust.
Awesome, as usual.
So, declaring new units into a Trust is compatible with both laws and existing POS.
Adding individual contracts acquired via ROFR or other means at existing resorts or for declared units is much much more questionable/impossible.

Unless they change the POS. I remember from previous analysis that DVC can change the POS freely for certain things and require a members vote (I.e. they'll never do it) for others. Could they change the POS of existing resorts to make them compatible with enrolling existing contracts into the Trust?
 
Wouldn’t it be easier to set up the trust to have their own priority booking window? Like deeded owners are 11 months, and trust could be 10-8 months, so they still have priority over “everyone”, but not over actual owners?
Would you buy such a product that gives you a disadvantage in booking any high demand category?
And crucially, would you buy it for a premium over the existing option of a deeded contract?

DVC will want to sell the Trust and probably at a higher price. I don't think they'll add any disadvantage for trust owners, actually the opposite, if they can get away with it.
 
Do members have the ability to replace DVD as the manager of the property? I know some timeshares have gone through changes where they voted to remove the managers.

Would that allow individual associations to say they are not participating in the trust? Let’s say the majority of AKV owners wanted to have a non DVD manager? That would cause them to leave the BVTC, and could that prevent other owners from joining the trust? Is that even possible in this scheme?
DVD is the developer and not actually the manager of each resort, which DVCM is, but it is DVD that has ultimate control over everything including any association meetings and votes on amendments to make any changes to managers or or any provisions of the declarations and other POS documents, including anything involving DVD, DVCM, or BVTC. Under the DVC Resorts' declarations, It is theoretically possible for the members to get together and propose, and possibly even vote on, an amendment that would take away or limit DVD's control of the association and related timeshare matters. But it would be a useless act, because, when DVD created the declarations, it apparently anticipated that possibility, and drafted the declarations to provide that any amendment that would affect any of the rights or privileges of DVD can become effective if, and only if, DVD approves it in writing. See, e..g., BWV Declarations, Article 16.1.

Also, you may be assuming, possibly incorrectly that the creation of the trust and allowing its members to make reservations at 11-months out is something that is going be done via some significant amendments to the existing POS's of the DVC Resorts, which would give members the opportunity to object to actual changes to the existing POS's. I suspect what we will see is the creation of a whole new POS to cover the trust and its beneficiaries ability to reserve resorts at 11-months out through the existing reservation systems.
 
Awesome, as usual.
So, declaring new units into a Trust is compatible with both laws and existing POS.
Adding individual contracts acquired via ROFR or other means at existing resorts or for declared units is much much more questionable/impossible.

Unless they change the POS. I remember from previous analysis that DVC can change the POS freely for certain things and require a members vote (I.e. they'll never do it) for others. Could they change the POS of existing resorts to make them compatible with enrolling existing contracts into the Trust?
The statute creates the rules for creating a valid trust, many of which provisions were created to protect purchasers of the trust. As to the requirement that a valid trust requires transfer to it of an entire unit/accommodation or all use rights therein, there is nothing in the statute that says that rule can be waived, ignored, or changed by any developer. DVD cannot make an amendment to the existing declarations that would allow for a valid trust if only partial interests in a unit were transferred to the trust, even if the members agreed with it.
 
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§§721.08(2)(c)4 and 721.53(1)e declare that creation of a timeshare trust requires transfer to the trust of the “accommodation” or “all use rights therein,” i.e., the complete timeshare unit, or all possible rights to use the unit must be put into the trust, not just partial ownership interests of such units that a timeshare purchaser would purchase. The existing DVC resorts have many timeshare “units” which consist of one or more rooms. They have no units that consist of only part of a room. To create a valid timeshare trust, DVD would need to transfer one or more of those entire units to the trust, but, for sold-out resorts, it does not have the needed 100% ownership in any particular unit because members own about 96% or more of each unit. DVD cannot just transfer its partial ownership interest it retains in the resort units to the trust and create a valid timeshare trust. DVD might be able to set up a trust with newer DVC resorts by putting into it units not yet put into a DVC resort timeshare plan, but it cannot transfer to that trust any unit for which there exists at least one DVC member deeded an interest in the unit.
I think perhaps the definition of "accommodation" isn't what you think it is. Many other timeshare trusts setup in Florida have not transferred 100% of an entire unit to their respective trusts. Marriott has many individual weeks from hundreds of units at many resorts and only a few resorts where 100% of the units are in their trust.
 











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