Doctors speak out about H1N1 VACCINE DANGERS

[wvjules]

Seems like everyone on this thread either everyone they know is getting it or everyone they know is not getting it.

Hmmm, am I the odd ball that knows some people getting it and some not getting it?

 

[monkeybug]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";34117760]All I can tell you is out here in San Diego is where I am getting the brakes. All the docs as mentioned that I talked with are passing. I also have mentioned about the Doc I know in Philly....he is chief of staff in a huge Philly Hospital. If it is mandatory he will let me know, he will also let me know how he and his colleagues feel about the vaccine.

I also put a call out today to the Doc a few houses down the street who is a Internist...and across the street who is one of the leading Heart surgeons in the US. I am still doing my research. What I find I am posting....it is up to the reader to decide what they want to do.

I keep waiting to run across a doc that I know that says....yes get it....but that has not been the case. Although I have no doubt they are out there. I also have an appointment with my boys Ped to discuss it with him. Will see what he has to say also and report back.[/QUOTE]

I think it's unusual that you are running into all these anti vaccine Drs. Every woman on my moms side of the family except myself and one other cousin are nurses, plus my grandma and another cousin on my dads side. They are all getting the vaccine when available, as far as I know at least. My mom has been a nurse for 28 years and all the Drs. at the surgery center she works for plan on getting it, and are urging the nurses to as well. My PA, and the Dr. at the urgent care we took my daughter to are also recommending it, and anxious for it to arrive. Most of the moms I know are also planning on getting it for their kids, and from those I've talked to their Dr.s recommend it. The only opposition that I ran into is that the Dr. at the urgent care was not a fan of the mist vaccine and didn't recommend it, after my own research my son and I got it anyways, as I was worried about waiting for the shot to be available.

 

[monkeybug]

Seems like everyone on this thread either everyone they know is getting it or everyone they know is not getting it.

Hmmm, am I the odd ball that knows some people getting it and some not getting it?

I do know people who aren't getting it, though they are in the minority. I have a neighbor who is pregnant and is going against her Drs advice and not getting it or the seasonal vaccine. She is in the Navy and those are Military Drs who are advising her though so...they could be seen as biased I suppose. I also know a mom who got sick after being around a family with confirmed h1n1 last spring, they are not vaccinating because they are pretty dang sure they all had the real deal.

 

[LisaR]

What I love about these threads is that posters only read what is they want and not actually see what was said
I never stated that you said you wouldn't but instead I asked if you ever have taken any medication in order to help or prevent an illness from running its course. I guess your answer is that you would take an antibiotic, but you never mentioned any other meds like cough suppressants, decongestants, antihistamines, etc.
IMO, what I asked is a valid response to your post, where you question what ever happened to letting things run their course. If you have ever taken cough medicine for a common cold and you not opposed to taking an antibiotic instead of letting a bacterial infection run its course, or benadryl to control allergies it seems a bit hypocritical to say let a viral influenza infection run its without some kind of relief, like Tamiflu.

I am opposed to things that are not a necessity and I guess we will have to agree to disagree on whether Tamiflu and flu vaccines are a real necessity.

If I have a headache or a cough, I will take the appropriate medication if I feel it warrants it. If I have a bacterial infection, I will take an antibiotic. I will not take an antibiotic for a virus. I will not take Tamiflu (something I feel isn't safe) for a flu bug. I will not get a seasonal flu shot when I have only had the flu twice in my lifetime.

I am NOT at all opposed to vaccines, including flu shots. I think they can be a true lifesaver. However, I also think there is a gross overuse of them. I would love to know how we jumped from only the elderly and those with a compromised immune system needing a seasonal flu shot to everyone and their brother needing it now? I will also never understand the need for a chicken pox vaccine for the majority of the population. I do not believe trying to eradicate every illness is a healthy thing. I think we are doing our bodies more harm than good by refusing to at least attempt to fight things off without immediately reaching for the likes of antibiotics and Tamiflu. Of course, I am also not a fan of Purell, either and I think that is being overused by the bucketful. If they came out with a cold vaccine tomorrow, I would run far, far away but I bet I am in the minority.

Is H1N1 more frightening than the regular seasonal flu? It seems to be since there have been deaths without any preexisting conditions. I am truly scared and I mean that in all sincerity. However, it seems as if my DD has already had the virus and my son can not get the vaccine do to a severe egg allergy so we have to play it by ear and hope for the best. I take comfort in knowing that the MAJORITY of people recover just fine from this virus.

 

[disney1990]

Could either one of you point out where I said that I would NEVER go on an antibiotic or NEVER take medication? That is what I love about these threads. Exaggerate it for your own cause.

If I have a BACTERIAL infection, I seek treatment. But I make darn sure it is bacterial before willingly taking antibiotics and I certainly don't take Tamiflu to lesson some symptoms.

It is very unlikely that anyone in my family would be put on Tamiflu because I can not remember a time that any of us have ever been to the doctor within the first 48 hours of getting sick. I read on these threads constantly about kids waking up with a 101 degree temp and the parent already has an appointment 2 hours later. And yes, my kids have had some incredibly high fevers but I don't take them in unless the fever has lasted for days and won't go down or there are other symptoms that seems very out of the ordinary. I just had a friend take her kid to the walk in clinic because he had a 100 degree temp. They screened for strep and it was negative. No blood was drawn and no other tests were performed yet he is now on an antibiotic. Why?? And honestly, how can you really think this is right?




Thanks. I certainly hope I don't end up that way either. I also hope that my son is safe right now since he is in a car with another mom on the expressway; an expressway that is notorious for lunatics driving too fast and causing accidents. I am not really sure what your point is. Of course I don't want to end up on a vent but the MAJORITY of people getting H1N1 are not ending up that way. Is there a risk? Certainly. But at this point, my son is in more danger on the expressway.

Yes, I too, have not rushed my children, no does my daughter rush my granddaughters to the doctor because they have a temperature. My daughter, who is in the medical field, does not give her children Tylenol to bring down temperatures unless their temperatures are high. That said, with H1N1 out there, if a child suddenly spikes a high temperature, I would never hesitate to call the doctor immediately now. Children are dying in a number of days after contracting H1N1. The waiting, that is normally done, is not something that should be done now under these "out of the norm" circumstances.

 

["Got Disney"]

I think it's unusual that you are running into all these anti vaccine Drs. Every woman on my moms side of the family except myself and one other cousin are nurses, plus my grandma and another cousin on my dads side. They are all getting the vaccine when available, as far as I know at least. My mom has been a nurse for 28 years and all the Drs. at the surgery center she works for plan on getting it, and are urging the nurses to as well. My PA, and the Dr. at the urgent care we took my daughter to are also recommending it, and anxious for it to arrive. Most of the moms I know are also planning on getting it for their kids, and from those I've talked to their Dr.s recommend it. The only opposition that I ran into is that the Dr. at the urgent care was not a fan of the mist vaccine and didn't recommend it, after my own research my son and I got it anyways, as I was worried about waiting for the shot to be available.

All I can tell you is the info that i have been getting. I started asking questions when my 86 y.o Roommates doc said No way .....not enough research on it for him to bring it to his patients. So I started wondering who else feels this way....so I went looking. Not for anyone else but for myself and my family. They have all told me the same thing...lack of research.

Maybe where you are it is mandatory. No one has told me as of yet that where they are working that it is mandatory.

As for the mist.....many Docs did not like care for the fact that it is a live Vaccine. One of the reasons they started years ago making a dead virus was because of the complications to follow from a live vaccine for the flu.

I had brought my boys down to get the mist ...well my DH did 2 weeks ago but they were turned away due to the fact that they at one time had inhalers. My one son as slight occ Asthma, and my other son had an inhaler years ago due to a cold. I did not do research and did not know it was a live vaccine.

since than and since other info has come my way I am still opting out until some more research comes out. I am listening and I am watching....eyes wide open.

Kaiser has had the mist for 2 weeks and got the injectable Monday. We still have time and the strain at this point is not that bad. As it gets colder and winter comes I will see how things progress. At that time if the boys have not gotten it and if it shows that getting the vaccine is a better idea than not than I will get it. It takes only a week for this vaccine to train the body how to fight against H1N1.

No reason for anyone to get on ones case for getting it or not getting it. this is a discussion on the whys and why nots.....and we all need to remember that.

 

[mickeyboat]

I am opposed to things that are not a necessity and I guess we will have to agree to disagree on whether Tamiflu and flu vaccines are a real necessity.

If I have a headache or a cough, I will take the appropriate medication if I feel it warrants it. If I have a bacterial infection, I will take an antibiotic. I will not take an antibiotic for a virus. I will not take Tamiflu (something I feel isn't safe) for a flu bug. I will not get a seasonal flu shot when I have only had the flu twice in my lifetime.

I am NOT at all opposed to vaccines, including flu shots. I think they can be a true lifesaver. However, I also think there is a gross overuse of them. I would love to know how we jumped from only the elderly and those with a compromised immune system needing a seasonal flu shot to everyone and their brother needing it now? I will also never understand the need for a chicken pox vaccine for the majority of the population. I do not believe trying to eradicate every illness is a healthy thing. I think we are doing our bodies more harm than good by refusing to at least attempt to fight things off without immediately reaching for the likes of antibiotics and Tamiflu. Of course, I am also not a fan of Purell, either and I think that is being overused by the bucketful. If they came out with a cold vaccine tomorrow, I would run far, far away but I bet I am in the minority.

Is H1N1 more frightening than the regular seasonal flu? It seems to be since there have been deaths without any preexisting conditions. I am truly scared and I mean that in all sincerity. However, it seems as if my DD has already had the virus and my son can not get the vaccine do to a severe egg allergy so we have to play it by ear and hope for the best. I take comfort in knowing that the MAJORITY of people recover just fine from this virus.

Bolding mine.

It's because for some reason H1N1 is producing more and more deadly complications in a different population than seasonal flu. Seasonal flu tends to really affect the elderly and those with underlying issues. H1N1 is causing the same complications in young, healthy people. This is why the "target" population for H1N1 vaccination is so different than that for seasonal flu.

 

[mickeyplanner08]

However, I also think there is a gross overuse of them. I would love to know how we jumped from only the elderly and those with a compromised immune system needing a seasonal flu shot to everyone and their brother needing it now? I will also never understand the need for a chicken pox vaccine for the majority of the population. I do not believe trying to eradicate every illness is a healthy thing. if they came out with a cold vaccine tomorrow, I would run far, far away but I bet I am in the minority.

These couple of statements just need a quick comment. The reason that we went from only the elderly needing a flu shot to the wider recommendation is that in 20 years of only vaccinating the elderly where the flu vaccine only works in about 50% of them, we haven't seen any change in the picture of the disease. When you vaccinate a child, the vaccine works in a much larger percentage, and you interrupt the lines of transmission from our little germ-mongers to their grandparents.

The other thing would be that it would be virtually impossible to develop a "cold" vaccine because of the more than 200 viruses that cause a "cold." It is just not feasible to create a vaccine against all of them.

Again, I'm not sure why I continue to open these flu threads, but I also would like to thank Geoff and Ann for their voices of reason

 

[sersee05]

I also know some who got it and some who didn't..I also have my pediatrician who said he absolutely would get it ..and another pediatrician in the same practice who told me I should get it for my son but is on the fence for her own kids.

I did get it for my child. I was satisfied after all the research I have done that more harm would come to my son if he contracted H1N1. He is five and very asthmatic. A Cold can turn into pneumonia for him..I have been in the situation where he became lethargic and had to watch his sides suck in because he couldn't get enough air..after doing everything my ped told me with the nebulizer. It happened hard and it happened fast. I do not want to be that scared again. I feel safe and confidant in my decision based on everything I read(and no it wasn't one source). But that was my decision and everyone can make their own..

I just get tired of all these "youtube" experts all over the place. You tube also has guys who make their own movies by jumping off roofs onto trampolines..You tube just isn't the place to get medical advice. In fact, I could get a you tube video and say whatever I wanted and by the end of the day have 100 people following and believing in me.

People have said they feel bullied since they decided against getting the vaccine.. There have been quite a few people who have asked me if I was nuts to get a new vaccine put into my child.....I told them if god forbid my son ever goes through what he has ..they are welcome to come and see what happens to little ones who get asthma and pneumonia. No, I am not nuts. I am doing what I think is best.

I cannot let a virus run it's course through my son...the course will be straight to his lungs. I need antibiotics(when warranted) and vaccines to help keep him healthy. I welcome them. To each his own..but I am not a mindless parent who is doing what my government tells me too. I am scared just like everyone else is...

 

[LisaR]

Bolding mine.

It's because for some reason H1N1 is producing more and more deadly complications in a different population than seasonal flu. Seasonal flu tends to really affect the elderly and those with underlying issues. H1N1 is causing the same complications in young, healthy people. This is why the "target" population for H1N1 vaccination is so different than that for seasonal flu.

I understand the target for H1N1. What I am questioning is why most doctors recommend that everyone gets the seasonal flu vaccine for years now. It is not in relation to H1N1.

My oldest is 14. When she was born, the seasonal flu shot was still only being recommended for those with compromised immune systems and the elderly. When she went in for her first school physical, it was pushed on us big time. I remember arguing with the doctor about it. It was also the same time that the chicken pox vaccine had come out and I was suddenly termed an anti-vax mother. My kids have had all the necessary vaccines so I am not sure why I was looked at as anti-vax. More people may have gotten a seasonal flu shot this year due to H1N1 but this has been something that has been going on for at least the past 9 years. I do not think I have a single friend that doesn't rush in to get their kid a seasonal flu shot and none of them have compromised immune systems. I think the seasonal flu shot is a great thing but I think it is completely unnecessary for most people.

 

["Got Disney"]

Seems like everyone on this thread either everyone they know is getting it or everyone they know is not getting it.

Hmmm, am I the odd ball that knows some people getting it and some not getting it?

Nope...my friends are all planning on getting it. Matter of fact some are in panic because there docs still dont have it.

I am just stating what my M.D friends have told me and Nurse friends have told me. Being a nurse for so long I have many contacts. I still have calls out and when I come across a Doc that tells me yes we should get it than I will also listen to their reasoning. ...and not that they have to get theres because it is mandatory.

When we went for our reg flu shot last week the lines were longer than I had ever seen. As people talked in line about the H1N1 it came to me how easy people had no problem with ...if we are told to get it than we should get it attitude.

One thing i have learned after so many years of nursing is not to always trust what your Doctor says....research is full of Bureaucracy, do research, and make sure that your meds have no interactions with what meds you are taking.....Oh and at night time be sure that when admitted in the hospital, you have someone(family or friend) that stays with you if at all possible in the room at night.....

 

[luvmy3]

I am opposed to things that are not a necessity and I guess we will have to agree to disagree on whether Tamiflu and flu vaccines are a real necessity.

If I have a headache or a cough, I will take the appropriate medication if I feel it warrants it. If I have a bacterial infection, I will take an antibiotic. I will not take an antibiotic for a virus. I will not take Tamiflu (something I feel isn't safe) for a flu bug. I will not get a seasonal flu shot when I have only had the flu twice in my lifetime.

I am NOT at all opposed to vaccines, including flu shots. I think they can be a true lifesaver. However, I also think there is a gross overuse of them. I would love to know how we jumped from only the elderly and those with a compromised immune system needing a seasonal flu shot to everyone and their brother needing it now? I will also never understand the need for a chicken pox vaccine for the majority of the population. I do not believe trying to eradicate every illness is a healthy thing. I think we are doing our bodies more harm than good by refusing to at least attempt to fight things off without immediately reaching for the likes of antibiotics and Tamiflu. Of course, I am also not a fan of Purell, either and I think that is being overused by the bucketful. If they came out with a cold vaccine tomorrow, I would run far, far away but I bet I am in the minority.

Is H1N1 more frightening than the regular seasonal flu? It seems to be since there have been deaths without any preexisting conditions. I am truly scared and I mean that in all sincerity. However, it seems as if my DD has already had the virus and my son can not get the vaccine do to a severe egg allergy so we have to play it by ear and hope for the best. I take comfort in knowing that the MAJORITY of people recover just fine from this virus.

Yes, I guess we do disagree. I have a ds with asthma so I see the flu vaccine necessary for my family. Should he become infected I see Tamiflu as a way to keep his symptoms to a minimum and hopefully a shortened case and a way to help prevent a worse secondary infection.
I just wanted to address the bolded. It has always been recommended that everyone in our household get the vaccine because of ds's asthma.

 

[C.Ann]

I know one person who absolutely will not get this vaccine.. Not because of any so-called dangers associated with it, but because he's one of "those" people who likes to do the exact opposite of what everyone around him is doing - so that he "stands out in the crowd".. I hope for his sake, that's all that happens to him..

 

["Got Disney"]

I understand the target for H1N1. What I am questioning is why most doctors recommend that everyone gets the seasonal flu vaccine for years now. It is not in relation to H1N1.

My oldest is 14. When she was born, the seasonal flu shot was still only being recommended for those with compromised immune systems and the elderly. When she went in for her first school physical, it was pushed on us big time. I remember arguing with the doctor about it. It was also the same time that the chicken pox vaccine had come out and I was suddenly termed an anti-vax mother. My kids have had all the necessary vaccines so I am not sure why I was looked at as anti-vax. More people may have gotten a seasonal flu shot this year due to H1N1 but this has been something that has been going on for at least the past 9 years. I do not think I have a single friend that doesn't rush in to get their kid a seasonal flu shot and none of them have compromised immune systems. I think the seasonal flu shot is a great thing but I think it is completely unnecessary for most people.

Not to mention that they have found that the Chicken Pox vaccine is not what they thought. Many after being vaccinated still got CP and now they recommend that in 10 years you get another vaccine against it because it does not have a life long immunity.

I did not get my kids the vaccine...instead they got the CP.

I also believe that a lot of people are remembering the hype that came along from the media and the high alerts that everyone was going to die and stay in your house and dont forget your mask....from when this fist broke....soon after they call came out saying...Oh sorry...the Swine flu is no more dangerous than the seasonal flu. Gee thanks....

So with that still fresh in our minds and the fact that it is showing to hit a younger demographic...we as moms get worried.

As for many docs getting it to give to their patients....it has to do with the overwhelming amount of people in panic over we need it and we need it now. The Hospitals also dont want to have a waiting rooms filled with patients that start to come in with a cold or the seasonal flu in panic that it is the swine flu and that they are going to die. This way, the ER's stay less filled, the more serious cases from flu's and other injuries can be treated, and yes as with any flu the risk factor of complications caused by any flu...that is any flu....will be less. Hence goes Bureaucracy

 

[rie'smom]

I have yet to run across anyone whose doc is NOT recommending the shot, except for some people who are posting about it here. I also don't know anyone IRL who isn't planning on getting it when its available.

IRL, I promise I'm not getting it and neither will my husband or daughter.

 

[luvmy3]

IRL, I promise I'm not getting it and neither will my husband or daughter.

Well then I guess you are another of those people who post here that I mentioned Or do you think I actually know you IRL

 

[wdwfan16]

Honestly I cannot tell you who I know IRL want to or don't want to get the vaccine. So far nobody I know IRL has gotten it, us included. We want to get the H1N1 vaccine but so far have not found it anywhere. I do have a RL friend who wants it to but not luck for her either.

 

[rie'smom]

Well then I guess you are another of those people who post here that I mentioned Or do you think I actually know you IRL

I mean we're not cartoon characters, we're real people. No one single person that I know has had or plans to have the H1N1 flu shot. My MIL gets a flu shot every year but refuses to get this one.

 

["Got Disney"]

I also know some who got it and some who didn't..I also have my pediatrician who said he absolutely would get it ..and another pediatrician in the same practice who told me I should get it for my son but is on the fence for her own kids.

I did get it for my child. I was satisfied after all the research I have done that more harm would come to my son if he contracted H1N1. He is five and very asthmatic. A Cold can turn into pneumonia for him..I have been in the situation where he became lethargic and had to watch his sides suck in because he couldn't get enough air..after doing everything my ped told me with the nebulizer. It happened hard and it happened fast. I do not want to be that scared again. I feel safe and confidant in my decision based on everything I read(and no it wasn't one source). But that was my decision and everyone can make their own..

I just get tired of all these "youtube" experts all over the place. You tube also has guys who make their own movies by jumping off roofs onto trampolines..You tube just isn't the place to get medical advice. In fact, I could get a you tube video and say whatever I wanted and by the end of the day have 100 people following and believing in me.

People have said they feel bullied since they decided against getting the vaccine.. There have been quite a few people who have asked me if I was nuts to get a new vaccine put into my child.....I told them if god forbid my son ever goes through what he has ..they are welcome to come and see what happens to little ones who get asthma and pneumonia. No, I am not nuts. I am doing what I think is best.

I cannot let a virus run it's course through my son...the course will be straight to his lungs. I need antibiotics(when warranted) and vaccines to help keep him healthy. I welcome them. To each his own..but I am not a mindless parent who is doing what my government tells me too. I am scared just like everyone else is...

for you I agree that I would have leaned the same way you did. My son has Asthma but not a bad case of it and I am also a Nurse and have Docs I know across and down the street if we have any problems. You also said you have done your research....and that led you to getting the vaccine.

This is my take on all these threads and why I am posting on here.....is to just remind posters to do there research and talk with there doctors and not to just go blindly running to get vaccinated because the Media and the CDC tells them to. At the end of the day, we need to be able to go to sleep in comfort with the decision that we have made. And not say 2 months from know....well gee I wish i did my research first. This is what I said to myself after my boys were turned down with the mist due to asthma and my 86 y.o roommates Doctor said he will not be giving it due to lack of research. I thought gee I guess I better do some checking....

hopefully we will all feel comfortable with our decisions and come next summer after all this calms down...we can all say...we all turned out fine shot or no shot