Does the 2fer promotion attract less desirable guests?

[Spokker]

It's a sentiment I've seen more than a few times on other Disney boards and it's quite alarming. Around the same time each year there are increasing numbers of comments about the kinds of guests people see during the 2fer promotion.

Common complaints are a general increase in rudeness, an increasing number of "ghetto" people in the park, and an increasing number of people breaking rules. The idea is that the promotion attracts lower income familes that in turn make life harder for frequent Disney visitors and many of these comments come from annual passholders.

Historically I have not noticed any increase in rudeness during the 2fer promotion and the logic seems a bit silly to me. First of all, despite the promotion, a 2fer is not cheap. It's $66, which is the same as a 1-day admission to Disneyland. You get DCA for free, and only on another day. In fact, many people don't even use their free day at DCA, essentially paying normal price for a 1-day visit to Disneyland.

In my experience, many of my friends took advantage of the 2fer promotion, and none of them ended up going to DCA so they didn't really save any money.

Do you notice any increase in rudeness during the 2fer promotion? Are the comments about "riff-raff" in the parks elitist? Classist? Or are there in fact an increased number of lower-income families descending upon Disneyland during the off-season and bringing in outside food, changing diapers on park benches, and letting their children pee in bushes?

In my opinion, no more than the rest of the year.

 

[Corpsebride]

It's a sentiment I've seen more than a few times on other Disney boards and it's quite alarming. Around the same time each year there are increasing numbers of comments about the kinds of guests people see during the 2fer promotion.

Common complaints are a general increase in rudeness, an increasing number of "ghetto" people in the park, and an increasing number of people breaking rules. The idea is that the promotion attracts lower income familes that in turn make life harder for frequent Disney visitors and many of these comments come from annual passholders.

Historically I have not noticed any increase in rudeness during the 2fer promotion and the logic seems a bit silly to me. First of all, despite the promotion, a 2fer is not cheap. It's $66, which is the same as a 1-day admission to Disneyland. You get DCA for free, and only on another day. In fact, many people don't even use their free day at DCA, essentially paying normal price for a 1-day visit to Disneyland.

In my experience, many of my friends took advantage of the 2fer promotion, and none of them ended up going to DCA so they didn't really save any money.

Do you notice any increase in rudeness during the 2fer promotion? Are the comments about "riff-raff" in the parks elitist? Classist? Or are there in fact an increased number of lower-income families descending upon Disneyland during the off-season and bringing in outside food, changing diapers on park benches, and letting their children pee in bushes?

In my opinion, no more than the rest of the year.

wow. this is kind of a crazy post. It makes me feel uncomfortable.
We go all the time and everyone seems great. I think that who ever started this theme may have a little "color" problem. I mean, really, people come from all over the WORLD to this happy place. I doubt if its because they want to mess the place up. That is the greatest thing about Disneyland, if you come from the "Ghetto", at Disneyland , you are safe. Nothing bad will happen to you there. This kind of post doesnt do any of us any good.
Most respectfully that is my opinion.

 

[tortugaverde]

Wow. I have nothing to offer in the way of experience... but I do want to comment on "low income families".

I have worked in social services and have found families who have lower incomes to be kind, polite and quite grateful for what they have. During my college days, my hubby and I were "low income"... we were both educated, kind and polite.

I have met "high income" folks who are rude, and "low income" folks who are rude... money had nothing to do with it.

These people who are judging guests in DL, how did they know they were "low income"??? Did they ask to see their most recent check stub?? Or did they just assume they were "low income" because of what they were wearing??

This thread makes me sad for humanity in general

 

[tortugaverde]

I am sorry, I can't let this thread go...

I have to ask, why would someone who is "low income" be less desirable?? and to whom??

Why does it matter how much money someone has in their pocket?


Uggg. This really bummed me out for the day. I would have never guessed that a topic like this would come up in this group....

 

[Spokker]

I understand that most Disney forums have rules against posting links to other Disney sites for whatever reason. I would be happy to point out some examples of what I'm talking about if not for that.

 

[audrabolster]

I can see where this poster is coming from, albeit it was worded very... meh-ly.

I am an AP holder so I get to visit the parks fairly often, and I have found increased rudeness in the parks, and more out of control guests. I found that it is mostly with groups of un supervised teenagers. It isn't a color issue as I have had issues with teens of all races at the parks.

They are rude, pushy, use profane language, wearing horridly innapropriate attire, etc.

I don't necessarily see it as a class or race issue, more just teens being obnoxious when they aren't supervised.

 

[pixiewings71]

I too have an AP and don't know what you're talking about. Everyone everywhere everyday experience rude people. And to be honest, I think you're my rude person for the day.

 

[Spokker]

And to be honest, I think you're my rude person for the day.

Rude? For what? Simply bringing up the topic? I'm the one saying there aren't more rude people in the park because of this promotion.

 

[audrabolster]

I too have an AP and don't know what you're talking about. Everyone everywhere everyday experience rude people. And to be honest, I think you're my rude person for the day.

I think this is true. There is rudeness everywhere, but at Disney, I really can't stand this.

Kids/teens cutting in line, running around and cutting people off, using quite foul language, etc. Sometimes it seems like when people go out into public, they leave their manners behind. But at Disney especially, I find this to usually be in kids or teens that are wandering the park without supervision.

 

[DangerMouse]

I normally wouldn't touch this subject with a 10 foot pole, but I will say one thing. . . .

We spent one day in DCA in late April when it was the final day of the two-fer offer. The place was packed to the limit, and we experienced the most rude people we have ever encountered at DLR. My dh was even assaulted by a guest. We came away very sad and disappointed. However, we just agreed that we would plan our future visits away from this time.

 

[pixiewings71]

Rude? For what? Simply bringing up the topic? I'm the one saying there aren't more rude people in the park because of this promotion.

yes, for bringing it up. I'm confused as to why you would? To spark debate? To start an argument? Your last few posts have seemed a bit confrontational to me. If that's not the case I apologize but that is my take on what I'm reading.

And yes, it drives me nuts when kids are rude but it's worse when it's their parents. And no, I don't keep my mouth shut about it. If I notice something rude or offensive I do speak up. I'm the person who complained to the CM in the Indy line because some guy was wearing a shirt that said "I heart big fake xxxx" you can fill in the rest. LOL

 

[lillybug]

"Ghetto People" Are you serious???

Everyone everywhere everyday experience rude people. And to be honest, I think you're my rude person for the day.

No kidding...

 

[audrabolster]

yes, for bringing it up. I'm confused as to why you would? To spark debate? To start an argument? Your last few posts have seemed a bit confrontational to me. If that's not the case I apologize but that is my take on what I'm reading.

And yes, it drives me nuts when kids are rude but it's worse when it's their parents. And no, I don't keep my mouth shut about it. If I notice something rude or offensive I do speak up. I'm the person who complained to the CM in the Indy line because some guy was wearing a shirt that saidj"I heart big fake xxxx" you can fill in the rest. LOL

I am really glad that you bring these things up to cast members. Until it is brought to someones attention, it will keep going. I was at Hungry Bear and saw someone wearing a shirt with Ed Gein on it! What?! The person at the register actually alerted their supervisor to it without me even having to be like "Is that really appropriate?"

It's not only when the parents are rude, but even worse when the parents are there and allow their kids to act like total nutbags.

 

[Spokker]

We spent one day in DCA in late April when it was the final day of the two-fer offer. The place was packed to the limit, and we experienced the most rude people we have ever encountered at DLR. My dh was even assaulted by a guest. We came away very sad and disappointed. However, we just agreed that we would plan our future visits away from this time.

It tends to be that way whenever it is crowded, 2fer or not. Crowds do something to otherwise normal people and cause them to go crazy. In the end they are responsible for their own actions but I would recommend that people who are not patient to stay away from Disneyland during the most crowded of days.

Part of it I think are the unrealistic expectations Disney sets for guests in their marketing efforts. The commercials show happy families in empty parks riding rides with none other than Donald Duck or some other character. The ads show personalized service and you rarely ever see other people in the park.

But then people get there and they are herded around like cattle with little or no information as to why things are the way they are. Fireworks and Fantasmic! seating is a free for all, with little cast member direction on where to go or what to do. Stand or sit? Who the heck knows? At DisneySea they have cast members actually direct you where to sit and keep guests informed about rules, and most importantly of all, actually enforce them.

A crowded Disneyland can do strange things to people, and that's why I stay away from Friday nights, Saturdays, and Sunday afternoons, and the Summer time.

 

[DangerMouse]

It tends to be that way whenever it is crowded, 2fer or not.

This is where I disagree. I have been there during other very crowded times. Even a couple weeks ago on a Sunday the park was ultra busy, busier than anyone expected (it was the day Harrison Ford, Johnny Depp and other stars were in the parks). I didn't experience the same rudeness on that day that I experienced during the final day of the two-fer in April. Coincidence? Perhaps, but I'm not willing to risk going back during that time to see if I'm wrong.

 

[Spokker]

Perhaps, but I'm not willing to risk going back during that time to see if I'm wrong.

What is it about the 2fer then that causes more rude things to happen in the park than on other days?

 

[DangerMouse]

What is it about the 2fer then that causes more rude things to happen in the park than on other days?

That, I don't know. All I am doing is sharing my family's experience. We learned from it and won't be repeating it. That's all.

 

[Spokker]

That, I don't know. All I am doing is sharing my family's experience. We learned from it and won't be repeating it. That's all.

The 2fer has been in effect since January 7th, so when you went on that ultra busy Sunday a couple weeks ago, you didn't experience any incidents even though there must have been a lot of people with 2fer tickets there. That tells me it was a coincidence that you experienced such a major incident during the final day of the 2fer.

It's not a good idea to base your decisions on coincidences, although it is a good idea to avoid exceptionally busy days.

 

[Hound 109]

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We spent one day in DCA in late April when it was the final day of the two-fer offer. The place was packed to the limit, and we experienced the most rude people we have ever encountered at DLR. My dh was even assaulted by a guest. We came away very sad and disappointed. However, we just agreed that we would plan our future visits away from this time.

Yeah....those E Bay - DCA ticket buyers are a bunch of el cheapo, evil do'ers.

 

[DevilDuckie]

Oh come on, guys. While the OP may have phrased the whole thing badly (and OP, you really kinda did, sorry.) the *point* was to find out how widespread an opinion s/he DISAGREED with was. Ease up a little. This was not "ZOMG 2fer guests are unwashed animals!" it was "People have said this, does anyone agree?"