DS13 is serving an in school suspension

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tomorrow, for protecting me! Crazy, but I knew you all would understand. I'm a substitute teacher at his school, have known all his classmates all their lives (it's a small town), and get along well with the majority of them. I get a letter in the mail Mon. stating he's received an ISS for "fighting" with a classmate. He won't tell me the details, just says, "ask dad, we discussed it, and it's okay". Husband won't even tell me all the details, just says that one of DS's formerly v. good friends not only started talking bad about me, but used very degrading words about my appearance. (I have bad scoliosis, so have heard every humpback/whale/crone comment out there, but for them not to tell me, it must have been really bad) DS basically told this boy, "you don't talk bad about my mom and you DON"T make fun of people that are different"" and open hand cuffed him just once. So both boys ended up with one day of punishment. I told him that there's NEVER an excuse for getting in a fight, but I feel worse over the fact that he feels the need to "protect" me. (I went over to this boy's house right away Mon. night and sat him down and talked with him, and he cried his eyes out, while his dad looked mad as all heck, so I don't think it'll happen again.) What an emotional rollercoaster!
Terri
 
I wouldn't feel bad that your son "has" to protect you.....I would feel honored that you raised a young man strong enough to step up and defend his mother and others with 'differences'.....while I don't condone the way he dealt with it, what a fantastic young man! Too many kids are "embarrassed" about their parents. How highly your son must think of you! Guess that makes you are pretty darn good mom, too!

I think DS deserves an extra hug tonight......and a lecture for "fighting". But, sometimes you serve the punishment for a higher cause. Social justice is worth a day of detention in my book!
 
Is the punishment worth the crime? In this case - YES! I'm really proud of your son for loving you so much! Buy him dinner that evening, but don't punish him again for it.

You are so very fortunate to have a child who loves you no matter what physical problems you have. What a wise a superior young man to see through a disability. He's going to go far in this world. :thumbsup2
 

Your son did not HAVE to defend you. He defended his mother because he loves her more than anything in the world. You are mightily blessed to have a son who would defend the honor of someone else. It coud have been race, colour or religion but this time it was your disability. Yes, he was wrong to slap another student. In a fit of righteous indignation a person sometimes forgets the rules of society.

Let him know you love him and that standing up for others is a good thing but that slapping is wrong. Then ground him for slapping the student. He needs to be punished for the slapping as he could have hurt someone. Violence is not the answer. A short suspension is called for because of the slapping. Discuss with him what he could have done like talk to a teacher or talking to the student.
 
I think DS deserves an extra hug tonight......and a lecture for "fighting". But, sometimes you serve the punishment for a higher cause. Social justice is worth a day of detention in my book!

You beat me to it! I'd stand up and be proud of that boy. He's been raised right.:thumbsup2

My son once dealt with a bully in elementary school who kept taunting him. Ds had pictures of his little brother & sister taped to his desk. Everyday the bully would pass his desk and make a derogatory comment about Lil Sis. DS took it every day and the teacher never intervened.

Then one day the kid pointed to Baby Bro and said, "THAT BABY LOOKS RETARDED!" Well, DS stood up quietly and hefted that bully clear over the teachers desk. Of course, he got sent to the office where the principal called me & threatened to suspend him for fighting. When I found out the details I told her that this bully had been teasing my son for 2 weeks and, oh by the way,youngest son IS mentally retarded . I told her to go ahead and suspend DS, I don't care. I'm proud of my son and if he hadn't decked the kid, maybe I would have (I wouldn't really hit someone's child, but I was mad as heck!) DS got a one day suspension, which we celebrated by taking everyone to the zoo for a family field trip:thumbsup2
 
You beat me to it! I'd stand up and be proud of that boy. He's been raised right.:thumbsup2

My son once dealt with a bully in elementary school who kept taunting him. Ds had pictures of his little brother & sister taped to his desk. Everyday the bully would pass his desk and make a derogatory comment about Lil Sis. DS took it every day and the teacher never intervened.

Then one day the kid pointed to Baby Bro and said, "THAT BABY LOOKS RETARDED!" Well, DS stood up quietly and hefted that bully clear over the teachers desk. Of course, he got sent to the office where the principal called me & threatened to suspend him for fighting. When I found out the details I told her that this bully had been teasing my son for 2 weeks and, oh by the way,youngest son IS mentally retarded . I told her to go ahead and suspend DS, I don't care. I'm proud of my son and if he hadn't decked the kid, maybe I would have (I wouldn't really hit someone's child, but I was mad as heck!) DS got a one day suspension, which we celebrated by taking everyone to the zoo for a family field trip:thumbsup2


Just wanted to say that I love your signature. I never knew I could take on the SD, former employer on my son's behalf and win.
 
I agree with most of the pp's and just want to reiterate-Well done!!!! Yes, fighting is not the answer, but I'm sure the ISS is adequate "punishment" for the crime- and don't forget to reward his protectiveness- what a great kid!
 
Well, he "survived" his day in ISS (proud of himself for getting ahead on his homework, actually). He has always been really good about standing up for others, I have to give him props for that. Just so you know, there were no marks on the other kid, he wasn't knocked down, or anything like that, and DS did just earn his black belt in karate, so it really was a "warning shot", if you will. I told the assistant principal that if he's going to start suspending every middle schooler who does that, there will be more kids in ISS than in the regular classroom! (Have you walked down a middle school hallway during passing time recently?!?) And, yes, DS knows that if anything similar EVER happens again for any reason, he'll be in big trouble!

Thanks y'all for being so supportive. Was an emotional time...

Terri
 
I would be very proud of him. I know my son Seth would do the same for me. I guess I look at it a little different. No way in Hell would he have served an ISS for taking up for me. I would have been on that principals doorstep with in minutes.
 
I would be very proud of him. I know my son Seth would do the same for me. I guess I look at it a little different. No way in Hell would he have served an ISS for taking up for me. I would have been on that principals doorstep with in minutes.


While it was wonderful that the OP's son was brave and proud enough to stand up for his mother, you'd have thought it was OK to hit another student??? :confused3

My daughter 'took down' the class bully one day at recess, a boy at least twice her size who wouldn't stop chasing her even though she told him to stop. She spent the afternoon in the assistant principal's office, as there is no excuse for any sort of violence in school whatsoever. I explained to her what better choices she could have made. I'm sure the OP's son realized he should have stopped before he hit the other student, and that using his words (and reporting the incident to an adult) would have sufficed.

If I was a principal and a parent came to me to defend a child who had hit another one, and I felt that parent was being aggressive, I'd call the police. No one has the right to threaten anyone else, even if you think your child was unfairly punished. Kids get blamed for things they didn't do all the time - life's not fair, people make mistakes, and an ISS isn't the end of the world.

While the OP was rightfully proud of her son for standing up for her, I'm hoping she'd rather that her son didn't cuff the other kid??? And I'm hoping you all realize that kids make bad choices sometimes, they learn and grow from them, and the parents that always back up their little darlings because their little darlings do no wrong make kids turn into nasty little monsters at school, because they know their parents will come pitch a fit if the darling gets served with consequences. I get to see the nasty monsters and their parents at the high school level. It isn't pretty...
 
There is certainly plenty of “responsibility” to go around. If the schools had a proper bullying “prevention” program is place these types of incidents are far less likely. If they had a proper “incident autopsy” program in place all could have learned from these types of unfortunate incidents.

In the OP “event” using the one to 10 scale, I would give a 6 to the “initiator” because of the discriminatory nature of the comments of the comments or a 8 if there was a pattern of this type of verbal abuse. For the respondent I would give a 6, since this was a minimal physical “assault”, a 2 to any student witnesses who did not “intervene” with the apparent short duration of the event, a 5 to any staff who witnessed the event, and a 3 to the school for not having significant programs in place to monitor for and educate about bullying (this is an assumptions since I do not have all the facts).

In the last post’s incident I would have given the initiator an 8 since this was clearly an “aggressive” bullying event from a known perpetrator and a proper request to stop the action was given. I would give the respondent a 2 if the child were in fear of assault (still should have tried to reach an adult of other “supportive student), or a 5 if not (assuming that this was a tackling event, if a hitting event then a 7). I would give witnessing students a 3 if the school has not provided them with a proper bullying prevention curriculum and a 5 if they have. I would give the monitoring staff (assuming there was one) and 6 or an 8 based on training. I would give the school and 8 if they have some level of comprehensive bullying program and a 10 if they do not.

One question, what remedial actions were taken for the other “responsible” parties and were they proportionate to their level of responsibility.

Of course physical violence is not acceptable unless it is 100% defensive and all other alterative have been exhausted and it is to prevent physical injury.

bookwormde
 
Why double punish? The in school suspension is the punishment.

We are examples for those around us. I see kids online copying the actions of the older kids and that is why an in home grounding. I see 10 year olds with images of sex and violence while on the same page is cartoon characters. Kids use acronyms and chatspeak and do not know what they are saying.

An in home grounding tells the boy that he was wrong and that while suspended from school he cannot be on the computer playing games, at WDW on rides, or out skateboarding in the park. It shows that he broke home rules also. I did not mean harsh punishment like no computer games for life, lol.

What if some young kid saw an older kid hit another kid? How many times have we heard of kids imitating life and the movies like doing stunts, karate chops, wrestling moves, and pyrotechniques. I see to many kids each day in sims, boards and chat rooms who are in trouble because they copied what the others were doing.
 
mechurchlady----I don't think you understand "in school suspension"--that means the child stays at school and serves the suspension in an area that is away from his class, but supervised. Usually the students do not go to specials or even eat lunch with their class during that time--they just work and read.
 
mechurchlady----I don't think you understand "in school suspension"--that means the child stays at school and serves the suspension in an area that is away from his class, but supervised. Usually the students do not go to specials or even eat lunch with their class during that time--they just work and read.

I thought it was a typo and do not have kids. I never got suspended and in my day you was suspended and sent home not suspended but at school. ooh i need to learn about the modern world.
 
I thought it was a typo and do not have kids. I never got suspended and in my day you was suspended and sent home not suspended but at school. ooh i need to learn about the modern world.

Sending kids home turned out to be ineffective and a real hardship for some families where a day off is financially impossible. An "in school" suspension generally consists of sitting in the corner of the office doing school work all day, isolated from other kids. At our school they eat at the desk and use the bathroom next to the office. They do not go to recess or to lunch. This is much more consistent than sending the kids home where there may or may not be any consequences. :)
 
I know it is of topic but is was “struck” by how much Devilduckie’s description of in school suspensions sounds like the “perfect” vacation for and aspie child.

Sorry for wandering.

bookwormde
 
I know it is of topic but is was “struck” by how much Devilduckie’s description of in school suspensions sounds like the “perfect” vacation for and aspie child.

Sorry for wandering.

bookwormde

Sounds like a normal day for me in school. Actually it would be more fun at school than at home. That is more like just taking away priviledges and I think they used to do that. Bad memory since birth so how am I to remember but do remember having to set in a circle in the middle of the blacktop once with Nori Z. in grade school.
 
While it was wonderful that the OP's son was brave and proud enough to stand up for his mother, you'd have thought it was OK to hit another student??? :confused3

My daughter 'took down' the class bully one day at recess, a boy at least twice her size who wouldn't stop chasing her even though she told him to stop. She spent the afternoon in the assistant principal's office, as there is no excuse for any sort of violence in school whatsoever. I explained to her what better choices she could have made. I'm sure the OP's son realized he should have stopped before he hit the other student, and that using his words (and reporting the incident to an adult) would have sufficed.

If I was a principal and a parent came to me to defend a child who had hit another one, and I felt that parent was being aggressive, I'd call the police. No one has the right to threaten anyone else, even if you think your child was unfairly punished. Kids get blamed for things they didn't do all the time - life's not fair, people make mistakes, and an ISS isn't the end of the world.

While the OP was rightfully proud of her son for standing up for her, I'm hoping she'd rather that her son didn't cuff the other kid??? And I'm hoping you all realize that kids make bad choices sometimes, they learn and grow from them, and the parents that always back up their little darlings because their little darlings do no wrong make kids turn into nasty little monsters at school, because they know their parents will come pitch a fit if the darling gets served with consequences. I get to see the nasty monsters and their parents at the high school level. It isn't pretty...


Sorry but I have to disagree.

Sometimes you just have to hit another kid to open their eyes. Let me give you my kids problems.

My youngest son is Autistic, goes to a public school. 4 years ago we moved here, and the kids ride the bus to school. EVERY year, I have to, at least 3 times take my youngest son to the hospital (now age 10) for getting hurt on the bus. 1 time my daughter (age 13), and 2 times my oldest son (age 15). Now in my opinion that is BS!!! First insident I talked to the bus driver. No change, second insident, I talked to principle who talked to the bus driver who lied to cover his @@@, 3rd time, again, principle, 4th and 5th. By this time school was out. Keep in mind here, since I tattled on him he is acting like a little spoiled brat and is mad at me, if my kids aren't at the end of the drive he just drives right on by. My kids have missed 5 days of school due to his crap.

Second year, went to the principle about it. Second insident, principle. Third insident went to bus drivers boss, who said this to me...."Well Aaron is a great bus driver". I told him I beg to differ as I have had this going on since we moved here, he further said "Aaron is a great bus driver, he was my star pupil". Aaron is about 45 years old, what the heck has him being a good student over 20 years ago have to do with his incompetence to be a bus driver.

So, I got no where, 3rd year, went to principle who basically said, "Ms Lee, there is nothing I can do (in other words, I am sick of hearing it"). So then I went to the Superintendent. Who promised me he'd look into and get back with me, well he never did. So I told the principle to tell the Super I want my other 2 kids to sit with my youngest (he is my main concern).

Then the 4th year. All hell broke lose. My oldest son got lunch detention because someone tripped him (same bully for the past 3 years) and my son is large and when he turned around to get up he hit the kid with his book, so the kid did not get in trouble, but my son did. The same kids little brother, bent and bit my youngest sons finger to the point he could not bend it, it was swollen horribly and we had to put ice on it. This is also the same kid that shoved my 10 year old into the window frame and he had a knot on his head, severe head aches for over week.

Now, to top this off, my oldest son comes home one day and tells me his best friend got kicked out of school for 3 days and has to go to an alternative school, this is twice now, makes you wonder what type of kid this is. Well anyway, his mom and I get talking and much to my suprise, her son got kicked out of school for beating up the kid that has been beating up my son for 3 YEARS!!!! And I did not even know this was going on. Same kid that tripped him. She then goes on to tell me about all the name calling they do on the bus, how they hit him, spit at him, etc. And she has been in this school longer than we have and says, this is an everyday occurance if you are not athetic. So, hmmmm I think to myself.

Well, after hearing that, and seeing my 10 year old suffer the way he was, both on the bus and in school I pulled him out of school.

When his doctor found out I did this, she asked how his grades were. I told her, that it is odd, he has been an a/b student from kindergarten, and now all of the sudden since he went back to school this year he has made nothing but F's. I demanded a new teacher as I did not feel it was him. I was denied that, both the principle (new principle) and teacher said my son was not applying himself, he was being lazy, he was sleeping in class (this was all news to me, no one had ever said anything) and that he never turned in his homework. My son did homework every night I helped him. So anyway, it had gotten to the point for 7 weeks my son had headaches, stomaches, and just a nervous wreck, so I begged him to hold on until Christmas break, but I couldn't bare to see him suffer anymore, I pulled him out.

The doctor said, all the trauma on the bus is most likely why his grades dropped, he feared going to school and she thinks he sat in class all day fearing the ride home.

This is sad, no 10 year old child should have to endure this crap, and especially and autistic child. And you know what? The reason this happened to him is because I taught him not to hit back, just turn the other cheek and they will leave you alone. I wished to God I would of had both my boys to haul off and punch both these boys, and yes, I would of been proud of them.
Bullies do not leave kids alone until they fight back.

So I blame this on the school board, I spoke to them until I was blue in the face, to protect my child I know have to home school him and that is not right.

So don't go saying that we baby our kids and back them because they do no wrong, the only thing my son did was once loved to ride the bus to school until he was beat up so many times by someone that need their butts busted by their mom or dad years ago!!!!
 



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