Don't like the way they run the MNSSH

[Disneyliscious]

WOW! Are you serious right now?! First of all, I didn't think about it being near the parade or ANYTHING like that. I am eating at Tony's because they are one of only two restaurants that I was able to manage to eat and almost full meal without choking, because they are good at making a meal how I can eat it! I'm a two time cancer survivor. Stage 4 head and neck cancer. I have severe radiation damage. I am finally able to eat some solid foods, but I was on a PEG tube that went straight into my stomach for eighteen months. I DIDN'T EAT NOT ONE BITE OF FOOD FOR TEN MONTHS! I've had numerous surgeries to even be able to manage to swallow what I can, which is very soft foods. I cannot eat meat, and there is a list of things I cannot swallow! I love how people like you assume the worst in people and think they lying or something. I'm sorry, but your post has really upset me greatLy! My heart is just pounding right now I can hardly see because my eyes are tearing up. You really should be ashamed of yourself. I clearly said in my post that I had swallowing problems. I really hope you never understand what it's like to be in this nightmare of cancer that I live with and the daily pain and battle I have. Not just physically, but the joy I also once had with eating, because I DON'T HAVE THAT ANYMORE! I weigh 104 pounds soaking wet and by far, my greatest challenge when I go to WDW is trying to manage to get enough nutrition for the days I'm there! At home, I don't go out to restaurants, it's too hard to get food I can eat.

I guess maybe I should ask to be seated inside with my back to any window or ask to eat my meal blindfolded to prove I just want to eat dinner?

I think I'm done posting on these boards, at least for a while.

I want you to know that I feel horrible after reading your post. I assumed, and well, we all know what that does. Yes, I am ashamed of my accusation towards you and am very sorry I upset you so badly. You have been through a lot, yet you survived because you were a fighter. And not only were you a fighter in your real life.....you continued to be a fighter online and stand up to some stranger who had been mean. And again, you won. I don't know what possessed me to type that about you last night. Honestly, I come to these boards every few years when I get ready to plan a trip and am overwhelmed by all the cheating of the system I see going on here. It utterly disgusts me to see the hoggy, greedy nature of people (like using old MB's with no ticket attached to get more FP+ when you enter a park). The day before I had spoken to a CM for quite some time about all this.....people booking multiple ADR's for the same restaurant on the same day/week, the MB cheating, just the overall lengths people are going to in order to cheat the system. The actions of people like that affect other guests but they don't care. And its because of people like that, that Disney doesn't seem quite as magical to many anymore.

I hadn't considered the lingering in the parks on a party night until this thread and then it hit me that this is another way some people try and cheat the system. It begs me to wonder if there are any good, moral people left anymore who think of others instead of themselves. But you showed me that my assumptions of you make me no better than the people I have been complaining about.

I hope you dont stop visiting these boards. These boards can be fun and should be a positive part in planning our trips. While I still stand by my views on the 7pm closure, I apologize for my assumptions about you.

Whenever you eat your dinner at Tonys, I hope you don't sit there wondering if people are looking at you to see if you have a wristband on. I hope you take your time and enjoy your meal for as long as you wish. Enjoy it with your family for as long as possible. My last trip to Disney World I had dinner with my mother. This trip....she won't be along to eat with me. She died of cancer less than 2 years ago.

Thank you for putting me in my place. I needed it.

 

[Rivermonster]

I want you to know that I feel horrible after reading your post. I assumed, and well, we all know what that does. Yes, I am ashamed of my accusation towards you and am very sorry I upset you so badly. You have been through a lot, yet you survived because you were a fighter. And not only were you a fighter in your real life.....you continued to be a fighter online and stand up to some stranger who had been mean. And again, you won. I don't know what possessed me to type that about you last night. Honestly, I come to these boards every few years when I get ready to plan a trip and am overwhelmed by all the cheating of the system I see going on here. It utterly disgusts me to see the hoggy, greedy nature of people (like using old MB's with no ticket attached to get more FP+ when you enter a park). The day before I had spoken to a CM for quite some time about all this.....people booking multiple ADR's for the same restaurant on the same day/week, the MB cheating, just the overall lengths people are going to in order to cheat the system. The actions of people like that affect other guests but they don't care. And its because of people like that, that Disney doesn't seem quite as magical to many anymore.

I hadn't considered the lingering in the parks on a party night until this thread and then it hit me that this is another way some people try and cheat the system. It begs me to wonder if there are any good, moral people left anymore who think of others instead of themselves. But you showed me that my assumptions of you make me no better than the people I have been complaining about.

I hope you dont stop visiting these boards. These boards can be fun and should be a positive part in planning our trips. While I still stand by my views on the 7pm closure, I apologize for my assumptions about you.

Whenever you eat your dinner at Tonys, I hope you don't sit there wondering if people are looking at you to see if you have a wristband on. I hope you take your time and enjoy your meal for as long as you wish. Enjoy it with your family for as long as possible. My last trip to Disney World I had dinner with my mother. This trip....she won't be along to eat with me. She died of cancer less than 2 years ago.

Thank you for putting me in my place. I needed it.

Applause. Well said.

 

[Fire14]

I know way back when all party guests were limited to 1 land until 7p and that land was basically closed after certain time to non party guests. Maybe Disney needs to go back to that. I know recently I was in MK on party night and never felt rushed out but it was before 7p and I was actively working my way out of park.

 

[larryz]

Because, justified or not, allowed or not, you are.

It's a food service venue that happens to be inside the park. Her ADR is pre-party. She will not be participating in any party activities inside the restaurant. The restaurant is very close by the exit, to which she will be escorted once she has completed her meal.

WDW makes accommodations for those diners who will finish their meals after the party starts. If they didn't want this to happen, they wouldn't let people without party tickets make ADRs for 90 minutes before the party starts.

 

[ArwenMarie]

With all due respect to your situation, you don't think it was a reasonable assumption based on the tenor of the thread?

You know when the park closes to you; you know that you'll take a long time to eat. Clearly, your intent is to be at the park after the hours in which your ticket entitles you to be there. There's no other explanation as to your choices. You might not be trying to see a parade or an early show, you may not have any nefarious plans at all. But it's not unreasonable for someone to assume there is given your detailed explanation of the way you see things playing out.

These boards are filled with people looking to justify their actions, be it from throwaway rooms or pool hopping to multiple ADRs to place holding in A&E. Or finding a way to stay at a party for a while without paying for it. They are equally filled with people who question the correctness of that action. You certainly should have seen a lot of both during your stay on the boards. There's no reason to get righteously indignant at someone who reads your post and interprets it as a way of fudging the rules (which it clearly is), and there's no reason to throw your cancer in his face. He (or she) read what you wrote and interpreted it in a perfectly normal way. Your circumstances may be extenuating, but you know something, everyone's circumstances are extenuating. The kid whose hitting me in line may be autistic; the people who sneak into Stormalong Bay may have spent their life saving just to be able to afford PoP and are trying to save their daughter's much-dreamed-of-first-and-only Disney vacation. All those circumstances may be perfectly valid to the person offering them. But it doesn't mean that the rest of us have to be accepting of it.

I'm not trying to be unsympathetic, but at the same time we all have stories that make us think the way we do. The writer who responded to you had no way of knowing that you were a center survivor, had no way of knowing the extent of your swallowing issues, had no way of knowing any of the circumstances. he (or she) just assumed that, based on your own words, you were fudging the rules. You know why? Because, justified or not, allowed or not, you are.

Oh dear, please don't.

There is another explanation for her choices. She is going to enjoy the park until 7 as she is entitled to as a day guest and then she is going to grab a meal before she leaves and Disney allows this, so there is no debate here, and there is no reason to be questioning her intentions.

 

[cakebaker]

Disneylicious did the right thing in my book- and perhaps others should follow suit and let it alone.

There are plenty of ways to cheat the system that people openly plot and plan on these boards to get up in arms about.

If you schedule an ADR before park closing, I don't care how close it is to park closing, you are in no way cheating the system. It is allowed by rule, not by default. If you try and evade having to leave, you're breaking the rules. You'll probably be caught and escorted out.

I'm a real stickler for rules, but I only consider it my business what others do when what they're doing affects me in some way or will cause Disney to make rule changes that will cost me. There's plenty of examples of that sort of thing going on, but this isn't one of them.

 

[whiporee]

She is going to enjoy the park until 7 as she is entitled to as a day guest and then she is going to grab a meal before she leaves and Disney allows this, so there is no debate here, and there is no reason to be questioning her intentions.

I wasn't saying she was being nefarious -- i think I actually said that in the next sentence. But if you take an ADR for five minutes before closing, your intent is to be there after closing.

it might be allowed, it might be okay, it might be acceptable. But the intent is to be there after closing. I don't think there's any way around that.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Yes, my post was in response to someone saying that the ADR system doesn't care if you have a theme park ticket. I was pointing out that it always tells you you need one for an in park ADR.

Ah, ok, I think I.missed that post!

 

[Angel Ariel]

With all due respect to your situation, you don't think it was a reasonable assumption based on the tenor of the thread?

Matahari had already stated she had swallowing problems. It wouldn't occur to me that someone would make up such a thing to conveniently justify having a longer meal, which is what the accusation was.

I do realize that person has now apologized, so I hope that pp doesn't take this as a comment against them - it isn't. I read your apology and appreciated its sincerity.

 

[ArwenMarie]

I wasn't saying she was being nefarious -- i think I actually said that in the next sentence. But if you take an ADR for five minutes before closing, your intent is to be there after closing.

it might be allowed, it might be okay, it might be acceptable. But the intent is to be there after closing. I don't think there's any way around that.

You wrote this..

"He (or she) just assumed that, based on your own words, you were fudging the rules. You know why? Because, justified or not, allowed or not, you are."

You said that she is fudging the rules. My point is that she is not. She is following the rules that WDW set up.

 

[MataHari22]

I want you to know that I feel horrible after reading your post. I assumed, and well, we all know what that does. Yes, I am ashamed of my accusation towards you and am very sorry I upset you so badly. You have been through a lot, yet you survived because you were a fighter. And not only were you a fighter in your real life.....you continued to be a fighter online and stand up to some stranger who had been mean. And again, you won. I don't know what possessed me to type that about you last night. Honestly, I come to these boards every few years when I get ready to plan a trip and am overwhelmed by all the cheating of the system I see going on here. It utterly disgusts me to see the hoggy, greedy nature of people (like using old MB's with no ticket attached to get more FP+ when you enter a park). The day before I had spoken to a CM for quite some time about all this.....people booking multiple ADR's for the same restaurant on the same day/week, the MB cheating, just the overall lengths people are going to in order to cheat the system. The actions of people like that affect other guests but they don't care. And its because of people like that, that Disney doesn't seem quite as magical to many anymore.

I hadn't considered the lingering in the parks on a party night until this thread and then it hit me that this is another way some people try and cheat the system. It begs me to wonder if there are any good, moral people left anymore who think of others instead of themselves. But you showed me that my assumptions of you make me no better than the people I have been complaining about.

I hope you dont stop visiting these boards. These boards can be fun and should be a positive part in planning our trips. While I still stand by my views on the 7pm closure, I apologize for my assumptions about you.

Whenever you eat your dinner at Tonys, I hope you don't sit there wondering if people are looking at you to see if you have a wristband on. I hope you take your time and enjoy your meal for as long as you wish. Enjoy it with your family for as long as possible. My last trip to Disney World I had dinner with my mother. This trip....she won't be along to eat with me. She died of cancer less than 2 years ago.

Thank you for putting me in my place. I needed it.

Thank you for the apology. I appreciate it, and I accept it.

 

[CampbellzSoup]

Guys don't be upset we are here to enjoy ourselves let's not let stupid people here make our time unenjoyable!

Smile and know your going to Disney!!! You make your dining reservations for when you want and squeeze every bit of magic you can from the parks!

 

[Nancyg56]

Best wishes on yo

WOW! Are you serious right now?! First of all, I didn't think about it being near the parade or ANYTHING like that. I am eating at Tony's because they are one of only two restaurants that I was able to manage to eat and almost full meal without choking, because they are good at making a meal how I can eat it! I'm a two time cancer survivor. Stage 4 head and neck cancer. I have severe radiation damage. I am finally able to eat some solid foods, but I was on a PEG tube that went straight into my stomach for eighteen months. I DIDN'T EAT NOT ONE BITE OF FOOD FOR TEN MONTHS! I've had numerous surgeries to even be able to manage to swallow what I can, which is very soft foods. I cannot eat meat, and there is a list of things I cannot swallow! I love how people like you assume the worst in people and think they lying or something. I'm sorry, but your post has really upset me greatLy! My heart is just pounding right now I can hardly see because my eyes are tearing up. You really should be ashamed of yourself. I clearly said in my post that I had swallowing problems. I really hope you never understand what it's like to be in this nightmare of cancer that I live with and the daily pain and battle I have. Not just physically, but the joy I also once had with eating, because I DON'T HAVE THAT ANYMORE! I weigh 104 pounds soaking wet and by far, my greatest challenge when I go to WDW is trying to manage to get enough nutrition for the days I'm there! At home, I don't go out to restaurants, it's too hard to get food I can eat.

I guess maybe I should ask to be seated inside with my back to any window or ask to eat my meal blindfolded to prove I just want to eat dinner?

I think I'm done posting on these boards, at least for a while.

Best wishes on your survival! I am the Survivorship committee chair of our Relay For Life event next Saturday. My entire job is to see to the health, comfort and wellbeing of those brave cancer survivors who battle the elements to come to our event and agree to be that face of hope. Food, while necessary, has ceased to be that enjoyable treat to many of those in my care, and while I work very hard to find healthy, tasty choices for the people who have breakfast and lunch with me, I noticed the many liked the ice cream I offer. It is funny that something so small and that we al took for granted yesterday is often the ony food some people can eat.

I hope that you will not leave the boards becasue someone did not think before pressing send. If anything, your post provided more information for those people who really do not understand that Disney is one of the safest and most welcoming environments for people who have challenges of any kind, and that if we want to be helpful on a Disney Message board, it is best to keep opinions of what "should be" separated from the structures that Disney has in place.

When we look at all the changes that have taken place in terms of value vs cost, one thing has not changed. Disney is the best place to visit if you have any conditions that need compassion. My DGD was one of those people who benefited from Disney's stellar handling of food allergies, and for that, I will always be grateful. We knew that we could vacation in WDW and she would be safe, and not one person there would begrudge her any special considerations that she might need in the event there was nothing on the children's menu that would be safe for her. For that alone, I am a loyal WDW patron, and will choose to spend my vacation dollar there.

 

[MataHari22]

Congratulations on being a 2x cancer survivor! Not all of us immediately jump to thinking that people are trying to get around the system. And i hope you enjoy your trip and its great you found a resturant that suits your "diet" needs, having worked with someone with similar swallowing issues I have an idea of how hard that is, so i would not worry and enjoy your time at Tonys!

Don't leave, just do as Larry said, use the Ignore option if needed. It's a great tool.

Congrats on being a cancer survivor, that's amazing, you have been through so much. I hope you have a most wonderful, magical trip!

I know it is easier said than done, but don't let this make you angry. It isn't worth the effort.

I hope you have a magical trip - sounds like you really deserve it. And remember, you AREN'T doing anything against Disney rules! It doesn't matter what other people think the rules "should" be. What matters is Disney's rules. Just make sure you are actually checked in before 7 pm so they don't give you a hard time. I haven't ever tried to get ADRs around that time and situation, but i know in other situations I have had to wait in a long line to even check in for my ADRs. So plan a little buffer time so that you aren't late checking in and get disappointed that you can't eat.

Maggie

You don't have to justify your reasons to anyone. Congrats on being a cancer survivor and for getting off your feeding tube. While I have never suffered from such devastating illness, I did suffer from celiac disease for quite some time before diagnosis, and I can relate to not being able to tolerate but only a small number of foods.

Your specific circumstances aside, I personally find it quite harsh for someone to say "enjoy the parade you didn't pay for" to anyone. Who cares? I hope you do get to see the parade from Tony's because it would be a neat experience, and it's not like you would be infringing on any paying partygoers space from your table. We have spent over $200 on our MNSSHP tix, and I could care less if there are still people in the park with ADRs who didn't pay for the party and might catch the parade. I'm not the least bit concerned with what other people MIGHT be doing there because it's really none of my business. I'm only worried about my family and our fun.

I hope you have a wonderful trip and that you will reconsider leaving these boards over some very thoughtless and pointless comments. Best wishes in your battle against cancer too. My mom is undergoing chemo and radiation now, so my heart really goes out to you. God bless!

It's a food service venue that happens to be inside the park. Her ADR is pre-party. She will not be participating in any party activities inside the restaurant. The restaurant is very close by the exit, to which she will be escorted once she has completed her meal.

WDW makes accommodations for those diners who will finish their meals after the party starts. If they didn't want this to happen, they wouldn't let people without party tickets make ADRs for 90 minutes before the party starts.

Oh dear, please don't.

There is another explanation for her choices. She is going to enjoy the park until 7 as she is entitled to as a day guest and then she is going to grab a meal before she leaves and Disney allows this, so there is no debate here, and there is no reason to be questioning her intentions.

Disneylicious did the right thing in my book- and perhaps others should follow suit and let it alone.

There are plenty of ways to cheat the system that people openly plot and plan on these boards to get up in arms about.

If you schedule an ADR before park closing, I don't care how close it is to park closing, you are in no way cheating the system. It is allowed by rule, not by default. If you try and evade having to leave, you're breaking the rules. You'll probably be caught and escorted out.

I'm a real stickler for rules, but I only consider it my business what others do when what they're doing affects me in some way or will cause Disney to make rule changes that will cost me. There's plenty of examples of that sort of thing going on, but this isn't one of them.

Thank you for the well wishes and support. I appreciate it.


And for anyone else just following along, it's also my intent to get to Tony's no later than 6:30 for my ADR and talk to them, like I do at every other meal I go to. It's also clearly stated on all my ADRs that I have dysphagia and what my needs are. This will be my 3rd trip to WDW after having cancer, and I cannot express how stressful it is trying to be able to get enough to eat. I also have just gotten over pneumonia because of aspirating on my food. So for people who take swallowing and eating for granted, don't.

 

[Nancyg56]

Applause. Well said.

DItto that!

 

[Nancyg56]

I wasn't saying she was being nefarious -- i think I actually said that in the next sentence. But if you take an ADR for five minutes before closing, your intent is to be there after closing.

it might be allowed, it might be okay, it might be acceptable. But the intent is to be there after closing. I don't think there's any way around that.

The park restaurants are really separated from the parks in may respects. They serve dinner well after park closing, and Disney transportation is set up to make that happen. On party nights, most restaurants close when the party begins, probably because they have no reason to stay open and operating Party goers are done eating by 7. The party takes place outside of the restaurants. People who are having dinner after 7 are really just enjoying a meal after having spent their day in the park. They gain nothing but dinner.

 

[Missyrose]

But the intent is to be there after closing. I don't think there's any way around that.

Her intent is to eat her meal and she knows that means her meal with go past closing. But you are adding another intent by insinuating that staying past closing means she wants to enjoy party environment.

 

[CampbellzSoup]

Her intent is to eat her meal and she knows that means her meal with go past closing. But you are adding another intent by insinuating that staying past closing means she wants to enjoy party environment.

Exactly she's paying the day price ticket for half a days experience and no fireworks - does it offend people she might hear some halloween music as she's being escorted from the park?

If people are using it to try and cheat the tickets you will be caught and you will be escorted out.

If your just extending your magic a bit- enjoy and I'll let you know how the Halloween party is!

 

[Disneyliscious]

paying the day price ticket for half a days experience and no fireworks

This has no bearing on anything. Anyone buying a day park ticket on a MNSSHP day is aware the park closes early. They are choosing to buy these ticekts which means they are ok with a shorter park stay and not seeing the parade or fireworks. You can't use that as justification for anything because the ticket holder has made the conscious choice to attend the park on a MNSSHP day.

 

[CampbellzSoup]

Justification for what...? Staying until 6:55 to make an ADR that Disney allows you to? What's the justification your alluding to?