DVC at Caribbean Beach?

[twebber55]

I suppose they could make it work by charging lower points per night, but keeping the costs to buy in the same as they are now. This would then make the points worth the same as current points for trading. Now given that I can get a standard studio at BWV for 10 points a night at certain times of the year, how low would the CBR DVC points have to be to make it worth the effort to trade there occasionally.

That kind of model seems totally opposite to what has been happening lately with each resort costing more and more points per night and prices per point going up.

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[OKW Lover]

Why does everybody seem to be assuming that it would be a "moderate DVC resort"? Couldn't they build deluxe-type units there?

 

[nolanboys]

I find the stand alone resort implausible because the parcel of land is quite small. How they would fit it into CBR, which I've stated at multiple times and enjoy, just seems like a difficult task.

 

[keishashadow]

Why not convert existing buildings that seem to fill slowly at that resort via combining two single rooms, creating a new 'suite' booking category.

2 Queen beds in first room with full bath. 2nd connecting room with sofa bed, possibly sleeper chair to accommodate 7 people. Alternately, a King bed in 1st BD, with sofa bed & full Murphy bed to sleep 6 people. Should be able to fit in a washer/dryer/studio kitchen set up & 1/2 bath.

If new construction on the parcel, perhaps they are considering a very deluxe, yet small, boutique property?

 

[Savagekids]

What really distinguishes a moderate from a deluxe?

Going from my own rusty memory weren't SSR and handful of others moderates at one time?

 

[wdrl]

I find the stand alone resort implausible because the parcel of land is quite small. How they would fit it into CBR, which I've stated at multiple times and enjoy, just seems like a difficult task.

If Disney builds high rise towers, the footprint of the new resort could easily fit on the proposed parcel of land. If you look at the footprint of the neighboring Bonnet Creek Resort buildings (ignore for the moment BC's large lake), you'll notice that those buildings don't require a lot of land.

Admittedly, 15-storied high rise towers wouldn't "fit" into the Caribbean Beach Resort's architectural style. But maybe that is the point if Disney is designing a stand alone resort that is not tied to an existing property?

 

[brooke789]

As a family of 5, that might would save us a ton of money if this were a DVC and similar to the rest of CBR.

 

[SpaceMountain77]

Disney's Caribbean Beach Resort and the proposed parcel of land was specifically chosen because the shoreline will allow for the construction of over-the-water bungalows. If the current proposal is approved, expect PVB-inspired bungalows, but at a lower point cost.

Also, it seems as though there will be an island community, comparable to the other existing sections, and not a tower, which was originally speculated in 2014.

 

[Sammie]

What really distinguishes a moderate from a deluxe?

Going from my own rusty memory weren't SSR and handful of others moderates at one time?

No, the only moderates that have ever been were CBR, CSR and Port Orleans, Riverside and French Quarter.

 

[Sammie]

A few years ago I saw a plan to extend the waterway from CB to Bay Lake.

Bill

I thought it was to extend it to Epcot which is literally just across the road.

 

[disneynutz]

I thought it was to extend it to Epcot which is literally just across the road.

True, I posted the wrong lake, should have been Crescent Lake as Tim pointed out.

Bill

 

[CarolMN]

Why does everybody seem to be assuming that it would be a "moderate DVC resort"? Couldn't they build deluxe-type units there?

I agree with you - lots and lots of assumptions n this thread, LOL. Fun to speculate, but nothing posted here is anything more than pure supposition!

 

[erin1715]

Disney's Caribbean Beach Resort and the proposed parcel of land was specifically chosen because the shoreline will allow for the construction of over-the-water bungalows. If the current proposal is approved, expect PVB-inspired bungalows, but at a lower point cost.

Also, it seems as though there will be an island community, comparable to the other existing sections, and not a tower, which was originally speculated in 2014.

I guess I really don't understand the fascination that people seem to have with wanting to stay on a water bungalow. I could see if the water were crystal clear and beautiful and you could swim in it, but in my opinion, if I were booking at the Poly I'd much prefer staying in a studio in the main building over their bungalows on that disgusting water. Same goes for Wilderness Lodge. No thank you.

 

[Sandisw]

It will be interesting to see how this goes about and how they handle it because if it goes into the pool with the other resorts, some may not like having the option. But, then again, if there is a lower cost alternative, some might be perfectly okay with it. Think of the food court differences between deluxe and moderates? Some might actually enjoy being at a resort that has a larger selection for food options at the CS level than current DVC resorts...and if it connected to Epcot in someway, I can see it being an option for some! Think F & W!!

 

[Tardisblue]

I guess I really don't understand the fascination that people seem to have with wanting to stay on a water bungalow. I could see if the water were crystal clear and beautiful and you could swim in it, but in my opinion, if I were booking at the Poly I'd much prefer staying in a studio in the main building over their bungalows on that disgusting water. Same goes for Wilderness Lodge. No thank you.

Or actually fly to Fiji and stay in bungalow over crystal clear water for much less.

 

[theww228]

What really distinguishes a moderate from a deluxe?

If blindfold someone and spun them around 3 times would they be able to tell the difference between OKW and CBR?

 

[n2mm]

I would've preferred the rumored Fort Wilderness location....at least it sounds quiet and secluded.

 

[Granny]

If you look at the location of the rumored parcel of land, its possible that Disney could build a self-contained, stand alone DVC resort on that property. Access and egress would be via Victory Drive. Assuming the resort would have its own check-in and front desk, there there would be no need for the DVC guests to step onto the Caribbean Beach Resort property to access their DVC villas.

As I have said before, Disney could dust off the architectural plans for the VGF building, make some site specific modifications, change the theming, and plop it into the rumored parcel of land. To think that the new resort would have to be a "moderate DVC resort" is premature.

It's hard to believe that Disney would want to build a stand alone resort on that site. That would mean that they would have to put in a new pool and at least one food option. As was pointed out, much better for Disney if the DVC resort can share the amenities of the neighboring resort so they can defray part of the costs of those amenities and make the existing resort more profitable.

I guess if they built a canal to EPCOT that could make the site more attractive for DVC owners. But overall, I would think other sites like the rumored one at Fort Wilderness would hold more promise. Just my two cents.

 

[anna08]

I wish they could tear down the ugly Swan and Dolphin hotels and build a new DVC there - a nice sprawling Caribbean themed resort would fit well with BCV and BW. But I know that's just a dream.

 

[tjkraz]

What really distinguishes a moderate from a deluxe?

Going from my own rusty memory weren't SSR and handful of others moderates at one time?

The main difference is in the room size & design.

Moderate rooms run 300-320 sq ft while most DVC Studios start at 360 and go up to 465 at Polynesian. Somewhat ironically, the Value rooms at AKV--which seem to be quite popular--are the same size as moderates.

Other than size, the furnishings are generally regarded as a step down at moderates. Unless you're talking about some of the custom design rooms which cost extra. Moderates have exterior entrances (like SSR and OKW) and none of them have balconies.

Resort amenities aren't all that different. These days most of them have nice pools, bicycle rentals, etc. However dining options are not nearly as impressive as Deluxes...particularly when you consider the likes of Grand Floridan, Contemporary and BoardWalk.

All of the deluxes offer some boat or foot access to a theme park or Disney Springs. Caribbean Beach is currently served by buses to all destinations.

With all of that said, I don't see DVC converting existing CB rooms to villas. It will likely be new construction and they could easily add villas which are comparable in size and amenity to the current DVC product. They would have to overcome the perception of a "Moderate DVC", but I think that's preferable to building smaller rooms and earning less revenue from the DVC sales.

Or even if they do aggressively position it as a Moderate DVC, I don't think it will be the dramatic step down that some are envisioning. Think of something comparable to AKV Value: smaller room size but with balconies and more upscale furnishings.