Don't Forget Your Tires!

Larry - you can wait 8 years if you want to. We're in America, and that's your privilege. My life and my initial investment in the MH is more valuable to me than the cost of 6 RV tires. That being said, if I'm ever near you on the road and one of your tires blows and causes ME harm, and your tires are older than 4-5 years, you best have some fantastic insurance coverage. I will own your sorry behind. It is nothing short of irresponsible and reprehensible to put other people in harms way because you "think" you are smarter than the people that manufacture the tires.
 
I have a 2003 trailer, and last october, I had 1 blow out, 1 flat and one flat when I got home on my way home from the fort, my best guess, is that they were about 7 yrs old!, the 4th tire was split when I took it off this spring, so I would NOT and I repeat NOT wait 8 yrs. I inspected my tires before we left, and they looked fine, they looked fine when we got to the Fort, and I had the first flat about an hour from the Fort. The blow out was in GA, at 4 am, and it sucked fixing that one on the side of the road!!

I replaced all 4 with these...

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They are a commercial type tire from gladiator... I love em!!
 
say Larry,,just curious ,,do you have Goodyear tires ?

Yes, I have been running them since around 1996 on two different trailers and have probably put close to 60 to 75K miles including a grand circle of the U.S. (over 11K miles) back in 2004. We also made 6 to 8 400 mile roundtrips for football games for 10 years, a yearly 2K trip to Chicago for around 8 years, an almost yearly 2K round trip to FW, and an almost 3K trip up to Maine last year. With the exception of the flat I had last month, I have never had a blowout or another flat. I will say that I never go more than 60, always have my tires inflated to the max., and pay close attention to try as best I can to avoid some of these potholes on the Interstates. Except when on trips, my tires are never stowed where the sun hits them and I always have them loaded to within 100lbs to 200lbs of their max load rating. I always hit a set of scales on a trip and I have even done a side to side wt. measurement. Three times I would consider replace tire(s) out side of tread wear or visible issues such as bulges, even minor checking/cracking (this would include even a couple of cracks even minor) would be:

1. If I thought I had run it underinflated or overloaded. In as I mentioned I did replace two tires that were made in March 2006 last month, because of the flat I had. Thus I no longer trusted the other tire on that side. So I bought two new ones in Jackonsville and replaced the one that went flat and the existing one on the that side and kept the spare as the spare.

2. If I hit a significant pothole that I think might have damaged the tires on that side.

3. Before a really long trip like the 11K one and the one to Maine I mentioned. I did this for the 11K trip along with taking an unmounted tire with me in addition to my mounted spare. I didn't do anything for the Me trip since the tires were barely 3 years old at the time. I might replace a 5year old tire for like the 11K trip, but would feel comfortable using a 6 to maybe 7 year old tire for something like even the Me. trip.

We are planning on a long trip down to Key West next year and I might just replace the two that weren't replaced this year which would be just close to 5 1/2 years. This would be mainly for insurance and to avoid the hassle of doing something on the road and the place I got my tires in Jacksonville gave me a very good price including upgraded HP valve stems the right length and were very quick.

I also keep a very accurate record of towing miles and how old and how many miles are on which tire and I never rotate or have them balanced. Unfortunately I didn't save the records for the previous trailer that I used the GYs on from 1996 to 2007, but seem to remember getting generally in the neighborhood of 24 to 36K miles out of each tire. I can't remember the time each tire was used, but my guess would be it might be less that 5 years, but most of the time I have used tread wear which is probably do to how heavy a load I have on each tire for almost all my tire replacements. Since using the GYs I have never had a bulge, or lost any tread, but I regularly use 303 on them and give the insides the best squirt I can at least once a year.

I feel a lot of tire problems are from towing too fast, and damage from either hitting something like a pothole, underinfation, or overloading them due to having a flat or running one side on a side underinflated and not replacing the tire on that side that didn't have the issue. Damage can be done very quickly to a tire and then that tire should no longer be used, except as a spare.

Larry
 

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Never saw lungs like that on a tool before coming here.
 
Damage can be done very quickly to a tire and then that tire should no longer be used, except as a spare.

Larry

Anyone that would use as a spare, a tire that they wouldn't use on the ground full-time, is a fool.
 
Larry - you can wait 8 years if you want to. We're in America, and that's your privilege. My life and my initial investment in the MH is more valuable to me than the cost of 6 RV tires. That being said, if I'm ever near you on the road and one of your tires blows and causes ME harm, and your tires are older than 4-5 years, you best have some fantastic insurance coverage. I will own your sorry behind. It is nothing short of irresponsible and reprehensible to put other people in harms way because you "think" you are smarter than the people that manufacture the tires.

Show me a manufacturer that puts a time limit of 5 yrs on an RV tire which I won't hold my breath on. Having a blowout or a flat especially on the steer axle on a MH is very different that having a flat on one tire on a tandem axle trailer. You could loose control of the MH, but shouldn't with a tandem axle trailer. Sure you might tear up you trailer some, but you will not put others in Harm's way. You obviously think they are the same, but IMHO they are very different. I also said trying to lock replacing every 5 years in stone was not correct and I used the 8 years as THE MAX I would go. I also added that just a time frame is not what you should actually base replacing a tire at and that other factors are a better indicator of when to replace a tire.

I had to replace the tires on my Van that were barely 4 years old and only had 47K on them and the tread was good because of cracks. However that was before I started using 303 on my tires and my current tires are doing fine with 5 years on them.

Even the Rubber Manufacturers Association in THIS DOCUMENT clearly states in their lead-in paragraph title says Service Life is Not Determined by Chronological Age. While these are not for RV tires even Uniroyal puts a 10 year service life and recommends yearly inspections after they are 5 years old LINK. Cooper makes the same 10 year time limit HERE. Both clearly state that any specified time frame is not to be used for replacing the tires and I might have missed it, but I didn't see any special yearly inspection requirements for Cooper tires.

As far as legal stuff THIS 2005 Case says you're way off on the legal stuff as well.

I have given what I consider 4 reliable reference all of which say time frames are not to be used (except for the 10 year) so for you to call me irresponsible and reprehensible is what I would call ignorant of the facts and uniformed. All I said is I don't agree with the flat out 5 year service life and I might go up to 8 years under the proper conditions/use and I'll repeat I'm the only one that has provided any support for my 8 max year number.

I can't believe when faced with the facts folks refuse to listen or consider them. This is a big issue here and that's really too bad that all people want to do is attack instead of engaging in meaningful discussion.

Larry
 
"We are planning on a long trip down to Key West next year and I might just replace the two that weren't replaced this year which would be just close to 5 1/2 years. This would be mainly for insurance and to avoid the hassle of doing something on the road and the place I got my tires in Jacksonville gave me a very good price including upgraded HP valve stems the right length and were very quick."

So now you are saying it is okay to replace a tire that is 5 years old with no visible problem. Seems like you are contradicting yourself here, Larry.

" Damage can be done very quickly to a tire and then that tire should no longer be used, except as a spare."

Why would you even think of using a tire that may be unsafe as a spare? That is probably the most ridiculous advice you have given. Show me the reference where you learned that one.
Larry

Time for a check up, Larry. Get a full workup.
 
I thought I was on his ignore list, actually, I thought I was the original member of his ignore list, but he has quoted me numerous times in the last couple weeks. I don't think he has any of us on ignore, because if he did, then he wouldn't have anyone to be condescending to!!
 
As my final post in this thread and not in reply to anyone specifically, both BFG HERE and Michelin HERE both have the yearly inspections after 5 years and replacement at 10 years. FWIW a lot of tires on the larger 5ers and even some TT use LT tires as either OEM equipment or as an owner upgrade. So clearly this 5 year fixed time is not a good or valid recommendation as an absolute time limit for these units as the OP blanket and fixed 5 year limit was stating that I did not agree with .Even my so called irresponsible idea of a max 8 year limit is under all the manufacturers limit by two years if your TT/5er has LT tires on it.

Have fun further trashing this thread with off topic and senseless/useless posts most of which I'm sure will be directed at me, but fortunately the forum software has saved me from seeing about 25% or so of them so far.:thumbsup2

Larry
 
As my final post in this thread and not in reply to anyone specifically, both BFG HERE and Michelin HERE both have the yearly inspections after 5 years and replacement at 10 years. FWIW a lot of tires on the larger 5ers and even some TT use LT tires as either OEM equipment or as an owner upgrade. So clearly this 5 year fixed time is not a good or valid recommendation as an absolute time limit for these units as the OP blanket and fixed 5 year limit was stating that I did not agree with .Even my so called irresponsible idea of a max 8 year limit is under all the manufacturers limit by two years if your TT/5er has LT tires on it.

Have fun further trashing this thread with off topic and senseless/useless posts most of which I'm sure will be directed at me, but fortunately the forum software has saved me from seeing about 25% or so of them so far.:thumbsup2

Larry

So there.
 
You mean Larry took his ball and went home? Now what are we gonna do?
 















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