DUES Info! - All resorts dues have been released

[Carouselofplanning]

I’m not sure about BLT. The refurb extended to July 2026. The original goal was Sept 2025. Have all the rooms been completed?

Careful! I pointed this out about a week ago and people got all worked up about it. Disney says it on the website that refurbishment is ongoing and yes it’s clearly been extended. But if it’s common areas, at least to many on this board, it doesn’t count.

 

[JackosinDIS]

Did the sums today, aggregate increase across all my contracts of 6.9%.

Compared with last years rise across the same contracts of 3.28%.

Not insignificant!

Total dues now $16,174, which averages out at $8.99 per point. Hopefully still another year before it tips over the $10 mark! Happy days

 

[gvel]

Now I’m really interested in how the rental market is going to respond. The current owner payouts sometimes as low as $13-$15 per point leave a very small spread once dues are paid, and in some cases it barely feels worth renting out points at all. With dues climbing the way they are, it seems inevitable that rental rates or owner payouts will need to increase, and I’m curious to see if and how the market adjusts.

 

[Tatebeck]

Careful! I pointed this out about a week ago and people got all worked up about it. Disney says it on the website that refurbishment is ongoing and yes it’s clearly been extended. But if it’s common areas, at least to many on this board, it doesn’t count.

I think they gave you pushback because the original dates that were given were for the room refurbishment dates specifically, not the common areas. They never said that the entire resort, exterior, common areas, etc. would all be 100 % refurbished by September 2025, just the rooms. That, to my knowledge was finished on time or close to it. Then when that was finishing, they put up a new notice
for more work being done on other places besides the rooms. That is a little different than the previously announced work going over on time.

From DVC in 2024
https://dvcfan.com/news/refurbishment-timeline-revealed-for-dvc-villas-at-bay-lake-tower/

"From September 2024 to September 2025, room refurbishment work will take place in Bay Lake Tower at Disney’s Contemporary Resort. During this time, Guests will see and hear construction work throughout Bay Lake Tower. Please allow extra time for travel as alternate paths may be utilized."

And about the other refurb work this year
https://dvcnews.com/wdw-resorts/bay...-extends-into-2026-villa-updates-not-impacted
"Common areas of Disney's Contemporary Resort and neighboring Bay Lake Tower will be subject to renovations well into 2026, but the updates to Disney Vacation Club villas are still running on schedule."

 

[intamin]

Now I’m really interested in how the rental market is going to respond. The current owner payouts sometimes as low as $13-$15 per point leave a very small spread once dues are paid, and in some cases it barely feels worth renting out points at all. With dues climbing the way they are, it seems inevitable that rental rates or owner payouts will need to increase, and I’m curious to see if and how the market adjusts.

Its really not worth it, the people that were renting out points for profit are nuts as the margins are so slim especially when you accommodate for time and effort. It's really only worth it if you know the points are going to expire if you don't go. Even then though you'd be better off exchanging them for passes to avoid taxes and not to mention ease of doing so.

 

[gvel]

Its really not worth it, the people that were renting out points for profit are nuts as the margins are so slim especially when you accommodate for time and effort. It's really only worth it if you know the points are going to expire if you don't go. Even then though you'd be better off exchanging them for passes to avoid taxes and not to mention ease of doing so.

I agree. I never rent out mine, but I have rented points from the sponsor. I've always felt that renting points is a great bargain just because of tbe low payouts to owners.

 

[Tatebeck]

Yeah unless they are going to expire, I wouldn't take less than the going OTUP rate if I wanted to rent something out, so $20 pp right now

 

[Add-On-Itis]

Thank you! That is high praise . And, I agree personally about OKW. I just included it because I think some people treat it that way even though SSR is the way better option economically if you're going with the low upfront buy-in SAP.

OKW is actually a good SAP+ if you want cheap GV

 

[Genie+]

Did the sums today, aggregate increase across all my contracts of 6.9%.

Compared with last years rise across the same contracts of 3.28%.

Not insignificant!

Total dues now $16,174, which averages out at $8.99 per point. Hopefully still another year before it tips over the $10 mark! Happy days

$8.99 average dues is not bad!

WDW resorts average $9.66pp.

All 17 DVC resorts average $10.10pp.

 

[Sandisw]

I feel like I remember reading that maintenance fees (not including taxes) cannot increase by more than 15% per year. I also found an old thread that claimed Disney had a stated internal target cap of 10% and that Florida law caps timeshare dues increases at 30%, but neither of those had sources cited and I could not find any corroborating documentation for them.

Per our contracts, it’s no more than 15% a year. Whether or not DVC has tried to keep it 10% and under?

Never heard that before.

 

[Sandisw]

My first message of the day was a bit more pleasant

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Fun! What are you sailing????

 

[VGCgroupie]

Per our contracts, it’s no more than 15% a year. Whether or not DVC has tried to keep it 10% and under?

Never heard that before.

So a cap per year but not a cap overall like no more than $25 per point in dues

 

[eticketplease]

because you love it and want to use your points there, go fort it!

I know it's a typo but it also could be a subtle nod to pick up some CFW points

 

[Sandisw]

So a cap per year but not a cap overall like no more than $25 per point in dues

That is correct. Dues representative of operating costs so it’s always going to be based on that.

There are financial audits and owners can make appointments to discuss the budgets in more detail.

FL 721 gives specifics on what documents must be made available to owners upon request and they can set it up so owners have to view in person.

But, that may also have been updated to require other ways to get information.

 

[Brian Noble]

...and it makes no sense to promise that the cost will never be higher than $X per year, because inflation is a thing.

 

[VGCgroupie]

...and it makes no sense to promise that the cost will never be higher than $X per year, because inflation is a thing.

Yeah that why I had previously said I didn’t think a dues cap was a thing.

 

[eticketplease]

I’m not 100% sure, but I might have been the one that coined the phrase SAP+, but that is definitely the best description I have ever seen.

Yes I think you were the one to give me another acronym to memorize!!

 

[VGCgroupie]

The thread that started it all..

https://www.disboards.com/threads/sap.3932280/

@Chili327

 

[eticketplease]

I agree personally about OKW. I just included it because I think some people treat it that way even though SSR is the way better option economically if you're going with the low upfront buy-in SAP.

Wouldn't it be the reverse if you are thinking low upfront costs?
OKW esp 2042 is much less than SSR.

OKW is a pass for SAP for me too as those dues just continue to rise.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Wouldn't it be the reverse if you are thinking low upfront costs?
OKW esp 2042 is much less than SSR.

OKW is a pass for SAP for me too as those dues just continue to rise.

The dues eat up that initial buy savings real quick.