Does Anyone Hate/Dread Christmas?

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I'm sorry Christmas hasn't gone so well for you the last few years.

Personally, I think you should rethink your approach to Christmas. IMO, your kids are getting too much stuff if they don't appreciate any of their gifts. Like others have mentioned, if my older child opened any of his gifts before Christmas, then I would take that gift back and not replace it. Also, spending an average of $750 per child for gifts is pretty extreme. I would advise trimming down the gift giving by a lot.

Also, if no one is helping with dinner preparations, then maybe you could get one of those "pre-cooked" meals from the grocery deli so that you don't have to cook so much on Christmas.

It sounds like your kids are taking advantage and running all over you. Certainly, if my kids smeared whipped cream all over, THEY WOULD BE CLEANING IT UP. And if DS4 didn't take care of his toys, they would go right in the garbage and I wouldn't replace them!

I don't think you're a bad mother, but if your kids know they can run around like barbarians and still get a ton of toys on Christmas Day, then they will! You need to sit your kids down and tell them that they are not going to act that way this year. Cite their behavior last year as the reason for less gifts this year. And make sure that you follow through on any disciplinary actions that are necessary.

Good Luck!
 
I'm going to say this and I'll probably get flamed big time. Please understand that I am not saying this to be mean, but to help you understand. The problem at your house isn't Christmas. The problem is your children. They sound like they are out of control. No way should and 8 and 9 year old tear up a tree or presents. My DD has never done that even when she was very little. The fact that they act like they don't like their presents or tear them up makes me think the get to much other times. They don't appreciate anything. I'm so sorry this is happening to you. Maybe you could have a discussion with your family. Tell them how you feel. If they don't agree to act better, tell them there will not be a Christmas at your house other than going to Church. Don't reward bad behavior.

I hope you take this with the spirit I intend. I can't imagine how frustrated you are.
 
vhoffman said:
Well, this thread might stir up a lot of flames, but that's probably the only thing akin to a yule-log I'll see this season.

We have two children, 8 year old dd, and 9 year old ds, plus dh and myself. Christmas always used to be my favorite holiday. I loved everything about it--the decorations, music, food, parties, the general festive feeling, and, of course, the presents. I always enjoyed giving as much as getting. Now that I'm the adult, of course, the work is all on me, but that used to be a labor of love. I dearly enjoyed shopping, cooking, decorating, etc. However, the last several Christmases have left me just hating the whole mess!

First, we don't have extended family--our parents are dead, so there's no "grandma's house" to go for part of the holidays. Also, there's really no one to invite to our gatherings, both dh and I are only children. I always enjoyed creating a special, magical holiday and season for my kids, but seems I'm just a failure at the whole business. No, I'm not Martha Stewart, but I think I do a respectable job of cooking, decorating, etc. The problem is, my family just doesn't care for anything I do. I've given up trying to decorate a tree. Every year, my kids tear it apart--literally! I find ornaments all over the house--in the garage, behind the toilet, in the laundry, in the backyard, not to mention what they do with other household decorations. I've tried having them help decorate, make decorations, etc. I thought perhaps if they had some sort of "ownership" for the tree they wouldn't be so quick to destroy it. Didn't work! This year, I won't put up the tree until Christmas Eve, that way there won't be so much time to tear it apart.

Forget about wrapping presents! The minute I wrap one, they sneak it off into their room, tear it open, and proceed to destroy it. I do have better sense than to put wrapped packages under the tree days in advance and expect a child not to touch it. But I can't even set out presents on Christmas Eve long enough for us all to open them. Christmas Dinner????? Forget it!!!!!!The last several years they get in to the pantry or fridge and "play" with all the special ingredients, such as squirt whipping cream all over the mirrors, dump colored sugar all over the floor, etc. Its difficult enough as it is to try to make a holiday meal, without having key ingredients all over the floor when in the process of cooking. We used to go to church on Christmas Eve (an early service), but I got so sick of the griping (its too far away, its boring--and that was five miles away and a childrens' service). All my kids give a fig about is the "loot". They figured out the "Amazon" boxes have toys in them, (usually), and we can't find enough hiding places in the house. Last year they got into several boxes, opened them, and literally destroyed them! They were either broken or the pieces were in such a hopeless jumble we couldn't even begin to figure out what went to what. I manages to salvage some, and (stupid me) went out and bought more, just so there would be something under the tree Christmas morning! Then, to top off everything, the last two years in a row, dh fell asleep Christmas Day! He said he was tired from being up all night Christmas Eve, being, as he put it, "runned ragged" doing Christmas Eve stuff, then staying up late assembling the toys.

Well, here's what we typically do for Christmas. Christmas Eve, we go to an early church service (about 7 pm). Then, we sometimes eat out, or come home to a fairly simple, cook ahead meal. Then, we open "family" presents. I usually get the kids new sleepers (doesn't everybody, so they look nice for Christmas morning pictures?). I also get a toy to match (last year dd had a Barbie gown and matching doll). I also wanted to start a tradition of giving each child one or two "nice" keepsake ornaments, so they would have a collection with memories when they became adults with their own homes. I throw in a few other items, like a stuffed animal. Well, last year, both kids said "Oh, that's just clothes" and "its the same stuff we got last year". Well, excuse me! Isn't that what a tradition is--the same stuff every year? :confused3 Oh, I usually tell dh not to buy me anything, or just a small gift, so to have more to spend on the kids. I really have everything I need.

Well, finally, the little dears go to bed. Then, dh and I spend another several hours assembling and displaying the "Santa Stuff". We usually get to bed arount 2 am. The kids are awake at 5 am, and Christmas morning is over before we even wake up! By the time we get up, everything is a hopeless jumble of broken plastic, they're standing in the middle of the mess throwing stuff every which way! Throughout all this, I'm trying to make Christmas dinner, while discovering that half the ingredients are missing because the kids have been sneaking them out of the pantry and playing with them. And, dh decides to take a 4-hour nap! Last year, I was just in tears with the whole mess. And dh told me "I was knocking myself out for nothing". That was about the worst blow I ever received in my life--calling my Christmas "nothing". I just felt so demoralized. Like I said, I'm not Martha Stewart, perhaps my Christmas isn't like something out a magazine, but it holds its own. And my meals are very good, if I do say so myself. Just not "magazine" quality.

Well, the season is upon us again, and I'm just so demoralized from last year that I can't bear the thought of another fiasco. Oh, BTW, did I mention we went to WDW the week before Christmas, spent big bucks, even had a little tree and presents in the hotel room? Then, we spent about $1500 on the two kids presents, in addition to the trip! Well, here's what I'm planning for this year--

Get each kid their own small tree. Let them make their own ornaments or buy some. Decorate their own tree. Perhaps they will have a feeling of "ownership" and not be so willing to destroy it. We will NOT put up any trees or decorations until the day before Christmas Eve--less time to destroy them. Christmas Eve we will stay home (no church, I'm the only one who enjoys it, anyways). No "family gift" exchange, just give the kids new sleepers, perhaps lay them out on their bed, but don't try to make a gift out of it. Spend Christmas Eve decorating the tree, perhaps make cookies, watch a Christmas video. Just buy a pre-made dinner or make something simple.

Christmas Day! What to do now? How to keep the kids from destroying their loot before we even wake up? The answer is simple--no toys under the tree. They don't believe in Santa now anyways. Instead, I plan to give each kid a toys r us gift card shortly after Thanksgiving. They can buy what they want and destroy it at their leisure. Christmas morning I might have a few presents undser the tree, but not a whole toy store, like last year. And then I plan to have reservations for dinner at a nice restaurant, just for something to do, get out of the house, and so dh can't sleep the day away. So, sound like a traditional Christmas? Not too bad, not the best. At least I won't be "knocking myself out for nothing". Also, I told my dh and kids what I'm going to do, if they want anything else for the holidays, they can plan it and do all the work. Perhaps they won't be so apt to destroy or sleep through something if they put the effort into it. As for me, I'd just as soon forget the whole mess and got to Hawaii. Hey, not such a bad idea!!! :Pinkbounc :Pinkbounc

So, what am I doing wrong? There's something wrong if I spend Christmas crying in my bedroom, when I tried so hard to make things nice for everyone else. Perhaps this year will please my family more, or if not, at least I won't have so much investment of time, money, and effort that I won't feel so hurt when my Christmas is best described as 'nothing". :sad2: :sad1: :sad:

:guilty: Where do I start..There are so many things wrong with this picture.I can't believe you all are allowing this behavior. I wouldn't let my dog act this way!
This is way bigger than Christmas. This is not intended to flame you, but I think your children are terribly rude & disrespectful. I could almost understand if they were mentally handicapped or toddlers, but they are 8 & 9. You shouldn't have to "hide" the Amazon boxes--you should be able to put them aside and know they won't be tampered with. They're playing with fridge ingredients? Are you kidding me?? They opened all their presents and you bought them more? Where is your DH during all this mayhem? I would assume he is not in favor of it. Shame on him for not taking a stand!

I like your new plan much better and I have a few things you might want to try. You've already shared with them that things are going to change--now do it. They will test you but stand firm.

New rules--

*No one will open gifts until Christmas Day without permission--period. If one violates the rule, he loses the gift and the gift is not replaced. If he opens someone elses gift, he forfeits one of his own. If gifts are opened without a parent present, the gifts are forfeited and the violator spends the rest of the day in his/her room.

*Food will not be used for play. Violators will lose a major privilege and must clean up the mess to Mom's standards(even if it takes 8 hours)

*A reasonable budget will be set and it will not be equal to a mortgage payment.

*Decorations are to be enjoyed, not destroyed. Violators will lose privileges and will replace the decorations, even if it means selling their video games to pay for it.

*Make dinner reservations. If the kids are acting out, send DH out to pick up the dinner and send the kids to their rooms. You and DH eat in peace.

This may be the most painful thing you ever do, but if you'll follow through I guarantee it will change things around your house. You will enjoy your children AND your Christmas much more. :sunny:

Cathy--Mom to John 19, Eleni,12, & Christian,10
 
I can't help but think we've been set up with this one. The OP puts forth an outrageous tale of ridiculous disobedience, then flames the people who respond in good faith.

If this isn't a set-up, then one word comes to mind...SUPERNANNY!

Get some professional help. It's clear you've lost perspective of the problem, if you ever HAD a clue to begin with.
 

I have to agree with others who have posted the problem is your children. I have three boys and they have never acted that way. You need a lock on your bedroom door, or what ever room you hide the presents. As for them throwing your ornaments and food all over, maybe doing charity work would be good form them.

I really think going to a food bank on Thanksgiving or Christmas or an orphanage (sp sorry) will be make your children appreciate your efforts a little more.

Also some ground rules would be good. I love Minkeyboy's rules. We also have a tradition that on Christmas Eve they open Mommy and Daddy presents. And one goes downstairs untill I take a shower on Christmas Day. If not I do not get one, gross.

So the boy's lay with Daddy in bed and guess their presents, it is fun for them and it makes my Day go smoother.

They need to start showing your some respect, they need to realize Christmas is not a "give me" day it is the celebration of Christ's birth. If my children did not respect that or me there would be no presents at my house.

I hope you really take all this advice wanted or not and please know that we are only trying to help you.

Sharon
 
vhoffman:

You are incredibly brave to post on the DIS that your children are not perfect. It would tear me to pieces to have people say what they have said about your children about my own non-perfect daughter. {{hugs}} Please people! Think about it before you call her kids names!

That being said, it is clear to everyone (including yourself) that some changes need to be made in your household leading up to Christmas. I see a number of issues that have been combined to make your holiday miserable. (1) Your expectations for Christmas are far higher than reality. You wear yourself out trying to do too much :(. (2) Your kids do not appreciate the STUFF that they get and they do not "get" the whole idea behind giving and receiving gifts. (3) You and your husband are on complete different pages.

There are a lot of good ideas presented by people on this thread. I hope you can look past the holier-than-thou pronouncements and the name-calling to see some of them.

I think the most important thing you can do is get on the same page as your husband. He can't go around doing an end-run on you again. You must have and display a united front. You have to come up with rules (no opening boxes, no opening presents before mom and dad come down, etc) and then come up with consequences in advance. Another family meeting with both you and your husband taking turns to establish the rules will show the kids that you are together and in agreement. Will they still test you? Count on it! I might even "set up" your DS early so the consequences hits him between the eyes right away.

The next thing I would suggest (along with everyone else ;)) is that you scale back Christmas. You can always re-add traditions later, but for your own sanity you need to scale back this year. Pick the areas that bug you the most: the tree, dinner, assembling expensive toys, whatever.

The last is the hardest: helping kids appreciate the STUFF they receive. I remember Christmases (I don't celebrate anymore) at my mother's house and it was a giant feeding frenzy. Toys for my niece were literally stacked to the ceiling. She would rip open one present, toss it aside and go for the next one. *sigh* Perhaps you and your husband can motivate the children by having them each one buy presents for the other people in the family. Give them a budget and have them think about someone else for a change. Bring each kid out alone: What would your father like? What would your sister like? What would your brother like? Have your husband take both kids: What would your mom like?

FWIW, one of the best suggestions I read was to rent a storage locker. Perhaps not seeing the presents around or knowing where they are will but the "Fear of Santa" into the kids.

Good luck and {{hugs}}.
 
UrsulasShadow said:
I can't help but think we've been set up with this one. The OP puts forth an outrageous tale of ridiculous disobedience, then flames the people who respond in good faith.


It has happened before. :confused3

http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=830750

The kids disobedience and lack of respect is just one issues here. :guilty:

Both threads seem strange to me, but I guess it's "normal" for the people involved.
 
Hello Jen,

I just wanted to chime in with a different perspective:

I'm surprised that no one else has admitted to having a sense of "hating Christmas." Although, I personally don't hate it, I've read that the Christmas season is VERY HARD on many people, especially those who've lost their parents, as in your case.

I would encourage you to seek family counseling now, in the months leading up to the Holiday season, to deal with some of the issues you're having.

Secondly, if Christianity doesn't pay a large part in your lives, and Christmas was mostly about Santa and presents anyway, I would suggest building some "Non Traditional" Christmas traditions. You mentioned you went away last year the week before Christmas.

Why not try going away on Christmas Eve for a few days? Wake up on Christmas somewhere else! Maybe go skiing for a few days?

Finally, I do agree you might find happiness if you build in ways to give back to others as a family during this season, giving to charity, donating your time as a family. I would also encourage you to try Church again with your family.

I'm sorry if others are making you feel like a "bad mom" based on your kid's behavior. I don't think that's anything anyone can judge especially based on an internet post.

Joy
 
I can't believe you found that disneyjunkie! It's the same OP in the same situation. I'm sorry but if I was vhoffman, I wouldn't post my questions or concerns about my children anymore if I didn't really want to hear an honest answer... People are trying to help you. It's hard to hear your kids aren't perfect but sometimes you REALLY need to hear it. I am speaking from experience here.
 
disneyjunkie said:
It has happened before. :confused3

http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=830750

The kids disobedience and lack of respect is just one issues here. :guilty:

Both threads seem strange to me, but I guess it's "normal" for the people involved.

Wow.. just going through that post.
What an angry lady and messy family life :sad2:
Maybe the kids just don't know any better? :confused3
 
So s/he's a troll? I just read thru that other thread. It looks like dmrick tried to discern the ages of her children because her stories don't add up.

How sad if s/he is making up stories to get attention.
 
Well, Hello, Everyone!

Just had a chance to read this thread now. First, no, this isn't a "made-up" story. It also isn't a "ridiculous tale". If some of you believe you are somehow being "set up", well, just stop reading here.

Second, as I wade through all the posts, some ideas stand out as really good ones. I especially like the idea of renting a storage unit. Preferably one large enough to walk around in, so we can assemble some toys there. The reason we're up until 2 am Christmas Eve is because we don't have anywhere in the house to assemble toys. However, last year we decided that everything doesn't need to be assembled for Christmas morning. Just leave some in the box, that will slow them down and "spread out" Christrmas Day. Also, I do like the poster who pointed out that I'm trying to re-create the Christmas of my childhood, however, we had more "players" aunts, grandmas, etc., to help. It does all fall on one person, me, so I really do need to look at scaling back on some things, such as cooking a dinner. I've already said that this year we will go out for Christmas dinner, to save me the cooking and to ensure dh doesn't sleep the day away.

Some of you have given good suggestions that I think will help, others want to tell us how perfect their Christmas is and what a lousey parent I am, however, no one has addressed the one thing that hurt me the most--my husband's cruel remark that "I'm knocking myself out for nothing". That's what put me over the edge. I'm not Martha Stewart, I'm not very good at crafts, etc. (also I have arthritis, which affects both hands), so I know what I do doesn't quite measure up to what some mothers can do. I can cook a respectable dinner (AND, SURPRISINGLY, EVERYONE ENJOYS IT AND SAYS SO!), however, it is a lot of work for me so I'm going to just forego it this year. I will probably make some of the special dishes my kids seem to enjoy, just not the whole dinner. My dh's mother was one of those "Martha Stewart" types, who always had everything perfect and looked like something out of a magazine. I guess I just don't measure up in his eyes. I don't even have the desire to try this year, I still feel so hurt and humiliated from that remark. To call my Christmas nothing.........also, in addition to my arthritic hands, I did mention that last year I was recovering from a foot surgery and my right foot was in a cast. I could walk without crutches at that point, however, the cast really did slow me down.

Like I said, many suggestions are good and I'm seriously considering them. However, you all suggest that I fail to discipline my kids, then give suggestions as to how to do so. What makes you think I haven't? Like I said in a previous post, I've tried everything legal! And, yes, I'm consistent, set rules, boundries, establish consequences, etc. It just doesn't work! Its 90% my ds. DD just follows his lead. I mean NOTHING works! to tell me to set rules, consequences, yadda, yadda, is almost an insult in that you're assuming that I just sit there and let them do whatever Believe me, I've done everything suggested and then some. It just doesn't work!

How did my ds get "so spoiled"? How does he behave in school? Well, actually, he's not "spoiled" here. He gets "spoiled" outside the home. He's a very charming, good-looking child, and very good at manipulating others. It actually seems that teachers are bending over backwards to make excuses for bad behavior. They'll say things like "He's having a bad day", or "he made bad choices today, but we're sure he will make good choices tomorrow" along with a hug and "hi-five". I've told them over and over they're just rewarding his bad behavior with all the extra attention it generates. The consequences they come up with actually become almost a reward. They're always smiling, and act like he's just so wonderful. No, I don't want others to be mean towards my child, however, they let the "tail wag the dog". He got the idea he could get away with just about anything while in pre-school. Somehow the teachers got the idea that because I'm disabled (have arthritis, walk with a cane), that I couldn't possibly take care of such a sweet little child. He's an attention hog to begin with (well, that is just some people's nature, but professional teachers should be the one to set the tone, not the kid!). He started pre-school at age 3. Ever since he's been "out in the world" I've had nothing but criticism that I don't somehow measure up as a mother, while validating his every manipulative move. He has the idea he can do whatever he pleases, and he didn't get that idea from us! And, yes, I've talked with the school (talked until my jaw could drop off!), and I just get more resistance. It seems the teachers feel they have to defend him somehow. Believe me, he knows how to play into that one! I feel I'm sometimes the only one who really sets boundries and expects them to be followed without making excuses for him. School just lets him walk all over them, then somehow I'm responsible for his attitude? Oh, I can just see the flames coming now--I'm not accepting responsibility, I'm blaming the school, etc. Well, just keep it to yourself, I know different. Every teacher he's had just acts like the sun rises and sets with him, and its so awful that he has me for a mother. Here's just one example (I can't cite them all!). Just a few weeks ago, I noticed he had a few scratches on the back of his neck. They looked like finger nail scratches, quite minor. I thought to change him to a high-neck shirt, because I knew it would generate comments, however, I decided I have nothing to hide and I'm not going to act like it. Well, I walked him in to his class that day to help him carry a project and, sure enough, the teacher jumped me about it. She said (in a loud voice that other parents heard)" Does he have chickenpox?" Just what type of idiot does she think I am--I would just drop a child off at school with a case of chickenpox? Like I don't have enough sense to know how to provide appropriate medical care? Besides, chickenpox doesn't look anything at all like he had. It looks more like small blisters and is more diffuse, not just a few scratches. I immediately took him to the nurses' office and demanded that they check him and take his temperature. I didn't want a call 30 minutes later to come pick him up for nonsense. The teachers are forever doing that--sending him to the nurses' office for the slightest thing, like one sneeze. He really plays that one! He tells the teacher that "his tummy hurts" or starts coughing. Well, then I get a call from a very indigant nurse demanding that I pick him up (like what type of mother am I to allow him to come to school when he's at death's door?). Well, I put an end to that this year. Sure enough, the second week of school, I get a call from an indigant nurse that he's coughing and has a temp of 100.2. Well, I don't mean to split hairs, but the guidelines in our school state that if the child's temperature is 100.5 or above he needs to be sent home. Well, I picked him up, and as soon as the car door shut he stopped coughing. I drove around for awhile, then pointed out that he didn't seem to have a cough. He immediately started coughing again. I took his temp and it was quite normal. Although there was only 1/2 hour left of the school day I took him back to school. I demended the nurse take hie temp again and it was normal. I insisted he finish out the school day. Guess what? I haven't received such a call since! (seems last year they were calling me just about every day!)

Well, ok this is long-winded but I feel I'm put on the defensive being told that I need to discipline my kids. I do, but without the cooperation of others it just won't work. This year for Christmas I'm taking the advice of some posters here--I, too, deserve a nice holiday. Just eliminate certain triggers, such as the dinner. Forget the tree! I thought to give each kid their own small tree to decorate with ornaments they made, however, he would just destroy his sister's as well as his own. We will put up a tree Christmas eve, then take it down the day after Christmas. That's about all the time I can give it before its destroyed. Its a shame that one kid sets the pace and ruins a holiday for the rest of us, however, that's about the size of it. Am I "caving"? Possibly, however, the alternative is to allow him to ruin everything like he's done in years past.

Also, I didn't mention that he has ADHD. He's on medication, been seen by a behavioral specialist, etc. Their advice, essentailly, is to "cave". Eliminate "triggers". Well, I can't just lock up the whole house! ADHD or not, he does have to learn how to live in a house with others and respect their rights, the rest of us deserve a holiday and not put him first all the time! However, as long as the school allows him to get away with whatever and say its an accomodation to his ADHD, I don't have much of a chance at home.

Again, thanks for the well-intended suggestions. Merry Christmas, everyone!
 
Oh, for those of you who think I'm somehow making this up and I'm some sort of "troll", well, seems you've gone back to previous posts , combed through them, and found some of the "facts" are inconsistent. Well, you're right! I do change non-essential facts from time to time to protect our identity. I really didn't think anyone would spend his/her time going over my posts to try to figure out who I really am (I have over 900+posts, so have fun!), however, it seems some on this board want to do just exactly that. Rather strange, that someone wants to spend so much time figuring out just exactly who I am. However, this is a public board and one just doesn't know who is lurking or what they might do with whatever information. The "facts" I've changed over the course of several posts have nothing to do with the essence of the post, just slight manipulations of dates, ages, etc. Well, I really didn't think anyone would try to "add it all up," but seems some do. Really, I'm just trying to protect my family's privacy. "The stories are true, the facts have been changed to protect the innocent....."

DMRick, seems you're the sad case, nothing better to do than go over another's posts (over 900), trying to play detective. Or maybe you're some sort of "troll?"
 
VSL said:
Wow.. just going through that post.
What an angry lady and messy family life :sad2:
Maybe the kids just don't know any better? :confused3

::yes::

ETA: I have 2 DDs with Asperger's, one who is bipolar, and one who is suspected bipolar although her current dx is ADHD and ODD, so I have BTDT rearing difficult children. Even so, they have NEVER, not once, EVER behaved the way the OP describes. They are not angels, but they aren't allowed to misbehave to that degree, either.
 
I feel very sorry for you and your family, but especially for your son. Something was amiss just as many of us supected. You did not mention ADHD initially, and that would have changed this whole discussion from the get go. This is a serious disability that if it is an accurate diagnosis, causes children to have limited control over their impulsivity, unless lots of training, medication and behavioral techniques are used. I can only imagine how difficult it has been raising him, but your anger at him is getting the best of you and probably causing him to act out more. How angry he must be at you! This is not about Christmas, it is about 8 or 9 years dealing with this disability. It is a family issue and you all should seek professional help. If the school seems to be protecting him, it may be that they actually understand his challenges and are trying to support him. If they sense the anger in you, they may feel it is part of what's behind his behavior and feel sorry for him. While I do not know your whole situation, I as many others, can get a sense of your anger and as a mother of an ADHD child myself, I understand alot of what it is like to raise a child with this very real handicap. If this board starts to sound like the professionals in your life do, then maybe you should start to listen, as hard as that is. It took years to get my little guy on track-the toddler years were just exhausting, but he is doing wonderfully now in school and at home. His problems, and your pain is going to get much worse as he enters the adolescence. Get help now, even if it just for yourself to start with.
 
vhoffman, believe it or not, not everyone is out to get you. You seem to have an attitude of "everyone's out to get me", and that's a heck of a way to live.
The comment your dh made about you knocking yourself out for nothing..., well, I think most likely you've totally overreacted to that. I'm guessing that he didn't mean that your dinner was "nothing", but that you were trying to create something for your children that they were not going to appreciate anyways.
I half joked about this being a "Dr. Phil topic", but I'm wondering if that wouldn't be a good idea...I've heard a lot of his guests change, not so much while they are at the show, but afterwards when they've had the chance to watch themselves on TV and see just what's going on with their lives...
 
No, I really don't think "everyone's out to get me". Just seems strange, (and a little amusing), that other posters here feel compelled to track down my every post to find some discrepency. Well done! Like I said, I do change some identifying facts, just to protect our identity. However, the "gist" of the story is true.

Oh, yes, he is getting appropriate care for his ADHD. Didn't I say that? He's on medication, under the care of a neurologist and behavioral specialist, has an IEP at school, he's not being neglected. I do realize its a disability and I'm doing everything possible to deal with it. However, other people on this board have kids with ADHD and they don't destroy the Christmas tree. No, I don't just sit there and watch him do whatever without making a move to correct it. He's quite "sneaky". Oftentimes, he gets out of bed in the middle of the night and "breaks rules" then hides the evidence, so I'm often not even aware of it until days later. That's usually when he picks the ornaments off the tree! He also chooses this time to raid the pantry, fridge, etc. He's not hungry, otherwise he'd be eating it. Instead, I find food hidden all over his room (usually unopened), or "played with", such as colored sugar sprinkled all over the floor of his closet. And, yes, we've discussed all of this with his doctor (really, we're not idiots, we can spell 'doctor'). Their only suggestion is to remove the "triggers", such as keep a lock on the pantry. Actually, we have a small fridge in our bedroom to keep cans of coke, etc., otherwise he will get into it and guzzle a whole 6-pack at night (BTW, he's not overweight). Of course, the obvious solution is not to bring sodas into the house, however, just how much are we supposed to do to structure his environment for him? He does need to learn how to get along in a household, as well as the rest of the world. Just what am I supposed to do--stay awake all night to make sure he doesn't? Actually, that's the advice we got from one counselor--that my husband and I sleep in shifts so one of us is always awake to supervise him. Well, that advice is simply not doable. I'd like to see her stay awake all night to supervise her kid!

Well, in sorting through all the posts, and discarding the "flames" from the perfect parents out there, I really do think I've received some good advice. The one I like the best is (sorry, forgot the poster's name), that I'm trying to re-create the Christmas of my childhood, however, the circumstances are different from my childhood. We are a small family, without all the aunts, grandmas, etc., to pitch in and help (yes, I know, that can get out of hand sometimes, too!). However, I'm trying to do everything without any real help. This year I'm going to nix the idea of a Christmas dinner, instead we will go out to a nice restaurant (perhaps that will be our "tradition"). Christmas Eve we WILL go to church, like it or not. I do want the kids to know that Christmas is a religious holiday, not a "gimmie day". Forget the gift exchange on Christmas Eve between family members, it just doesn't work. We will all get our presents Christmas morning.

I did think of just giving each kid a gift card and let them buy their own presents, however, they don't quite understand money just enough right now. Perhaps in a year or so. It really wouldn't be fair to them to give them a card and say "go for it". I can just see the meltdowns, confusion, and hurt when they can't get everything they want with their card. It would be a good learning experience, but give it a year, until they learn how it "adds up". In the meantime, I will give them an "item limit". Say, six toys, or whatever, They're great at online "browsing" let them create a wish list at toys r us, then make them decide which they want the most. I still will buy them one or two other items as "surprises". I just don't want them thinking that Christmas means Toys r Us explodes in our living room.

However, I do take exception with the suggestion that we do something with a homeless shelter (other than make donations). The idea is that I'm supposed to take my kids to a shelter to let them see how the "other half" lives, so they will better appreciate what they have. Have any of you that have made such a suggestion done this? You really don't want to expose your kids to the type of people you might find there (don't start another "flame war" over this!). Yes, I know, they are people, down on their luck. etc., however, there are also drunks, mentally disturbed,people with communicable diseases, etc. Just last week a prisoner escaped from a jail in Houston and was found hiding out in a homeless shelter (BTW, he was on death row for murder!). You really are best off staying away from such an environment. However, I do like the idea of shopping for a food bank, buying gifts for various charities (really like the Angel Tree). My dd seems to have a kind and generous spirit, however, ds just has the "gimmies". Maybe he needs to learn to do some giving. However, this year I'm going to enjoy meself, too, and that means I get presents as well! In the past I didn't exchange gifts with my husband to have more money for the kids. Well, at least I won't have mine broken by Christmas night!

Well, thanks for all the well-intended advice. There really are some good ideas here. Even for a troll! Merry Christmas, everyone!
 
I really don't see these 'flames' that you're seeing - the only flames I see are coming from you, the OP :confused3
 
vhoffman,
Just a suggestion but maybe Disney World is just not the place for your family. It is a fast paced and hectic place to be even when we're having a ball and you (from your previous posts, WL, etc.) seem to have a problem with everyone and everything. It is not the easiest place to maneuver, it is frequently noisy and crowded, etc. Just something I think you should have considered a long time ago...
I won't even get into the Christmas debacle with your children. You have heard from enough of us and you know what the answer is...
 
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