Does POS allow changing category of large number of rooms?

[thadhouse]

Something another post made me think about. Disneyland Forward is going to change basically all standard view rooms at VDH to theme park view rooms. Does the POS allow DVC to basically swap large number of standard view rooms with preferred view rooms? I know they won't easily be able to add a theme park view category, but since each unit is a specific set of rooms, I would think it'd also be difficult to swap rooms, unless each unit includes both standard and preferred view rooms, which would allow swapping the rooms in that unit.

If not, standard view favorite weeks might end up being the most popular thing on the resale market.

 

[pangyal]

As someone who owns a standard view fixed week studio at VDH, I selfishly hope that this happens. However, the realist in me says that they might prefer to recategorize those rooms since the descriptions will no longer match the room categories. I suppose that they could, in theory, add a theme park category as you suggest.

However…Riviera’s standard rooms have a great view of Spaceship Earth/ light show, as well as the Epcot fireworks, while Preferred only looks out over the Skyliner and CB resort buildings. They didn’t reclassify the rooms there, so they might not even bother to do so with VDH when the time comes.

 

[VGCgroupie]

I bet @Sandisw will be the best person to know about this

 

[crvetter]

I don’t think views are specifically tied to specific rooms or units for good. They have reclassified certain rooms at BLT for instance but it needs to be a 1 for 1 trade. So I think they will simply move less desirable preferred views to standard and bump those standard views to preferred if something drastic happens like Disneyland Forward. The FW don’t guarantee any specific location only a descriptive view and for standard it’s pretty much whatever is less than preferred.

While it has been approved (Disneyland Forward) it’s far from actually happening and it was more an agreement to change the zoning of the land. So as they describe it may not be actually as it happens.

 

[CarolMN]

Might not be easy to do because the different booking categories do not all cost the same number of points. Remember that the total number of points to book every villa for every night of the year must remain the same.

 

[Sandisw]

The total number of points is what determines everything. It also depends on how things are declared, and normally they are not done by view.

So, it would be hard pressed to change the views of too many rooms as they have to account for that in lowering elsewhere.

Now, until rooms are declared into the association, they have some leeway in how they declare them, but honestly, I don’t think they will be able to add a new category and all of a sudden changes a bunch of SV rooms….but, as long as the total points end up balancing, they can shift how many of each room can be done.

It’s what happened with BLT…they changed the views of IIRC, 10 2 bedrooms on floors 3 and 4 to SV by adjusting those points to the other categories.

 

[CarolynFH]

Maybe they could do what they did at BWV when they split the Preferred view category into Boardwalk view category and Pool/Garden view category - they kept the points for each room the same, but what was a request (Boardwalk view) became a booking category. So they didn't have to calculate new points values to keep total BWV points total the same, but owners now know at time of booking whether they will have a Boardwalk view or not.

 

[zavandor]

That's a complex debate, going back to the 2020 point charts debacle.
There are two interpretations. One is that the total number of points at a  resort must not change, which allows to change categpry and point requirement for a unit as long as that is balanced elsewhere. Even with this interpretation, what you think you're asking wouldn't be possible: is certain room currently are standard rooms and with Disneyland Forward they end up facing (say) the Frozen Castle, they won't be able to just increase the number of points at the resort. They might increase some rooms, but then garden view, fowlr example, would have to come down. The overall change would be neutral.

The other interpretation, which I agree with, is that the number of points for each timeshare unit cannot change. With the 2020 point charts, among other things, they reallocated points from bungalows and cabins to other units. We challenged that and they rolled back the change and never tried again. Which proves, in my opinion, that DVC too thinks this is at least questionable. They did it the past multiple times, but not anymore since they were challenged. In this interpretation standard rooms will remain standard room forever, if they happen yo end with a view of Pandora, enjoy!

 

[thadhouse]

That's a complex debate, going back to the 2020 point charts debacle.
There are two interpretations. One is that the total number of points at a  resort must not change, which allows to change categpry and point requirement for a unit as long as that is balanced elsewhere. Even with this interpretation, what you think you're asking wouldn't be possible: is certain room currently are standard rooms and with Disneyland Forward they end up facing (say) the Frozen Castle, they won't be able to just increase the number of points at the resort. They might increase some rooms, but then garden view, fowlr example, would have to come down. The overall change would be neutral.

The other interpretation, which I agree with, is that the number of points for each timeshare unit cannot change. With the 2020 point charts, among other things, they reallocated points from bungalows and cabins to other units. We challenged that and they rolled back the change and never tried again. Which proves, in my opinion, that DVC too thinks this is at least questionable. They did it the past multiple times, but not anymore since they were challenged. In this interpretation standard rooms will remain standard room forever, if they happen yo end with a view of Pandora, enjoy!

This was kind of my thought. They could swap a preferred view and standard view room, but only if they were in the same unit. The real question is are they smart enough to have done that for enough rooms to swap.

I’d have to look at the layout, but I’m pretty sure even the high floors that face south are still considered standard view. The low floors might still stay standard view, but I imagine the high floors staying standard view would become a major booking problem.

 

[crvetter]

That's a complex debate, going back to the 2020 point charts debacle.
There are two interpretations. One is that the total number of points at a  resort must not change, which allows to change categpry and point requirement for a unit as long as that is balanced elsewhere. Even with this interpretation, what you think you're asking wouldn't be possible: is certain room currently are standard rooms and with Disneyland Forward they end up facing (say) the Frozen Castle, they won't be able to just increase the number of points at the resort. They might increase some rooms, but then garden view, fowlr example, would have to come down. The overall change would be neutral.

The other interpretation, which I agree with, is that the number of points for each timeshare unit cannot change. With the 2020 point charts, among other things, they reallocated points from bungalows and cabins to other units. We challenged that and they rolled back the change and never tried again. Which proves, in my opinion, that DVC too thinks this is at least questionable. They did it the past multiple times, but not anymore since they were challenged. In this interpretation standard rooms will remain standard room forever, if they happen yo end with a view of Pandora, enjoy!

I will just add there is language in the POS that also states the maximum reallocation event/costs to be. Essentially what the average nightly point cost is. This was the argument I took with them along with the timeshare units being declared ownership in a deed.

I suppose if a timeshare unit contains a standard and preferred view they can simply swap them I’m sure. Say for instance at Riviera where the rooms (in the same unit) are across the hall one standard and one preferred it be easy for them not to violate either of the above by switching which is which. VDH has a similar situation but I’m guessing they didn’t make the units large enough to make this easy without making the views consistent.

 

[DebbieB]

Saratoga split into standard and preferred with different point values, long after it was sold out.

 

[Sandisw]

Saratoga split into standard and preferred with different point values, long after it was sold out.

It did still keep the resort in balance but you are correct in that they did add location preferences to the chart.

 

[pixieprincess925]

The total number of points is what determines everything. It also depends on how things are declared, and normally they are not done by view.

So, it would be hard pressed to change the views of too many rooms as they have to account for that in lowering elsewhere.

Now, until rooms are declared into the association, they have some leeway in how they declare them, but honestly, I don’t think they will be able to add a new category and all of a sudden changes a bunch of SV rooms….but, as long as the total points end up balancing, they can shift how many of each room can be done.

It’s what happened with BLT…they changed the views of IIRC, 10 2 bedrooms on floors 3 and 4 to SV by adjusting those points to the other categories.

FYI - the 4th floor rooms at BLT are now TPV

 

[Sandisw]

FYI - the 4th floor rooms at BLT are now TPV

That is interesting

 

[SL6827]

Why do the standard rooms at Riveria look out at Epcot and the preferred rooms see CBR?

 

[CastAStone]

Why do the standard rooms at Riveria look out at Epcot and the preferred rooms see CBR?

Someone at DVC wanted to create a more expensive preferred view category because money and there was no good way to decide which side would be preferred because all of the views are mid so, while drinking Monkey 47 Martinis at their money parties, DVC leadership decided if there’s parked cars in view it’s standard.

At BLT they call those rooms Theme Park View. Swing and a miss!

 

[muppets3d]

Why do the standard rooms at Riveria look out at Epcot and the preferred rooms see CBR?

There is no parking lot in the view of the preferred rooms. But the standard views, especially if you get a high floor, are often better. Not that either are particularly striking TBH.

 

[SL6827]

So there are no views at Rivera really worth a preferred rating, but that didn't stop Disney from inflating the points requirements for half of the rooms? Shocking!

 

[Sandisw]

So there are no views at Rivera really worth a preferred rating, but that didn't stop Disney from inflating the points requirements for half of the rooms? Shocking!

I actually think the PV over the lake and CBR are wonderful views and do feel they are worth the points they charge.

We do SV more so to save the points, and it is nice if we are back in our room so we might see fireworks, but for the rest of the day, seeing the parking lot is why those are SV.

The PV are much better for hanging on the balcony throughout the day.

 

[pixieprincess925]

I actually think the PV over the lake and CBR are wonderful views and do feel they are worth the points they charge.

We do SV more so to save the points, and it is nice if we are back in our room so we might see fireworks, but for the rest of the day, seeing the parking lot is why those are SV.

The PV are much better for hanging on the balcony throughout the day.

There is also a whole preferred view wing looking out at the Wyndham Grand or the air handler units (look up view pictures for 8889 and 8681) . I keep asking how those are preferred but have yet to get an explanation - they aren't even resort views since the majority is off resort!