Does this sound right? Daycare question.

connorlevismom

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We are due with a baby in October and will need to start at a daycare in January. We toured several centers and found one that we love (there is a waiting list) and one that we really like. We put money down for the one to go on the waitlist. If we cannot get it, they will refund the money. Here is where I am confused. The one that we really like has openings for when we need it. I went to register today and got the strangest answer when I asked about making sure there was going to be a spot for our child come January. I was told that they could not guarantee me a spot until about a month before the baby would start. Now, I am confused. I filled out my registation form, paid the $150.00 fee to register and you cannot guarantee me a spot? Isn't that what the $150.00 is supposed to do? Hold me a spot? She told me they cannot tell me what could happen in the future but at this time they see no reason I should not have a spot. Does this seem right to you? I mean, why bother registering if it really does nothing for you?

Kristine
 
At our child care center, registration fees are not for holding spots. They are fpr registering your child. They help cover costs of supplies, salaries, new equipment, etc.

If we want to hold a spot, even for an unbron child, we pay a $50 holding fee (in lieu of full tuition) per month. This will guarentee the spot. The registration is also paid up front and is non refundable. This is very common where we live (Houston, TX area).
 
This happened to us once.
We had a space but then the baby who was the right age to move up wasn't "ready" and was staying in infant room longer. At some point babies have to move up to the older room, but there's a few months where there is overlap. In our case they moved kids from the infant room to the toddler room berween 15-19 months. And i guess the child wasn't ready.
In the end it was fine for us because they moved a different child up.
I think they just cover their bases.
 
The same thing happened for us when we were looking for centers for DS.

We did not get in at our first-choice center. They thought they would have a spot for us, but could not guarantee it. I made the mistake of not having a back-up plan and got left scrambling. (The reason why I ended up not getting a spot was that families with other children in the center and employees have "first dibs" on any spots that free up. Although there was expected to be a space, someone on the "dibs" list needed it, so we didn't get in.)

On the other hand... our second child, it was much easier to get in. We told them when we'd need a spot and they said "sure thing."
 

Here they charge a $300 registration/wait list fee, won't refund it, and won't guarantee a spot either. I've found that a licensed home daycare worked best for my family. I would agree that yes, if you're shelling out money, they should be able to guarantee a spot- or not take the money.
 
It sounds like it's not an unusual practice. I would think there is also the possibility that someone they are expecting to leave won't, meaning no spot. I have never had this situation as I have not worked on getting daycare this early and also because I have always used smaller home daycares so when they say they have a spot they have it. There was no registration fee or form.
 
Spots in good daycares are realy tight around here. Pretty much you had better get on at least 2 wait lists the first open enrollment after you find out you are PG unless you already have a child in a center. In general they charge a nominal wait list fee (around $20) to process your application and put you on the list. From there it depends on the center. The one where we are holds one open registration in Feb. for the next fall any has the spots they expect to be availible mapped out. Employees and current families have 1 week to reclaim their current spot or sign up a new child, and then they strat signing up new families. lat year there were only 3 spots for cildren under 3 and people started lining up to register at like 3 am, but the upside is by doing it this way you are guranteed a sopt if you get one at that time.
 
Our center did this too, its pretty standard here. They knew we'd have a spot, generally speaking, but didn't want to "gaurantee" one that far out just in case they have a child who isn't ready to move to a toddler room, or a teacher out sick or whatever. It worked out fine for us and our center had space for our child.
 
Well, I guess it is not out of the norm then. I just thought that was a little strange. I am afraid to end up a month before I go back to work with nowhere to go but, it is what it is. A home daycare is not an option as that is just not what we want. We prefer a center. So we are signed up at two and hopefully one of them has a spot when we need it.

Kristine
 
The same thing happened for us when we were looking for centers for DS.

We did not get in at our first-choice center. They thought they would have a spot for us, but could not guarantee it. I made the mistake of not having a back-up plan and got left scrambling. (The reason why I ended up not getting a spot was that families with other children in the center and employees have "first dibs" on any spots that free up. Although there was expected to be a space, someone on the "dibs" list needed it, so we didn't get in.)

On the other hand... our second child, it was much easier to get in. We told them when we'd need a spot and they said "sure thing."

This is what I was thinking. Sibs always get in first. Since you are so far out, they can't guarantee that there will not be a sib baby that needs that spot. I know it seems crazy, but when you think about the fact that most centers only take 8 babies or so, they need to cover themselves. I would be more concerned if they guaranteed you a spot. Then they might be going over ratio, which is not safe.
 
To put it simple, the registration fee isn't a holding fee to save the spot for your child. The childcare will be taking other kids between now and the time your baby will start going there. The daycare simply can't keep a newborn spot open between now and January because that would result in them losing thousands of dollars. Most daycares will only hold a spot for 30 days, so it sounds like this place is right on with it.
 
Our policy was that the registration fee had to be paid to be on the waiting list (which for our infant room we never let be more than 3 or 4 on the list, we didn't want to leave people hanging) and most came and paid that early in their pregnancy. In order to reserve the spot, we asked that they begin paying half of the regular tuition each month beginning about 3 months before the child actually comes into the center (within that time we were able to be more exact as to when the opening would come up)

Its really hard for centers with baby rooms. Its a small child-staff ratio (as it should be) and is not very lucrative to the business. Most centers need to keep the room full to break even so most have what may seem like unfair procedures for taking babies/ reserving spots etc.
 
Our policy was that the registration fee had to be paid to be on the waiting list (which for our infant room we never let be more than 3 or 4 on the list, we didn't want to leave people hanging) and most came and paid that early in their pregnancy. In order to reserve the spot, we asked that they begin paying half of the regular tuition each month beginning about 3 months before the child actually comes into the center (within that time we were able to be more exact as to when the opening would come up)

Its really hard for centers with baby rooms. Its a small child-staff ratio (as it should be) and is not very lucrative to the business. Most centers need to keep the room full to break even so most have what may seem like unfair procedures for taking babies/ reserving spots etc.

A center is not lucrative? Really? Infants are $1500.00 a month. 1500.00 times 8 is $12,000 a month just for one infant room. My center has two infant rooms which is then $24,000 a month. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem paying a pretty penny for the right center but I do see them as lucrative. But I am sure there are a lot of things to pay for that I don't know about.

Kristine
 
I can not imagine a daycare that would hold a spot for 7 months. Lets say the monthly rate for an infant is $800 (low end for around here). That is well over $5000 of potential revenue for a holding fee of only $150? That wouldn't be good business at all.

I agree with the others, you're paying for a place on the list. It's not abnormal for a daycare to ask for a registration fee. If the place isn't available when the baby is ready, they should refund it.
 
A center is not lucrative? Really? Infants are $1500.00 a month. 1500.00 times 8 is $12,000 a month just for one infant room. My center has two infant rooms which is then $24,000 a month. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem paying a pretty penny for the right center but I do see them as lucrative. But I am sure there are a lot of things to pay for that I don't know about.

Kristine


an infant or infant/toddler center can be much more expensive to operate which was why they can be in such short supply/high demand in some regions.

the biggest factor can be how a state regulates care. in the state my kids received it in the ratio for teacher to child for kids under 18 months was 1 to 4, at age 18 months it increased to 1 to 6 and did'nt increase again until a child hit age 3 (then a single teacher could have up to 12 kids). so it cost 3 times as much in staffing for the infants and most toddlers (and figure that's not just salary-it's all the associated employee costs). infant centers also are much more strongly regulated as to the maximum number they can have in one "room"-in some states it's only 12 until the child hits 27 monhts, and you can't co-mingle kids in different age groups (unlike older daycare where you might have older 2's, 3's and 4's broken into different groups but housed in the same "room"). the insurance is also insanely higher, as are the qualifications for staffing (at least in the state i worked in-there a preschool could hire so long as someone was in the process of taking ece classes, an infant/toddler center employee had to have already completed so many units).

the center my kids used to go to has one of the only infant/toddler programs in that area and for years they have looked at closing it down in favor of just doing the preschool set. i think they've only kept it because they know they would lose out on those kids automaticaly transitioning into their preschool (and they'de lose the preschool sibs of the i/t's if the parents had to find alternate care) but the dollars and cents made sense-they charge only a few hundred less a month for full time preschool (includes before and after care for the same hours the i/t center operates) so you figure if while they would "lose" 24 students at say $36,000 per month, they could turn around and covert the space to house 5-12 child each "preschool" classes that would reap $72,000 per month with as much as a 2/3'rds reduction in staffing.


i don't know what it's like in other regions-but the ones that were around us did'nt hold spots (unless you were willing to pay the tuition for all those months), required a new application and registration fee 2 times per year-for the summer program and the traditional school year months (around $500 in fees associated with that), required either 20 hours per year in parent volunteer time or a waiving fee of $200-you provided EVERYTHING (wipes, tissues, diapers, your own feeding utensils/bowls/sippy cups/bottles...)-AND (this was the killer for many parents) mirrored the school calendar, so any minimum days for the school, the center closed early, any holidays or teacher in services days (even though the i/t teachers did'nt participate) the center was closed, and all school breaks (3 weeks at christmas, 1 week in the spring, and 2 weeks following the end of the school year/2 weeks preceding the start of the school year when summer session was'nt offered)-they were closed:scared1::scared1:

oh-and they offered nothing other than full time slots-even if you only needed part time, you had to pay as though your child was going to be there monday-friday from 7 am-6 pm:scared:

i honestly pay less now in private school tuition for BOTH of my kids than i paid over 10 years ago for i/t care:sick:
 
I don't think that OP meant that the infant room is not lucrative. I was a Child Care Director for several years, and honestly the infant room(s) were either losses or break evens. Due to most State Minimum Standards, the infant to caregiver ratio is 1:4 or 2:10. Many quality centers will not put more than 8 infants in a room at a given time. In many of the centers that I have seen, and the one I ran, we typically had 3 employees in a room with 8 infants. When you figure sa;aries vs income coming in, you typically lose.

The older rooms (3's and 4's) have much higer caregiver to child ratios (as high as 1:15) - These are the rooms that make the money and balance out the "loss" of the infant rooms. ;)
 
Geez...
My DD is 8 months old, and I don't think I started looking SERIOUSLY at daycares until after I came home from the hospital!

Also, in MA where DD goes to daycare, I pay $228/wk for full time care, 9 hours a day, so 7 AM to 4 PM.
I have to provide EVERYTHING for her. Formula (water poured & formula pre-measured!), food, diapers, wipes, bed sheets & blankets, utensils for food, etc. There are 7 babies in her 'room' and 2 teachers.

As for registering, I paid $75 to 'register' in mid-October, and she started the week after Christmas. I had to give 2 weeks as a deposit, sort of first & last. There were no issues regarding the start time -- I told the center I was looking for her to start the last week of December or first week of January, so I opted to return to work part time the first week, since I would have had to pay that anyway.
 
A center is not lucrative? Really? Infants are $1500.00 a month. 1500.00 times 8 is $12,000 a month just for one infant room. My center has two infant rooms which is then $24,000 a month. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem paying a pretty penny for the right center but I do see them as lucrative. But I am sure there are a lot of things to pay for that I don't know about.

Kristine

Holy Cow that is expensive!!!! I had 2 kids in daycare (Infant and 5 but not in kindergarten due to late bday) and never paid more than $400 a month. I can see why so many choose to stay home whether they can afford it or not. $1500 a month for many would be working just to pay daycare fees. I am very thankful for the wonderful daycares I used with my children when they were little and so glad they did not cost that much as we would have starved.
 
A center is not lucrative? Really? Infants are $1500.00 a month. 1500.00 times 8 is $12,000 a month just for one infant room. My center has two infant rooms which is then $24,000 a month. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem paying a pretty penny for the right center but I do see them as lucrative. But I am sure there are a lot of things to pay for that I don't know about.

Kristine

Let me put it this way. Several of the people in the department that checks child care centers in this state, have a saying that if a center is making money then they are not following regulations.

And State regulations are stricter in the infant room than in any other area of the center.

Some of the area centers charge a higher registration fee as well as higher tuition to discourage anyone that doesn't plan to keep the child in the center from registering. The only way the infant room helps the business is that it feeds into the other areas (if the child stays in the center).

I will say that if you are paying $1500 a month for infant care, that is quite a bit higher than it is here. Most mom's in this area would have no choice but to stay home at that rate.

My mother and I ran a center for 12 years. We closed the infant room in our center because it usually ran in the red.
 


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