Does Anyone Hate/Dread Christmas?

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Well, this thread might stir up a lot of flames, but that's probably the only thing akin to a yule-log I'll see this season.

We have two children, 8 year old dd, and 9 year old ds, plus dh and myself. Christmas always used to be my favorite holiday. I loved everything about it--the decorations, music, food, parties, the general festive feeling, and, of course, the presents. I always enjoyed giving as much as getting. Now that I'm the adult, of course, the work is all on me, but that used to be a labor of love. I dearly enjoyed shopping, cooking, decorating, etc. However, the last several Christmases have left me just hating the whole mess!

First, we don't have extended family--our parents are dead, so there's no "grandma's house" to go for part of the holidays. Also, there's really no one to invite to our gatherings, both dh and I are only children. I always enjoyed creating a special, magical holiday and season for my kids, but seems I'm just a failure at the whole business. No, I'm not Martha Stewart, but I think I do a respectable job of cooking, decorating, etc. The problem is, my family just doesn't care for anything I do. I've given up trying to decorate a tree. Every year, my kids tear it apart--literally! I find ornaments all over the house--in the garage, behind the toilet, in the laundry, in the backyard, not to mention what they do with other household decorations. I've tried having them help decorate, make decorations, etc. I thought perhaps if they had some sort of "ownership" for the tree they wouldn't be so quick to destroy it. Didn't work! This year, I won't put up the tree until Christmas Eve, that way there won't be so much time to tear it apart.

Forget about wrapping presents! The minute I wrap one, they sneak it off into their room, tear it open, and proceed to destroy it. I do have better sense than to put wrapped packages under the tree days in advance and expect a child not to touch it. But I can't even set out presents on Christmas Eve long enough for us all to open them. Christmas Dinner????? Forget it!!!!!!The last several years they get in to the pantry or fridge and "play" with all the special ingredients, such as squirt whipping cream all over the mirrors, dump colored sugar all over the floor, etc. Its difficult enough as it is to try to make a holiday meal, without having key ingredients all over the floor when in the process of cooking. We used to go to church on Christmas Eve (an early service), but I got so sick of the griping (its too far away, its boring--and that was five miles away and a childrens' service). All my kids give a fig about is the "loot". They figured out the "Amazon" boxes have toys in them, (usually), and we can't find enough hiding places in the house. Last year they got into several boxes, opened them, and literally destroyed them! They were either broken or the pieces were in such a hopeless jumble we couldn't even begin to figure out what went to what. I manages to salvage some, and (stupid me) went out and bought more, just so there would be something under the tree Christmas morning! Then, to top off everything, the last two years in a row, dh fell asleep Christmas Day! He said he was tired from being up all night Christmas Eve, being, as he put it, "runned ragged" doing Christmas Eve stuff, then staying up late assembling the toys.

Well, here's what we typically do for Christmas. Christmas Eve, we go to an early church service (about 7 pm). Then, we sometimes eat out, or come home to a fairly simple, cook ahead meal. Then, we open "family" presents. I usually get the kids new sleepers (doesn't everybody, so they look nice for Christmas morning pictures?). I also get a toy to match (last year dd had a Barbie gown and matching doll). I also wanted to start a tradition of giving each child one or two "nice" keepsake ornaments, so they would have a collection with memories when they became adults with their own homes. I throw in a few other items, like a stuffed animal. Well, last year, both kids said "Oh, that's just clothes" and "its the same stuff we got last year". Well, excuse me! Isn't that what a tradition is--the same stuff every year? :confused3 Oh, I usually tell dh not to buy me anything, or just a small gift, so to have more to spend on the kids. I really have everything I need.

Well, finally, the little dears go to bed. Then, dh and I spend another several hours assembling and displaying the "Santa Stuff". We usually get to bed arount 2 am. The kids are awake at 5 am, and Christmas morning is over before we even wake up! By the time we get up, everything is a hopeless jumble of broken plastic, they're standing in the middle of the mess throwing stuff every which way! Throughout all this, I'm trying to make Christmas dinner, while discovering that half the ingredients are missing because the kids have been sneaking them out of the pantry and playing with them. And, dh decides to take a 4-hour nap! Last year, I was just in tears with the whole mess. And dh told me "I was knocking myself out for nothing". That was about the worst blow I ever received in my life--calling my Christmas "nothing". I just felt so demoralized. Like I said, I'm not Martha Stewart, perhaps my Christmas isn't like something out a magazine, but it holds its own. And my meals are very good, if I do say so myself. Just not "magazine" quality.

Well, the season is upon us again, and I'm just so demoralized from last year that I can't bear the thought of another fiasco. Oh, BTW, did I mention we went to WDW the week before Christmas, spent big bucks, even had a little tree and presents in the hotel room? Then, we spent about $1500 on the two kids presents, in addition to the trip! Well, here's what I'm planning for this year--

Get each kid their own small tree. Let them make their own ornaments or buy some. Decorate their own tree. Perhaps they will have a feeling of "ownership" and not be so willing to destroy it. We will NOT put up any trees or decorations until the day before Christmas Eve--less time to destroy them. Christmas Eve we will stay home (no church, I'm the only one who enjoys it, anyways). No "family gift" exchange, just give the kids new sleepers, perhaps lay them out on their bed, but don't try to make a gift out of it. Spend Christmas Eve decorating the tree, perhaps make cookies, watch a Christmas video. Just buy a pre-made dinner or make something simple.

Christmas Day! What to do now? How to keep the kids from destroying their loot before we even wake up? The answer is simple--no toys under the tree. They don't believe in Santa now anyways. Instead, I plan to give each kid a toys r us gift card shortly after Thanksgiving. They can buy what they want and destroy it at their leisure. Christmas morning I might have a few presents undser the tree, but not a whole toy store, like last year. And then I plan to have reservations for dinner at a nice restaurant, just for something to do, get out of the house, and so dh can't sleep the day away. So, sound like a traditional Christmas? Not too bad, not the best. At least I won't be "knocking myself out for nothing". Also, I told my dh and kids what I'm going to do, if they want anything else for the holidays, they can plan it and do all the work. Perhaps they won't be so apt to destroy or sleep through something if they put the effort into it. As for me, I'd just as soon forget the whole mess and got to Hawaii. Hey, not such a bad idea!!! :Pinkbounc :Pinkbounc

So, what am I doing wrong? There's something wrong if I spend Christmas crying in my bedroom, when I tried so hard to make things nice for everyone else. Perhaps this year will please my family more, or if not, at least I won't have so much investment of time, money, and effort that I won't feel so hurt when my Christmas is best described as 'nothing". :sad2: :sad1: :sad:
 
I feel compelled to write to you and urge you to start some new traditions. Christmas is about the birth of Christ, helping others, spending time with family and friends. I think it would be a good first step if you started taking your family to church every Sunday. The family that prays together, stays together(DFIL told us this shortly before we married). Many churches have programs where the children sit through the service for 10-15 minutes and then go to Sunday School. Instead of buying a lot of gifts for our kids, we get names from "angel trees" at church and the mall and have a lot of fun buying toys/clothes for disadvantaged children who have nothing. My children love to do this. Right now you can google operation christmas child and pack a shoebox of gifts for a poor child that may never even had a gift in his life. Go food shopping for a food pantry or soup kitchen. Buy/borrow from the library some wonderful christmas books, some about the birth of Jesus. Plan some activities with your children to do on the Sundays before Christmas. Give everyone a chance to choose something to do. Set a limit on the gifts, I have friends that only buy 3 gifts per child. I think not cooking on Christmas is a great idea! My mom and I used to always make a huge meal for 15-20 family members. Now we cook a ham, and then put our things we made the day before( deviled eggs, potato salad, pasta salad, veg. tray, desserts). The trees in their rooms is also a great idea. My kids just did this last weekend(kinda early, but they wanted to).
Your story is really sad. I'm not flaming you, nor trying to lecture you. A simple Christmas season is so much better than all the comericialized hoopla. I will pray that you and your family will be blessed with a "changed" Christmas.Hopefully you will get some other ideas and encouragement here.
 
:grouphug: I'm so sorry....Christmas isn't supposed to be like that....maybe your family needs a little reality check. Instead of giving the kids gift cards to spend on themselves maybe have them spend it on kids who have nothing so they understand the importance and feeling of giving. Sounds like you're the only one who has been giving, maybe they need to learn how. I hope you find a way that works for you to put the magic back into your holidays and wish you the best of luck!
 

This is not intended to be a flame, but after reading your post twice, what screamed to me was that the children have no discipline. At all. The minute one of my children sneaks a present off and unwraps it is the minute we get in the car to deliver it to the Salvation Army. Undecorate the tree? I don't *think* so. Mine would be outside in the snow, grounded from TV or computer, or in their rooms rethinking THAT bad choice. Your kids are spoiled, plain and simple, and no amount of Martha Stewart facade will fix that. The only thing that will are reality checks, discipline, and an attitude of gratitude.

We buy our children new jammies every year, too, only they are *excited* to get to open them on Christmas Eve. There's a lot of wink-wink, what COULD it be? and we all get a big kick out of it. As far as Christmas morning goes, in our house NO ONE goes into the tree until we've had our breakfast at a decent hour (although it is a very un-Martha box of powdered doughnuts :teeth: ), lit the Advent wreath and read the Christmas story from Luke, Chapter 2. AFter that, we open stockings while I go in to take pictures and get set up to take their photos when they see what Santa brought. They spend awhile enjoying those gifts and then we take turns, one at a time, opening and enjoying our gifts. We usually only have 7 or 8 gifts for each child, DH and I usually have 4 or 5 each (this includes aunts/uncles/grandparents)

We get started around 830-9am and finish about noon. DH is a CAYG (clean as you go) kind of person, so as we are unwrapping, the trash goes into a garbage bag (btw, I find this a tad annoying as there is frequently his rearend or a black bag in some photos! :rotfl2: ) At noonish, DH and I go into the kitchen and finish the sauerkraut ball prep (that I started a few days earlier) and we pull out the meat and cheese trays, honey baked ham, veggies trays, etc, that I've made and we snack all afternoon (oh, and we mustn't forget the cookies!) We also stay in our jammies all day long. My in-laws live next door and they come over later in the afternoon for another round of gift-giving and more eating.

I'm sure all that sounds totally Martha, but believe me, it's not. It boils down to that we have "celebrated" Christmas for a month already (we celebrate Advent starting 4 Sundays before Christmas) and we are in a peaceful, joyful, grateful "place" by the time the actual day arrives.

BTW, I homeschool and I did a little shopping yesterday while 9yo DD was at her ice skating lessons and she asked me where I went. I told her that sometimes, especially around Christmas, it's not so good to be nosy. She said, "But our present is our trip to WDW this year, you're not getting us anything for under the tree!" Little does she know!!! It's an attitude of gratitude that has to be practiced all year long.

So, forget "ownership" and deliver a little discipline (all year long, not just at Christmas). Put up your tree and if they touch it, make a clear consequence that you will follow through on. Skip the big fancy dinner (I *used* to do that...HB ham and cheese trays are sooooo much easier!!!) If they take something from the fridge that is an ingredient without your permission, they get to skip dessert or a movie (and you need to check your ingredient inventory a few days before Christmas). Anytime I find whipping cream on my mirrors there will be he*& to pay, I promise you. You have let your kids run amuck and it will only get worse if you don't put your foot down.
 
Well, Graygables, I guess I just can't compare to the "perfect" mommies of the world. What makes you think I don't discipline my kids? I've tried everything legal! It just doen't get through to them. The only solution I can come up with is just not give them the opportunity in the first place, such as no tree until Christmas Eve. Glad to know you're so perfect--I guess I'm just a failure. At least no one will call your Christmas "nothing".

What's with the "Martha Stewart facade"? I said I'm NOT like Martha Stewart, however, my efforts aren't acknowledged for what they are--a labor of love that may not look like a magazine but are from the heart. Geez, at least read my post before you criticize. Or perhaps your reading comprehension needs some fine tuning? It seems you're patting yourself on the back for being such a perfect mom, and feeling superior to inadequate slobs like me. However, what you fail to realize is that you can't always measure effort by outcome. I'm glad everything in your household is like a Norman Rockwell painting, however, it really isn't just through your efforts (sorry, that's the truth). It does take cooperation all around. And, btw, thanks for the discipline suggestions, such as if the child sneaks something off to his room and unwraps it it goesw to the Salvation Army. Well, you're assuming the gifts opened were for the children. Several of the opened gifts were for other people, one was a amber bracelet for me. So I'm supposed to take my own, fairly expensive gift, to SA? Actually, I got so sick of them opening all the Amazon boxes that came into the house, looking for "loot" that I sat them down and opened ALL their presents from their Amazon boxes and showed them to them. I told them, "here, this is your Christmas, You're so eager to have it now, so take a good look. Then I took it ALL back to the store, and they went with me. However, DH thought that was awful and went out and bought all the original stuff plus more. It would be nice to have some support, you're just assuming I'm the "bad parent". However, it really is hard to have nothing under the tree Christmas morning. Also, ds is the main culprit. He not only destroys his stuff, he destroys his sister's (last year he opened and broke 6 care bear toys, said he "wanted to see how they worked". What does a "perfect mother" do under such circumstances? Should my dd suffer for the actions of her brother? Am I supposed to deprive her of her toys because ds opened and destroyed them? Oh, yes, the obvious answer is to take away something from ds, however, he'd already destroyed most of his stuff as well. In the process of destroying Christmas for himself, its hardly fair that he destroy it for evceryone else. So, Mrs. Perfect, how would you handle such a situation? I Really am interested in your answers, I really do need some suggestions, since I'm such a failure I'd like to know how to improve. Perhaps you also have some support from your husband as well. Or does your husband call your Christmas "nothing"? I bet he doesn't spend half of Christmas Day sleeping, either. Sounds like you're all too high on yourselves for that! Merry Christmas!
 
Actually, I had a little talk with my family tonight. I told them that I felt I was the only one even trying to make a nice holiday out of Christmas, and they just make a joke out of my efforts. I told them this year they were going to plan it--everything, whether we go to church, have a dinner or eat out, what type of decorations, etc. Then they were going to figure out just how all this was going to come to pass. I'm willing to help out any way I can, but they're in the driver's seat this year. Let them see how it feels to plan something, work so hard to bring it to fruition, then have it made into a joke. Oh, I also forgot to mention that last Christmas I was getting over a foot surgery and did most of the preparations, etc., with my foot in a cast. Actually, I'm seriously considering taking myself to a hotel for Christmas eve and day, then come back when the holiday is over. That's just how bad I feel about the whole thing that I'd rather just leave them to whatever they consider a holiday while I relax with room service, a nice jacuzzi, and just be away from the whole mess. If I'm so awful, maybe they'll have a better Christmas without me. At least it would "prove" I'm not at fault if I'm not even a part of it. Actually, the hotel idea is sounding better and better.........at least I won't have my efforts scorned. But, of course, I'm not "perfect" like the Graygables of the world. MInd sharing with me just how you achieved such perfection?
 
Hmmm, I spent some time trying to figure out if the first post was serious or a joke. Looks like you are serious. I am not trying to critique your parenting and clearly graygables already ticked you off, but seriously, my choice would be to have some serious repercussions for the behavior you are describing. Especially the ornaments and presents issues. Why do the kids think it is okay to be taking ornaments off the tree? And, yeah, if my kids snuck presents out from the tree and opened them they would not be getting that gift at all, thank you. You are allowed to be happy and their behavior is not allowing you to be. You have every right to say, "You know what, you ruined the Christmas tree I put so much effort into which was very selfish of you and upsetting to me. Now the consequence is....."

I also second the idea of simplifying your holidays. If no one eats the big meal, don't make it. I had to come to this myself last year. The year before I did the whole big meal thing too and no one other than DH and i ate it and I spent way too much of Christmas day in the kitchen. Know what? I don't even remember what we had last year, but I do remember that the day was much more peaceful. Decide on a certain number (say 3 or 4) gifts for your kids. Don't get anything that needs to be assembled and get a locking cabinet to hide them in, already wrapped so you don't have to deal with all of the stress on Christmas. I love your idea of just putting their new jammies on their beds. Then once they are in bed, you will have less to do and then you can just sit and relax with a cup of tea.

I really hope this holiday goes better for you than you are expecting it to.
 
Dear vhoffman,

I can empathise with your feeling that what you do is not being appreciated. Sometimes family members just don't 'get it'. I especially understand what you said about your extended family being gone... and you & your spouse being only children. It really makes the holidays different when there is just your immediate family.

I think your plan to cut back is good. When I remember my childhood Christmas' (and maybe this is true for you too) we went to Gramma's... there were lots of cousins, aunts & uncles... everyone was pitching in. Of course as a child I just enjoyed it... as I got older, I realized the women were in the kitchen cooking and later cleaning. While the children played and the men talked or watched the game. This system works okay when there are lots of aunties and girl cousins to help... it's not too much work because you do it together.

But once they are gone... the older generation passed... cousins moved away or we did (like you I never had siblings) my expectations didn't change, but the workload quadrupled!! Seems like this happened to you too.

Then my kido comes a long, he's an only too... doesn't have any idea of what it "should be like" he's just being himself on a day when his excitement is at fever pitch... he doesn't begin to know how to act on a special day. And it's darn hard to teach him when it's just the three of us! DH is also from a "guys on the couch" family.... he's supportive, but doesn't have a clue what to do to help. On top of that his family is scattered here, there and everywhere. So extended family is just not possible.

The other thing I thought about your situation is: you guys were up till 2:AM getting things ready for Santa and then back up at 6! No wonder DH fell asleep! He's exhausted! And no wonder you aren't enjoying it! You're exhausted too! Seems to me you ARE doing too much.

I SO identify with your wanting to make things the same for your kids as it was for you as a child. But I think there are some really good things about your new plan. It's really positive to figure out how to simplify so you can actually enjoy your family. Doing things together like making the ornaments, baking, even watching a movie. Making the point to be together and share some memories. These are great ideas, because the reality is that it really is too much work for one person.

As for church... maybe just change it a bit. You really don't say if you attend thoughout the year, or what your faith background is, but what if you mixed it up a bit by attending a different church on Christmas. Or maybe at a different time. When my son was small we went to church on Christmas morning instead of Christmas Eve. He handled the time better and we enjoyed the break in the schedule. Now that he's older we love midnight Mass. Some churches have unusual services. There is a church in our neighborhood that does a living Nativity the weekend before Christmas, they call it "The journey to Bethlehem" and my son loves it because it celebrates the religious part of Christmas but he doesn't have to sit still. Some churches have special things for kids, others have services that are just singing. Maybe you can find something that would be enjoyable for all of you.

I think the tree idea is good... but if you don't want to do the extra work of two trees you could just have them make the ornaments and maybe each decorate 1/2 of it.

The other idea is what my in laws did when they were in the same situation. They found several other families in similar circumstance and all joined together creating their own extended family. My DH grew up with these kids the same way I grew up with my cousins. And there were four moms to share the cooking and rotate from house to house on the holidays.

You know what they say "If Mama ain't happy, ain't no body happy." So figure out how to make yourself happy...

Simplifing is good... and change is good... so figure out what you want and GO FOR IT.

Have a wonderful, peaceful and magical Christmas!
 
I agree with the poster who suggested that your kids need some more discipline. My children would never dream about sneaking off and opening up presents. That is so disrespectful! And ditto about the husband asleep on the couch for 4 hours. :confused3 It sounds to me like having a "happy" (perfect?great?) Christmas is a lot more important to you than it is to the rest of your family.

My best advice is to simplify your holiday, and try and get your family involved. Have your husband and kids pitch in with the decorations, the wrapping, and the cooking. If having presents under the tree is too much of a temptation, don't put them there! Hide them until Christmas Eve and then put them out. If the kids remove ornaments from the tree, have consequences! Time out, take away priveleges, whatever it takes. If the kids are ungrateful about clothing or gifts, take them away! One year I gave my DD a bike for her birthday and she acted totally ungrateful about it, so I put it up in the attic for 6 months! Boy did that change her attitude about it. I have also learned to give the children LESS material things, it makes them appreciate the things they do have so much more.

I think it IS possible to reclaim some of the joy of the holiday season. But it sounds like it isn't the holidays that is the problem, but rather your family's reaction to it. Maybe this year you should "cancel Christmas" and see if it changes your family's attitude. :confused3
 
I know its out of vogue these days, but if my kids ever do what your kids have done sweetie then i would spank them and cancel christmas FOR THEM, i would still have christmass for me and my partner. It sounds cruel, but some times u have to be cruel to be kind. One Xmas as a child i acted like a complete tool and my parents shut me in my room all afternoon, without any of my new toys. Was i upset then, YES, did i ever do it again NO, do i thank them for punishing me now YES. Because it showed me that Xmas was a priveledge not a right. Have your own xmas celebration, perhaps find a jewish/muslim/non christian etc (someone who doesn't celebrate xmas) family to babysit the kids and you and your DH go out for a fantastic dinner at a restaraunt.

If it was your son that did it and not your daughter then take the daughter with you. My parents always used the divide and conquer method, and it worked

Adrienne :wizard: (prepared for the flames with my asbestos undies on :firefight)

P.S. OP here have a big hug :grouphug: I really do feel sorry for you, because you obviously want xmas to be something special and have a tradition you can cherish, huggles and pixie dust to you
 
I am so sorry that your holidays are so hectic. I almost didn't post because I was unsure what to say. I do wonder why the children think the tree is their own personal playground. Each of my children have their special ornaments and they know I have my special things. They are off limits.

I do agree the holidays are a hectic time for a mom. Over the years a certain amount of joy has also left me but I think it has more to do with the children getting older. No more believing in Santa etc. But, our family has always done the same thing you and dh have done, gone to bed at 2 to have the kids wake us up at 4 to open the presents in excitement. It did make for a long day..so exhaustion does play a role.

As for the presents..well as my children got older they knew the boxes were presents. So for the last 2 years I have gotten a storage unit for 30.00 a month starting in November. The first year the kids were really down..I had threatened no Christmas because they just don't get it. Well, everytime I went shopping I stopped at the storage facilty and dropped off the gifts. Yes, it required more work for me because I wanted to have a special day and if they wouldn't cooperate I figure it out myself. My children also have extended family so they do not want for Christmas. So also 2 years ago I decided anytime they got any money from relatives they were going to spend it on Toys for Tots, so they could understand the giving aspect. As for mass, whether they like it or not, the story and reason for Christmas is more important. Put a smile on your face kiddos because this is the way it goes.

Maybe as your children get older you will be able to implement a little more of the consequences. If you and DH unite in the goal you might find a little more joy in the season. If he understands the importance of the holiday to you maybe he will understand more your feelings. I wish you the best and hope that you are able to find a solution for your holidays.

Kelly
 
graygables said:
This is not intended to be a flame, but after reading your post twice, what screamed to me was that the children have no discipline. At all. The minute one of my children sneaks a present off and unwraps it is the minute we get in the car to deliver it to the Salvation Army. Undecorate the tree? I don't *think* so. Mine would be outside in the snow, grounded from TV or computer, or in their rooms rethinking THAT bad choice. Your kids are spoiled, plain and simple, and no amount of Martha Stewart facade will fix that. The only thing that will are reality checks, discipline, and an attitude of gratitude.

We buy our children new jammies every year, too, only they are *excited* to get to open them on Christmas Eve. There's a lot of wink-wink, what COULD it be? and we all get a big kick out of it. As far as Christmas morning goes, in our house NO ONE goes into the tree until we've had our breakfast at a decent hour (although it is a very un-Martha box of powdered doughnuts :teeth: ), lit the Advent wreath and read the Christmas story from Luke, Chapter 2. AFter that, we open stockings while I go in to take pictures and get set up to take their photos when they see what Santa brought. They spend awhile enjoying those gifts and then we take turns, one at a time, opening and enjoying our gifts. We usually only have 7 or 8 gifts for each child, DH and I usually have 4 or 5 each (this includes aunts/uncles/grandparents)

We get started around 830-9am and finish about noon. DH is a CAYG (clean as you go) kind of person, so as we are unwrapping, the trash goes into a garbage bag (btw, I find this a tad annoying as there is frequently his rearend or a black bag in some photos! :rotfl2: ) At noonish, DH and I go into the kitchen and finish the sauerkraut ball prep (that I started a few days earlier) and we pull out the meat and cheese trays, honey baked ham, veggies trays, etc, that I've made and we snack all afternoon (oh, and we mustn't forget the cookies!) We also stay in our jammies all day long. My in-laws live next door and they come over later in the afternoon for another round of gift-giving and more eating.

Anytime I find whipping cream on my mirrors there will be he*& to pay, I promise you. You have let your kids run amuck and it will only get worse if you don't put your foot down.

I agree with everything you said here. It sounds like we have parallel Christmas mornings *with the DH with the trash bags as we go - drives me crazy!* But we've learned to accept and love that this is his way.

To the OP - your kids are WAY over the edge and out of control. Do they treat their teachers and other adults with this much disrespect? How are you going to handle them as teens when you let them treat you like this NOW?

My advice to you - spend your Christmas Day at the local homeless shelter helping with the Christmas dinner. Teach them to see the joy in helping others - not taking away the joy from the woman who gave birth to them.

I really don't understand your hostility towards graygables. YOU and your kids need to know that this behavior is NOT normal. I am not judging you - I am deeply concerned that your kids don't respect you and that you do not demand respect from your own children.
 
Hi-Lots of good advice and thoughts that I agree with. Since you are asking, or maybe you are just venting and looking for support, something sounds amiss. People sound distant, and the kids sound like they are pushing your buttons. Maybe it is for a reason, are they sensing something is wrong? Or maybe they have chipped away at this issue over the years, and just don't have surprises by the time xmas day rolls around and feel let down. This is tough to hear, but this is what I got from your post. Please try not to feel hurt, as clearly this is very painful for you.

I would reduce back a whole lot too, get 5 or 6 gifts for the kids, and lock them somewhere with stockings. I would put the tree up Christmas eve, get cocoa, popcorn and board games and play together on XMas eve, then watch a Christmas Carol. Keep your kids close to you now and during the season. Read a chapter of Harry Potter or some other great read each night starting now and move into Christmas stories around thanksgiving. I wouldn't shame them or lecture them about the hosue decorations, I just wouldn't do a whole lot other than some wreaths. And make a big deal on Christmas eve with the tree, and just lights! Make sure you focus on them and yourselves with regards to the relationship, not the stuff. Buy or make nice stuff for xmas morning. I always freeze cranberry orange bread I make over thanksgiving, and a strata this night before. Kids this age can wait to open gifts until after breakfast! My parents always made us stay upstairs until he turned on the BingCrosby Christmas album, and we kids would race downstairs. The anticipation is what made it special for us kids. We would have to open one present at a time and watch as others opened their gifts. At one point we would break for breakfast, open more gifts and do stockings at the end. Remember, lock the gifts somewhere. Set you alarm for early with your DH and stand guard. One can go and set up things, get some yummies out, put on some music and set the tone for the day. The other parent can stay with the kids and watch a little xmas show, read an xmas story or play a game (maybe a new one santa brought in the night).

I would still go with the slippers, not wrapped and all four of you get some and put them on- you could even play some silly game like twister in them.

I hope some of these ideas help. I do understand your stress, and disappointment. And the contrast to years past without lots of family (and your parents) must be hard. Keep us posted as you come up with new tradtions and I hope DH will participate in this process of changing your traditions. He could be a key player to your success.

Lastly, hang in there...
 
vhoffman said:
Well, Graygables, I guess I just can't compare to the "perfect" mommies of the world. What makes you think I don't discipline my kids? I've tried everything legal! It just doen't get through to them. The only solution I can come up with is just not give them the opportunity in the first place, such as no tree until Christmas Eve. Glad to know you're so perfect--I guess I'm just a failure. At least no one will call your Christmas "nothing".

What's with the "Martha Stewart facade"? I said I'm NOT like Martha Stewart, however, my efforts aren't acknowledged for what they are--a labor of love that may not look like a magazine but are from the heart. Geez, at least read my post before you criticize. Or perhaps your reading comprehension needs some fine tuning? It seems you're patting yourself on the back for being such a perfect mom, and feeling superior to inadequate slobs like me. However, what you fail to realize is that you can't always measure effort by outcome. I'm glad everything in your household is like a Norman Rockwell painting, however, it really isn't just through your efforts (sorry, that's the truth). It does take cooperation all around. And, btw, thanks for the discipline suggestions, such as if the child sneaks something off to his room and unwraps it it goesw to the Salvation Army. Well, you're assuming the gifts opened were for the children. Several of the opened gifts were for other people, one was a amber bracelet for me. So I'm supposed to take my own, fairly expensive gift, to SA? Actually, I got so sick of them opening all the Amazon boxes that came into the house, looking for "loot" that I sat them down and opened ALL their presents from their Amazon boxes and showed them to them. I told them, "here, this is your Christmas, You're so eager to have it now, so take a good look. Then I took it ALL back to the store, and they went with me. However, DH thought that was awful and went out and bought all the original stuff plus more. It would be nice to have some support, you're just assuming I'm the "bad parent". However, it really is hard to have nothing under the tree Christmas morning. Also, ds is the main culprit. He not only destroys his stuff, he destroys his sister's (last year he opened and broke 6 care bear toys, said he "wanted to see how they worked". What does a "perfect mother" do under such circumstances? Should my dd suffer for the actions of her brother? Am I supposed to deprive her of her toys because ds opened and destroyed them? Oh, yes, the obvious answer is to take away something from ds, however, he'd already destroyed most of his stuff as well. In the process of destroying Christmas for himself, its hardly fair that he destroy it for evceryone else. So, Mrs. Perfect, how would you handle such a situation? I Really am interested in your answers, I really do need some suggestions, since I'm such a failure I'd like to know how to improve. Perhaps you also have some support from your husband as well. Or does your husband call your Christmas "nothing"? I bet he doesn't spend half of Christmas Day sleeping, either. Sounds like you're all too high on yourselves for that! Merry Christmas!


I never said I was perfect, nor is it a Norman Rockwell at my house. Over the last 5 years, at least one of my DDs has been very ill (pneumonia, ruptured ear drum, flu, etc) which makes for a chaotic Christmas and, with girls, there is always a green-eyed monster hanging around that we generally have to deal with. The point being that we demand RESPECT from our children all year long. I'm not patting myself on the back at all, just trying to demonstrate what Christmas CAN be like in a REAL household and NOT a Martha/Norman situation. Do I sometimes yell at my kids? Sure, I do. Does my DH sometimes decide to admire his new "toys" while I'm pulling food together? Sure, he does (until I ask him to come help and then he does...we expect respect from ONE ANOTHER also) No, he doesn't NEED to spend Christmas sleeping b/c it hasn't been chaotic or exhausting. We are fortunate to have a barn where any "some assembly required" can take place in the days leading up to Christmas, so after DDs go to bed, he and I watch A Christmas Carol and then bring in anything that needs to be brought in. We are easily in bed by midnight.

"Taking away the opportunity" is NOT a solution to the deeper problem. As far as what I'd do for your DS (although I am far from perfect, and I believe I said so in my post), if he opens another person's presents, he loses one of his own until he has none left. He would not be the only little boy who got NOTHING for Christmas, a fact he needs to be reminded of. Perhaps he would be more grateful for what he does have and learn to be considerate of others. If he destroys gifts belonging to others, he gets to pay to replace them, either with his own money or, so he can understand the value of work, with extra chores, AND, he gets to spend Christmas in his room, coming out only to eat or use the bathroom.

My household is far from perfect, but our focus on Christmas is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness and self-control. Come to think of it, that's our focus all year, since we, like Scrooge, try to "honour Christmas in my heart, and try to keep it all the year."

BTW, *IF* I were "feeling superior", I would never have taken the time out of my day to respond to either of your posts. I was genuinely trying to help and I do wish you a Merry (peaceful, joyful, happy) Christmas.
 
Wow - I would have never done those things when I was little. Didn't even cross my mind.

I agree with graygables about the whole 'paying for whatever present is opened'. I think you need to discuss the situation with your DH too - I think he was wrong to go out and buy all the gifts again, and you should maybe come to some agreements as to what will happen if your children open presents, etc.

Hope you have a nicer Christmas this year :hug:
 
vhoffman..I had a sad feeling after reading your story. To be crying in your room on Christmas because your family has made you so upset is heartbeaking.

I don't live in your home so I it's hard to offer advice on how your children can be taught to appreciate what you do or help them understand what Christmas is TRUELY all about. You have to discipline your kids how you see fit. When we were kids we always went looking for the gifts and never had the "you know what" ;) to unwrap them, but we would always try to peek through the paper and figure out what Santa brought us. I think your kids take it to the next level and totally disrespect you and your home. Remember, you are the one in charge and if your children have not learned the rules of acceptable behaviour and boundries by the time they reach adulthood, society will teach them for you and that's usually not pretty.

If I were in your shoes, I think I would find a charity through your church and offer your services as a volunteer for the day.
 
How old are your kids?

If they are old enough that Santa is something they don't believe in, skip Christmas morning. If they still believe in Santa, hire a Santa to hand out gifts one by one. When I was little at my grandparents, the neighbor teenager was Santa for us. Since he handed out the gifts one by one, they were opened one by one.

Scale back - two keepsake ornaments per child only needs to be one. It will still accomplish what you want - they won't have a completely empty tree. But they don't appreciate them and they won't until they are older.

Stop trying so hard to make Christmas special to your kids and worry more about making it special for you. It obviously means a lot to you, and just as obviously no one in your house recognizes that. Think back to the STUFF you got when you were a kid, do you remember how much or even what most of it was? Probably not - you probably remember just a few things. Capture the quality (and that doesn't mean expensive) in gifts, not the quantity.

And count your blessings. Imagine three sets of grandparents and a husband who insists on having a big party to celebrate his birthday every year in early December. We've started now with inlaw fighting (whose house for Thanksgiving) and it will go until the second week in January when my DH's dear old dad finally shows up with a gift for the grandkids he sees for fifteen minutes once a year.

We don't assemble toys Christmas night. We wrap the boxes and then the kids open the boxes and Christmas day is spent assembling. They are permitted to open stockings before mom and dad get downstairs (candy, a movie, and things like funky socks), but they've never come up with the idea of opening the rest against instructions. Still means we get up at 6:00.

I think you've made a mistake in forgoing your own gift. Part of what your kids don't seem to have learned is how to receive gifts well. You having something under the tree, you being excited about it (even if you know your husband bought you the ornament you asked for), you showing the restraint of not opening it. You opening it and acting suprised and grateful (even if its the same Reed and Barton Bell Ornament you get every year), is the behavior your kids seem to have missed getting modeled - or if you have been modeling it, they haven't picked it up.

We ALWAYS take turns opening gifts - youngest to oldest. My husbands family never did, but started when I came into the family. It gives everyone a chance to see what everyone got. It lets everyone model the behavior of being pleased (even if its something you aren't thrilled with).
 
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