DVC and Deluxe should get more FP+ and an earlier window

[kmb584]

I'm amazed there is so much hostility in this thread towards a basic fact of life.

There isn't though. DVC is a timeshare and has zero to do with theme park admission. Disney also recognizes that they "have" you. They don't need to throw perks or advantages in your direction because they've got your name in ink.

 

[DVCcurious]

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[kaytieeldr]

lol, "socially appropriate".

You can go to a Yankee game for like $20. You'll sit in the top level way out in right field and if you want a hot dog you'll have to go stand in line yourself.

Or you can pay a heckuva lot more and sit behind home plate and have a waitress bring you your hot dog.

The fact is if you spend X dollars more you DESERVE special treatment. That's how the world works. I'm amazed there is so much hostility in this thread towards a basic fact of life.

What is "socially appropriate" is that we all get what we pay for. If you contributed $20,000 to Obama's campaign you could've talked to him and gotten a picture. If you contributed $20 you'd have gotten an automated thank you e-mail. Was Obama's campaign not "socially appropriate".

Here is my challenge to all of you: find me one other product or service where you DO NOT get more if you pay more. From your reactions there should be millions of examples.

Yet again conservatively you have paid $93.27 per night to stay onsite seven nights per year for 30 years.
$93.27 is mathematically less than the $100 per night you ascribe to Value resort rooms.
Therefore, Value resort guests should get more FastPasses than you get.

 

[doconeill]

That's not a valid analogy. First, a family who spent 3 years saving to purchase a car is probably not going to show up at a dealership expecting to pay a bottom of the barrel price for a top of the line model. That's just common sense.

Second, your main gripe is that because you own DVC you should be entitled to extra benefits. Buying a car is no comparison. A fair analogy would be more along the lines of: Person A purchased their car at the BMW dealership whereas Person B bought theirs off a used car lot. Person A is there now entitled to make all maintenance appointments ahead of Person B and have freebies thrown in too.

Or, perhaps even closer...said person purchased a BMW, and then now believes that they should have exclusive access to certain roads and the left lane on the highway, because they paid more for the car. Even though the car does not come with any such rights or was advertised with such.

When you purchased DVC, you either KNEW what you purchased, or were foolish. You're paying for a resort, and all the amenities of that resort - none of which include special access to the parks, which is something you pay completely separately before, just like anyone else.

You are ALREADY, however, getting special treatment in the parks that you DIDN'T get before MyMagic+. Like first dibs on FP+ over resort guests checking in after you, and WAY before guests not staying on-site.

And I'll refrain from saying more, otherwise my already frustrating day may reach a peak and the moderators might get involved...

 

[dizprincess717]

lol, "socially appropriate".

You can go to a Yankee game for like $20. You'll sit in the top level way out in right field and if you want a hot dog you'll have to go stand in line yourself.

Or you can pay a heckuva lot more and sit behind home plate and have a waitress bring you your hot dog.

The fact is if you spend X dollars more you DESERVE special treatment. That's how the world works. I'm amazed there is so much hostility in this thread towards a basic fact of life.

What is "socially appropriate" is that we all get what we pay for. If you contributed $20,000 to Obama's campaign you could've talked to him and gotten a picture. If you contributed $20 you'd have gotten an automated thank you e-mail. Was Obama's campaign not "socially appropriate".

Here is my challenge to all of you: find me one other product or service where you DO NOT get more if you pay more. From your reactions there should be millions of examples.

You are talking about BMW's, Yankees tickets and donating to Obama's campaign.

All of which couldn't be further from the experience you get at Disney World.

It was YOUR choice to purchase DVC. If you want "perks" then you shouldn't have purchased it and just booked your stay at Disney resort that offers Club Level and purchase the Platinum Package (or whatever it's called) so you get the pre-trip planning, the free tours, etc. Because THEN you are getting what you paid for.

My example: I'm a travel agent. Right now a couple could book a week trip to a 5* all-inclusive resort in the Caribbean. Total package for two $5,000 for airfare, resort stay, taxes, everything. They are travelling June 1-June 8. Another couple walks in 5 months later a books the exact same trip (same dates, flights, hotel, room category - EVERYTHING the same) and it is costing them $7,000 because it is last minute and the rates on the air and hotel are more.

That is your product - a vacation package - that is going to cost the couple who booked later MORE and they are getting the SAME experience of the couple who booked earlier.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Wrong.

If you are a DVC member you get a discount on an annual pass. A pass that can ONLY be used for theme park admission.

There already is a link between dvc and theme park admission.

The discount is available to DVC members. Purchasing an Annual Pass - or any theme park admission - is a choice, not a requirement. If park admission were tied to DVC membership, the AP would be included.

DVC members get discounts on dining and shopping, but aren't forced to use either or both.

DVC members already get perks not afforded other guests. Greed doesn't become you.

 

[doconeill]

Wrong.

If you are a DVC member you get a discount on an annual pass. A pass that can ONLY be used for theme park admission.

There already is a link between dvc and theme park admission.

It is NOT a GUARANTEED perk. They could stop offering it tomorrow. And you still pay for it separately.

And by your argument, since you are paying LESS for the Annual Pass, you should get LESS than what a person paying full price for the Annual Pass should get.

 

[disneyvoice]

This has to be some kind of joke.

Seriously? Just. Wow.

We just moved to Florida after being long time Disney World fans from Indiana who would visit multiple times a year from out of state. Now we are able to have a Florida annual passes. Yay!!

But now that we are here and are able to go to WDW more frequently I don't have to plan our visits out as far in advance so I no longer get "first pick" at the dining reservations or fast passes. It's a trade off. What we do have now is the ability to go to WDW much more frequently and basically last minute. We get a nice discount on rooms if we decide to stay overnight. I know how to "stalk" the dining reservation system on-line so I can usually get the restaurants we want even if they might not be at the exact times we want - so it's not a big deal.

No, we usually don't get the "good" fast passes and we have to plan our day around what ever is left over. But no complaints here. I consider myself lucky. And I remember very well being the young family on a shoe string budget with a very young child when we could afford nothing except the All Star Resort Hotels. And we were so excited that we could FINALLY afford to come to WDW!

Considering that we have more opportunities to visit WDW it doesn't bother me at all the a family who can ONLY (said through gritted teeth) afford the All Star Resorts gets first pick of the restaurants and fast passes. I hope they have as much fun as we have had on our vacations through the years!!!

And as a side note - even though we CAN afford the more expensive resorts now, we CHOOSE not to stay at them. Our favorite resort is now Coronado Springs which is still a very affordable resort if you get a standard room during off season. We choose to spend our money on things other than the resort because we only sleep there - but my husband prefers the Queen beds over the doubles at the All Stars. And I agree that Fast Passes are something that happen INSIDE the park and are tied to your admission ticket NOT your hotel. So where you stay during your WDW vacation really has nothing to do with Fast Passes. We went through the whole DVC sales pitch once and decided it wasn't a good financial decision because we just don't do luxury hotels and when we broke the costs down we figured out that it would still be more affordable for us to pay trip by trip even if we did decide to occasionally stay somewhere nicer.

I'm glad to hear other DVC owners are happy with their decision and don't feel the same way as the OP. My husband and I decided that if we were more leisurely WDW guests we would LOVE the DVC!!!

I really hope this post was trolling. If not, the OP should consider that there are people here who come from all economic walks of life and the tone of the original message was extremely snobbish.

 

[kaytieeldr]

The discount is available to DVC members. Purchasing an Annual Pass - or any theme park admission - is a choice, not a requirement. If park admission were tied to DVC membership, the AP would be included.

DVC members get discounts on dining and shopping, but aren't forced to use either or both.

DVC members already get perks not afforded other guests. Greed doesn't become you.

Here is my challenge to all of you: find me one other product or service where you DO NOT get more if you pay more. From your reactions there should be millions of examples.

You're. Not. Paying. More. You are paying less.

Over twenty five years, I've spent well over $20,000 on WDW vacations.

 

[Octoberbaby]

You're. Not. Paying. More. You are paying less.

Over twenty five years, I've spent well over $20,000 on WDW vacations.

Bingo. My family has spent 20,000 on Disney in 2013 and 2014 alone...smh

 

[Planogirl]

Disney makes a lot of money off of DVC owners initially but potentially way less over time. Even someone who stays offsite might buy more meals (for full price - no dining plan) and souvenirs and so on then some DVC owners. Your class distinctions don't make sense.

 

[Jennasis]

I knew what I was buying when I bought DVC this year. IF they decide to add more perks such as extra FP etc, then bully for me. If not, then I am happy with what I bought.

 

[hcox31]

As "one of those" families who have scrimped and saved for years, literally since my son was born 5 years ago, to be able to afford a WDW vacation and stay on site (because we want to do it "right" and go all out), I resent the holier than thou attitude. This might be our one and only chance at this vacation and I'm glad we are treated fairly In the theme parks when it comes to Windows for FP opening etc. Someone who shells out 20+k isn't more deserving than someone who pays 1/4 of that.

Thank god for the 99.99999% of the posters here who do NOT feel the way the OP does.

 

[dizprincess717]

I really hope this post was trolling. If not, the OP should consider that there are people here who come from all economic walks of life and the tone of the original message was extremely snobbish.

I couldn't agree more. This is what has me upset.

Like I said, when I worked at Disney World, during Traditions, we are told to never treat 1 guest differently from another. We do not care if they are staying in the most expensive room on property, or the least expensive. We were told to deliver the same experience for each guest.

So again: Whether it's a well-off family who purchased DVC, a well-off family who booked a Club Level room at the Yacht Club, or a family who is there for 3 nights at an All Star hotel - it doesn't matter. You should still get the same treatment for FP+, etc.

Also: My trip is coming up in 2 weeks. I'm going with 9 other people and we are staying in a 2-bedroom villa at OKW. We are not DVC members. I get a special discounted ticket, and the rest of my family is able to purchase the special military discounted ticket. We cannot pick up/officially purchase our tickets until we check-in at OKW. So guess what? I have NO FP+ for my reservation. NONE AT ALL. And you know what? I could care less. Because I will be in Disney World, the place I consider home and where pretty much all of my happiest memories are, with my family - the people I love most in the world. If I can't get any FP+ during my stay and I have to wait in line for every single attraction, I don't care. I'm on vacation, in my happy place. And I know there are people all over the world who are less fortunate than I am, and I will just count my lucky stars that I'm there. Who cares if I have to wait in line for an hour for Splash Mountain?? I've been there about a dozen times before, and I worked there. Judging by most of these comments we are all repeat Disney World guests. We've pretty much seen and done it all.

So, OP, quit complaining. You're nothing special.

 

[DisneyNutMary]

Question for you OP, since I bought into my membership in 2001, and my friend bought in 1998, we paid considerably less per point than those of you who have bought points in the past few years- should we get less FP+ choices than you because we didn't pay $20000? In fact, my loans are long paid off, and my initial investments have been paid for in the savings over 30 trips and 2 cruises, should I be entitled to less?
My annual dues are less than my sisters dues because she owns at Vero, should she get more, or less because she owns off property?

I hope my point is made. I bought a timeshare that happens to be near a theme park, not a membership to the theme park elite.

 

[disneyfantotheend]

If FP+ was scaled, I don't think DVC would make the top of the priority list. They have your money and your commitment. Not saying it is fair, just saying how it would likely be. You might be third priority after those who pay cash to stay in the DVC rooms and those who stay in deluxe accommodations. Who knows, they may even put you below moderates and values, because again, they have your money regardless.

 

[Priory]

You're. Not. Paying. More. You are paying less.

Over twenty five years, I've spent well over $20,000 on WDW vacations.

Exactly. He's buying bulk. Just because I get a crate of toilet paper at costco with a larger upfront investment, it doesn't mean I expect special bathrooms. (I think I just made this argument even sillier. Yay me.)

Anyway, this whole argument is moot. This is about accommodations. You are already getting your deserved perks. Nicer, closer restaurants, bigger rooms, better amenities, and a large room in which to sinisterly pet a hairless cat (I'm just guessing on that last one - I'm a vulgar value resort customer so I am not entirely familiar).

 

[btk2333]

I didn't bother to read the thread because I"m sure I know where it went- that being said I wouldn't be surprised to see deluxes and DVC resorts eventually have different booking windows and maybe even more pre-booked FP+'s. It makes sense for Disney to create more benefits between off site and on site tiers

 

[jcemom]

Maybe you should have made that clear before you signed the contract. I doubt if it would have made the difference, but you never know.

My family is very close to buying in as well. Our initial cost is going to be nearly double the OPs. I propose they can only use the top of the world lounge between the hours of 6am and 8am, so I never have to worry about breathing the same oxygen as them, since clearly I am so superior to them. As for the non-DVCers, I insist they always look down at the ground when I am passing them in the parks and get automatically ejected if they DARE make eye contact with me.

I knew what I was buying when I bought DVC this year. IF they decide to add more perks such as extra FP etc, then bully for me. If not, then I am happy with what I bought.

I didn't bother to read the thread because I"m sure I know where it went- that being said I wouldn't be surprised to see deluxes and DVC resorts eventually have different booking windows and maybe even more pre-booked FP+'s. It makes sense for Disney to create more benefits between off site and on site tiers

Agreed. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the deluxes get more FP than the values. I'm kind of surprised they haven't done that already.

 

[Planogirl]

If they give more to certain tiers or in other words, create classes then I hope that the "lower classes" balk against that. That is just plain creepy IMO.