Does Disney need to re-think its ride attractions?

I'd clarify that I don't think they need to have more thrill rides per se, at least where thrill ride is largely defined as a high-G force rollercoaster type ride.

While I love the classics, too (hey, we rode Small World with a 10 yo boy who didn't complain before, during or after), they're only classics if you have a long park history (I went first in '78) or as a kid were steeped in Disney characters and lore. To a lot of younger people they are slow, boring and the cultural references aren't there for them at all.

Now, I think a few of the rides have such majesty and excellence in set decoration and theme execution that even cynics can be somewhat wowed. But some of the animatronics appear clunky and not really any more advanced than a high end department store Christmas display -- the only one I walked away from still impressed was Epcot's American Experience.

I think Disney will have a real problem in front of them in 10-15 years from both people with travel dollars to spend who have no grounding in Disney lore and whose experiences of the rides are boring relative to the digital media they are so used to. Why spend the money Disney demands for an unfamiliar thematic experience with "historical" attractions? These people will be thinking "if I want to get spun in circles at 2.5G or ride a coaster, I'll drive to my regional theme park for a day" and "if I want an immersive, narrative experience, I'll pop on my 3D goggles and turn up the Playstation 6".

I also think that the general ride capacity is a huge problem. The rides and park were, in my estimation, designed with much smaller crowds in mind. I would wager that WDW on property resort capacity NOW is probably a majority percentage of all Orlando hotel capacity in 1971. The parks are drawing huge numbers.

Disney's solutions seem weak to this. Fastpass -- merely a band-aid and IMHO the advance scheduling only adds to vacation anxiety and hyperscheduling, something I do not want on a vacation. Add more rides -- limited by geography and the inability to make room by removing older rides regarded as classic. This leads to the problem of new rides being short by virtue of space and by the need to cycle through lots of passengers.

I think they need to make more LONG rides -- how about a half-hour ride? -- that would be able to absorb a big crowd and couple it with continuous loading and unloading to keep lines moving. I think digital technology is important for this because it helps defray some of the cost of relying exclusively on elaborate settings and expansive, interior vistas. These shouldn't be eliminated in favor of digital, but enhanced by digital. Plus I think that digital will be an expectation for people in 10-20 years.

Unfortunately doing something like this will require major overhauls of the parks and removal of some classics to make room.


Speaking about MK only with a focus on Fantasyland, they aim for experiences the family can share together.

For kiddie rides, I think Small World, Pooh, and similar are fine. Compared to the county fair or Hershey Park--the theming is great. It isn't is it just motorcycles or unicrosns traveling in a circle--I find that monotonous myself, it is immersion into a story. And no amount of technology will steer Disney or even Universal away from that.

That isn't to say that they won't look to technological enhancement. But a 3yo is likely to care more about the story. Toddlers and pre-schoolers like basic.

And I don't anyone who wants a 30 minute ride.

And even if they remove a classic, I don't see them upgrading them in such a way that would not appeal to yiung children--speaking specifically of NFL.

I have yet to have an opportunity to ride. Mine Train, but my 4yo cannot get enough of it. Not so bad that she needs it to be 30
Minutes long. But she likes it so much that she wants to ride the same attraction again each visit.
 
Not to get off topic, but it keeps coming up- Harry Potter world. What's the big deal with this? I love the books/movies, but haven't been to harry potter world. Is it that cool?
 
I'm not sure how one can use 4 year olds to argue against what 12 year olds experience. All I can say is to start taking your kids to Universal and Busch Gardens with equal frequency as WDW and see where they come out when they are 12. But this Board skews towards Disney, so few people here will do that. Disney (fortunately) looks at the bigger picture and not just at this demographic.

My 14yo loves Islands of Adventure.
She also loves her Haunted Mansion, Mountains, Mine Train and Sorceror's of the Magic Kingdom.

Clearly in ranking, one will be higher than the other (she ranks IOA higher). But she ENJOYS both.

I asked if it would be okay if they got rid of Haunted Mansion and replaced it with something different. She would be quite displeased.

The two theme parks are completely different experiences.

I have been to Paris. I would like to go to Rome. I may end up liking it better. It won't mean that I would want the French govt to make Paris more like Rome.

No need for Disney to change in that way if that is your suggestion. Teens still like Disney.
 
Not to get off topic, but it keeps coming up- Harry Potter world. What's the big deal with this? I love the books/movies, but haven't been to harry potter world. Is it that cool?
Yes. And I don't read the books and saw maybe 1 or 2 of the movies.

What makes it successful and cool? It is an immersive experience.

I have not been to the new section, yet.
 

Not to get off topic, but it keeps coming up- Harry Potter world. What's the big deal with this? I love the books/movies, but haven't been to harry potter world. Is it that cool?
Yes. It's that cool. It's as good as you'd ever want a Harry Potter Park. At least imo. And I hope they keep growing it! It's got a lot of that charm from the books and the rides are great. I still have to ride gringotts, I'm so excited for that.
 
Hmmm....no suggestion was implied. Simply asking what Harry Potter was all about. That's all.

I was responding to another poster (JimmyV). My response had nothing to do with your post. It was a direct response to a poster who was talking about 12year olds who would prefer Uni over Disney.

My teen ADORES the Harry Potter section. But Disney better not mess with Haunted Mansion.
 
Not to get off topic, but it keeps coming up- Harry Potter world. What's the big deal with this? I love the books/movies, but haven't been to harry potter world. Is it that cool?
I heard from my Harry Potter fans that it was amazing. They loved it.
 
I looked at the photos online for the Harry Potter land and I saw the toens looked impeccable- but just could not find anything on what the actual rides are like.
 
Well I looked through those youtibe videos...but I guess it's just something you have to see in person to understand, b/c a lot of 3d is lost on me and the ride parts happen in dark.
 
Well I looked through those youtibe videos...but I guess it's just something you have to see in person to understand, b/c a lot of 3d is lost on me and the ride parts happen in dark.
It's a lot of screens and technology.
 
Clearly in ranking, one will be higher than the other (she ranks IOA higher). But she ENJOYS both.

I asked if it would be okay if they got rid of Haunted Mansion and replaced it with something different. She would be quite displeased.

I think the first sentence above captures it and I hope that I didn't come off suggesting otherwise. When I spoke of ordering, I merely wanted to point out that the four WDW parks wouldn't rank 1, 2, 3 and 4 as kids get older. But that is not to suggest that the don't or won't enjoy Disney. (Though some here have suggested that their teens are "done". We haven't experienced that...yet.)

As for what I am "suggesting", I don't recall suggesting anything, but your comment about the HM provides a good segue for that. When the folks at Disney begin to fear "staleness" or irrelevance, I don't think that attraction is what they view as the problem. It is timeless and not linked to an old movie that has lost its relevance. I think what Disney needs to guard against is reliance on movies and characters that are from decades before most of us were born. But rides like the HM are the solution, not the problem. But the problem is that it has been a long time since Disney built a ride like Pirates or the HM. Pooh and Little Mermaid are rides that kids will enjoy when young, but will outgrow*. People don't outgrow PoTC or HM or Space or Splash or TSMM. So that is where the focus needs to be. Technology won't cure irrelevance. Timeless rides will. As will attractions featuring characters from the last 20 years. That is a glaring omission. No Incredibles? No Wall-E? No Up? Frozen in a Norway mash-up? All odd choices.

*This statement is not directed at this audience which is both small and sycophantic. The Disney-obsessed people here are largely immune from staleness and irrelevance. But the rest of the world is more impressionable.
 
I think they need to make more LONG rides -- how about a half-hour ride? -- that would be able to absorb a big crowd and couple it with continuous loading and unloading to keep lines moving.
Disney does have this .. it's called SHOWS.
There are tons of attractions at Magic Kingdom that handle large crowds.
Carousel of Progress, Stitch's Great Escape, Laugh Factory, Country Bear, Hall of Presidents, Tiki Room, Philharmagic ... plus a few "rides" like the steamboat, Tom Sawyer Island and the train that take a lot of people and time. I think a lot of people go to Disney expecting a disney-themed Six Flags thrill ride park. Disney is a lot more than "rides" .. it is about the experience which people come back for again and again. That's really the problem. It's TOO popular :).

On our return trips to US, we slowed down. Wow! Disney used to make us feel this way, but it hasn't in a while. At Universal, we feel like we can explore at our own pace, without all the imposed structure. We love it.

Ya .. I think bigger crowds AND Fast Pass + has created a sense or "urgency" for WDW that I think may start to turn people away to Universal. You don't go to the most Magical place on earth to rush from ride to ride trying to maximize your time. That isn't what Disney is about .. but when you have to reserve things and schedule out HALF your day (when you include ADRs), while great for some .. I think it creates this sense of "rushing" where you miss the Magic.

Let's face it .. if you are going to spend $100/day .. you want more entertainment value than standing in line and rushing from one ride to the next.
 
Timeless rides will. As will attractions featuring characters from the last 20 years. That is a glaring omission. No Incredibles? No Wall-E? No Up? Frozen in a Norway mash-up? All odd choices.

I loved seeing the Little Mermaid ride put in but I feel like so many movies are missing.

I'm starting to feel like all my favourite Disney movies (Emperor's New Groove, Mulan, Hercules) are lost and forgotten. My kids feel the same way. Snow White doesn't draw them...My oldest when she saw the video of the ride went "meh" and my younger daughter wanted to know why they used such an old movie.

and yet we are really looking forward to Splash Mountain. That ride never ever gets old.
 
I loved seeing the Little Mermaid ride put in but I feel like so many movies are missing.

I'm starting to feel like all my favourite Disney movies (Emperor's New Groove, Mulan, Hercules) are lost and forgotten. My kids feel the same way. Snow White doesn't draw them...My oldest when she saw the video of the ride went "meh" and my younger daughter wanted to know why they used such an old movie.

and yet we are really looking forward to Splash Mountain. That ride never ever gets old.
Exactly! Little Mermaid is supposed to feel "current". But it was released 26 years ago. There are two generations of children whose movies have been ignored and abandoned. That creates staleness. I named some. You named others. And there are many more. And we haven't touched on Marvel characters and movies that Universal hasn't locked down.
 
Not to get off topic, but it keeps coming up- Harry Potter world. What's the big deal with this? I love the books/movies, but haven't been to harry potter world. Is it that cool?
It really is. Even if the movies aren't your thing, the land is so well done. So immersive. The rides (Forbidden Journey, Gringotts, & Hogswarts Express) are just great. Gringotts is a family ride, so its not as thrilling as Forbidden Journey but it's very high tech, part coaster, part ride through. The queues of both are spectacular though!

They also have a few other rides, but the many stores, themed areas, and food areas are really great. Plus they have interactive wands that you can purchase and make various tricks happen throughout the land.

Definitely one of the best themed lands in all of Orlando.

I think this is why many of us are excited to see if Disney will make Avatar as well themed and immersive as Diagon Alley & Hogsmeade.
 
I think this is why many of us are excited to see if Disney will make Avatar as well themed and immersive as Diagon Alley & Hogsmeade.

I didn't think Avatar land sounded cool at all, but then I saw the concept art and WOW! The night time theme with all the lights and plants was beautiful! I am very excited now.
 
Exactly! Little Mermaid is supposed to feel "current". But it was released 26 years ago. There are two generations of children whose movies have been ignored and abandoned. That creates staleness. I named some. You named others. And there are many more. And we haven't touched on Marvel characters and movies that Universal hasn't locked down.

But the kids who saw that when they were little will be having kids themselves in about 5-10 years...

If you're peddling nostalgia, perhaps not such a bad choice.
 
But the kids who saw that when they were little will be having kids themselves in about 5-10 years...

If you're peddling nostalgia, perhaps not such a bad choice.

Actually, we're having kids now! I have a distinct memory of my dad taking me to see that for my 6th birthday - I can even remember what I was wearing. I will be 32 this year, and I just had my first kid who is actually going to Disney for the first time in 3 weeks as part of a big extended family trip. He will only be 15 weeks old though, so other than blowing his little mind by taking him on Small World, I don't think he's going to be too engaged in the trip :P This trip is for mom and dad, and so grandma and grandpa get to see the little nugget.
 


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