Doctors speak out about H1N1 VACCINE DANGERS

[mefordis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1K74Tnrrok&feature=related

 

[dismom2]

...just some of the reasons we won't be getting the vaccine. Unfortunately, a lot of people believe that this is totally safe.

 

["Got Disney"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4SmFxyust0&feature=fvw

2:40...Infectious Disease Expert on FOX says.... HE states that "I definatley will not give this to my kids"....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1z7KSEnyxw&feature=related

there are tons of you tubes against it and the reasons why.....Take Vit D 2,000 units for kids....4,000 units adults everyday.....instead...you tube Vitamine D....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8tK0n18Als&feature=related

 

[mefordis]

Deaths linked to flu vaccine

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3318095,00.html

 

[Geoff_M]

Deaths linked to flu vaccine

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3318095,00.html

Ah, attempting to sow doubt once again, I see... Honestly, do you even read the items you link to?...

The Health Ministry ordered a halt of all flu vaccinations across the country after three people died on Sunday, days after being injected with the same flu vaccine.

The victims, aged 52, 70, and 72, were vaccinated at a Kiryat Gat health maintenance organization, where they have been receiving the same vaccine for three years. They also suffered unnamed health problems.

Yep, sure as shooting it was the vax that did those poor people in!

 

[Geoff_M]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1K74Tnrrok&feature=related

How about a video that doesn't contain people that have had their previous work discredited and have been suspected of fudging the data in their "groundbreaking" study on the matter? Oh, and following the anti-vaccine movement's rule of "any researcher with a financial interest in the issue must be ignored", then Wakefield must be tossed from this thread if we are to be consistent.

Ditto for the video getting basic information 100% wrong like claiming that the H1N1 vaccine contains squalene... Again, as the US Dept. of Health and Human Services has tried to say again, and again... THERE ARE NO ADJUVANTS IN THE H1N1 VACCINE BEING DISTRIBUTED IN THE UNITED STATES.

Scare, sow doubt, muddy the waters, post bogus info... rinse, repeat.

 

[dismom2]

For one thing, I don't want mercury injected into my veins. Do your research on that.

 

[Geoff_M]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";34109198]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4SmFxyust0&feature=fvw[/quote]Thimerosal "proven" to cause autism? Yep, this investigative reporter really knows his facts and is clearly an honest broker on this issue.

2:40...Infectious Disease Expert on FOX says....I definatley will not give this to my kids.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1z7KSEnyxw&feature=related

This expert claimed that H1N1 was loosing its virulence. That'll be news to the 9 of the 17 kids on my son's hockey team that were knocked on their butts by it in 3 days two weeks ago, as well to all of the parents of the kids that had to keep their kids home due to school closures (my wife's school had 28% of its students gone with flu-like illness the day before they closed up for two days). The data from the CDC also shows that the good doc was a wee bit wrong: http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/updates/us/

there are tons of you tubes against it and the reasons why.....Take Vit D 2,000 units for kids....4,000 units adults everyday.....instead...you tube Vitamine D....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8tK0n18Als&feature=related

Dang, to rid the Earth of all bacterial and viral illnesses all we have to do is take lots of Vitamin D... who knew? This dude's a shoe-in for the Nobel for Medicine!

 

[Geoff_M]

For one thing, I don't want mercury injected into my veins. Do your research on that.

I have... as has the WHO, the CDC, the NIH, European regulatory agencies, etc. etc. etc. Over, and over, and over. Bring it on! I'll gladly take it with my vaccines. Just like I don't have a problem with chlorine in my salt.

 

["Got Disney"]

Thimerosal "proven" to cause autism? Yep, this investigative reporter really knows his facts and is clearly an honest broker on this issue.

This expert claimed that H1N1 was loosing its virulence. That'll be news to the 9 of the 17 kids on my son's hockey team that were knocked on their butts by it in 3 days two weeks ago, as well to all of the parents of the kids that had to keep their kids home due to school closures (my wife's school had 28% of its students gone with flu-like illness the day before they closed up for two days).


Dang, to rid the Earth of all bacterial and viral illnesses all we have to do is take lots of Vitamin D... who knew? This dude's a shoe-in for the Nobel for Medicine!

Let me point something out for you....i am a nurse of 28 years......all the Docs and nurses(except 1) that i have talked with are not getting this vaccine nor giving it to their families. The nurse that is getting it is not giving it to her families. My research started after talking with my 86 y.o roommates Doctor who is not even ordering it for his patients because of lack of research. That led me on the hunt to talk with other M.D's that are friends of mine and DH.

Also to let you know that I did bring my boys down to get the mist but due to Asthma they could not.....this also led me to further research. I have a call out to a friend of mine who is the head of the ER dept in Philly to see what his take is on it and all his Doc friends and staff.....should be interesting conversation.

The whole idea of these threads is to have others research there info and decide what is fair and what is not.......I am happy that you are fine with the vaccine.....I am not....my Friends also in the Medical profession are not.....and if you recall the Nurses were going on strike against it being mandatory to get the vaccine because of the lack of testing and known side effects.

Just be informed.

By the way when I here from Mark in Philly I will report back. And also from my other Doc friends that I still have calls out to here in SanDiego ...and 3 more nurses I'm waiting on.

 

[Geoff_M]

The whole idea of these threads is to have others research there info and decide what is fair and what is not...

That's all well and fine... but I think that in the interest of those that don't have your medical knowledge, I'd like to suggest two things:
1) Don't post "research" that contains patently false information or presents conjecture as "fact".
- Thimerosal hasn't been "proven" to cause autism.
- H1N1 has not lost its virulence from earlier this year.
- Call me "silly", but I'm guessing Vitamin D3 is not a prevent-all for illnesses and the flu.
2) Remember that "Anecdotes aren't data".
(OK, three things)
3) Remember that correlation isn't causation.

Just be informed.

But don't be "misinformed" and then be so eager to share it with others. You'll also have to forgive me if I'm sounding a little impatient when the same bogus material gets posted, over and over here (at times by the same poster) well after having the problems with the information plainly pointed out.

 

[LisaR]

This expert claimed that H1N1 was loosing its virulence. That'll be news to the 9 of the 17 kids on my son's hockey team that were knocked on their butts by it in 3 days two weeks ago, as well to all of the parents of the kids that had to keep their kids home due to school closures (my wife's school had 28% of its students gone with flu-like illness the day before they closed up for two days).

Just curious if those 9 kids recovered fully in a few days to a week? Also curious why the 8 other kids didn't catch it?

I do not have a fear of thermisol or autism with vaccines. Honestly, I think those claims are bunk. However, I am opposed to something being injected in my body or my kid's bodies that we should be able to fight off on our own. Realistically, the vast majority of people that have contracted H1N1 (including one of my own kids, we assume) have recovered just fine.

I have the same feeling when it comes to seasonal flu. The seasonal flu was originally intended for those with compromised immune systems and the elderly but now it is recommended for everyone. We don't give our bodies a chance to fight off anything anymore. I always get a chuckle out of the people that get a vaccine every year and swear that is why they don't get the flu. Most people just don't get the flu every year - vaccine or not. I have had the flu twice in my adult life. Getting a vaccine for the past 25 years to ward off two years of the flu seems like overkill. For me, it is the equivalent of taking Tylenol every day of my life because I might get a headache some day.

That said, I am definitely in the camp of doing what you feel is right for your family. I just get frustrated with BOTH sides that resort to scare tactics or point fingers at the bad parents that don't vaccinate or the bad parents that do.

 

[disney1990]

You are always going to find doctors that disagree with treatments. If you want the other side, go to www.thedoctorstv.com They did a great show on H1N1 and the vaccine.

Yes, H1N1 can be mild in some children and adults. But, it can be deadly and has been to 100 children so far this season. Without vaccination, that number will be far higher before the end of the year.

 

["Got Disney"]

Dang, to rid the Earth of all bacterial and viral illnesses all we have to do is take lots of Vitamin D... who knew? This dude's a shoe-in for the Nobel for Medicine!

This is not the only person to state that Vit D is a must. I went to a lecture about this last year....maybe a year and a half accually at USD medical center and there were 5 doctors lecturing on the facts about the lack of Vit D that has been being seen over the last 5 years.

There have been many articles in the AMJ (American medical Journal) on this. It is not just this Doctor stating this as fact...it is well known in the medical community. Many Docs have started suggesting to patients to start taking this....just like they did with Baby aspirin to help prevent strokes and Heart attachs.

Do some research outside the you tube...you will find a lot of info on this. I just posted this from YT because I was there.

They are seeing a big problem with children there days because so many are on the Comp and do not get outside. Not to mention the increase of sunscreen blocking this out.

You will find also that the manufactures of sun screen will call this bunk and state that sunscreen out weighs the latter. Maybe so...but my kids in the summer go without sunscreen for 15 minutes when in the sun so they will make 10,000 units of Vit C for the day. Than we apply the Sunscreen.... The winter time we take supplements.

Since starting this we no longer get sick.....aches and pains are gone, more energy...and so on. We also take Vit B12, and Vit C. We did not start the Vit C and B12 till 5 months ago.

 

[Geoff_M]

Just curious if those 9 kids recovered fully in a few days to a week? Also curious why the 8 other kids didn't catch it?

From collected reports from the moms, the fevers (some were in the 103-104 range) broke after a day or two. One was tested and was positive for H1N1. Another tested positive for Strep. Two developed breathing problems and required treatment (one in the ER at 3 AM). One also developed bronchitis. No clue why some caught it and some didn't. Our son didn't, but he's goalie and the skaters don't spend a lot of time around him on the ice. Some of the kids are friends off the ice and had play-dates just prior to the outbreak. We had to cancel both of our games two weekends ago, and last weekend you could tell some of them still aren't 100% healthy.

Speaking of H1N1, kids, and hockey, this death hit home with the parents at tonight's practice.

 

[Geoff_M]

It is not just this Doctor stating this as fact...it is well known in the medical community.

I don't doubt that the vitamin may have positive benefits with regard to prevention, but that's not quite what the doc says in the the clip. He goes WELL beyond that when he states: "If you ask anybody who takes 5,000 units of Vitamin D a day, they'll tell you that they just don't get sick anymore... colds and flu just don't happen." 100% prevention... that's a medical miracle. The problem is that I seriously doubt that the claim is true as presented.

There's also a downside to what the doc is saying if the "antimicrobial peptides" thesis is correct... Just like over-use of pharmaceutical antibiotics, people making an overload of their own Vitamin D fueled antimicrobials could lead to antimicrobial resistance and speed the rise of super-bugs!

 

["Got Disney"]

You are always going to find doctors that disagree with treatments. If you want the other side, go to www.thedoctorstv.com They did a great show on H1N1 and the vaccine.

Yes, H1N1 can be mild in some children and adults. But, it can be deadly and has been to 100 children so far this season. Without vaccination, that number will be far higher before the end of the year.

True....but are you familiar with how many get sick from the reg flu, not to mention die every year....we are no where near with the H1N1 with what the reg flu throws at us each year ....many Docs are okay with the reg flu vaccine...just not the H1N1 because of its lack of research and testing and long term effects.

The Docs are also no longer testing patients.....if ya get sick they are just calling it the H1N1....2 friends of my sons got sick....the Docs told them that it was the H1N1 most likely but will check anyway....turned out to be reg flu. This at first had me concerned when there parents called me....because they are my sons cohorts....my son however did not get sick.

Also there are many flu viruses that go around every year. The flu vaccine only covers the one that they feel will be the worst one....that is the one they incubate and make vaccine for. The others they do not. So even if you get the reg flu shot and the H1N1 shot...you can still get a flu virus.

it's just good to be informed.

 

["Got Disney"]

I don't doubt that the vitamin may have positive benefits with regard to prevention, but that's not quite what the doc says in the the clip. He goes WELL beyond that when he states: "If you ask anybody who takes 5,000 units of Vitamin D a day, they'll tell you that they just don't get sick anymore... colds and flu just don't happen." 100% prevention... that's a medical miracle. The problem is that I seriously doubt that the claim is true as presented.

Why do you find this to be false. I had a bad history of bad colds and dreaded this time of year. I have a bad deviated septum and would get sinus infections and colds like crazy. Not to mention the flu...I had bad aches and pains for years thought to be due from my medicine I take for my epilepsy....3 weeks after taking Vit D all this stopped.

Persons that I have suggested this to also found great benefits. Am I saying it is a cure all....no, but a preventative to many things ...yes. My kids have also found great benefits from it.

Try it maybe you'll like it

 

[Geoff_M]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";34109997]True....but are you familiar with how many get sick from the reg flu, not to mention die every year....we are no where near with the H1N1 with what the reg flu throws at us each year[/quote]Please go look at the CDC trend data that shows the comparison to prior years.... http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2009-2010/picILI40.htm The virulence with this year's H1N1 is much higher than the "regular" seasonal flu.

....many Docs are okay with the reg flu vaccine...just not the H1N1 because of its lack of research and testing and long term effects.

Again, this is another "myth" that the DHHS and others continue to try and knock down. The H1N1 vaccine is no more or less "new" than each year's uniquely developed seasonal flu vaccine. Same production methods, different master-seed... that's it. All the H1N1 is is a 2nd seasonal flu vaccine to supplement the one containing the three other flu strains selected for use in the 2009 vaccine:

Myth: “This new vaccine is not safe and is untested.”

Clinical trials conducted by the National Institutes of Health and the vaccine manufacturers have shown that the new H1N1 vaccine is both safe and effective. The FDA has licensed it. There have been no safety shortcuts.

It is produced exactly the same way the seasonal flu vaccine is produced every year. It is simply a new virus strain. In fact, had H1N1 struck this country earlier than this spring, the H1N1 strain probably would have been included as part of this year’s seasonal flu shot.

Millions of Americans get the seasonal flu vaccine each year without any problems. Still, understanding that some Americans have concerns about “new” vaccines, the National Institutes of Health and the vaccine manufacturers have conducted more rigorous tests on the H1N1 vaccine than they do on other flu vaccines, and there have been no red flags from these clinical trials.

Also, CDC has stepped up surveillance efforts to track the H1N1 vaccine and any possible adverse events. Since it is so closely related to the seasonal flu vaccine, we do not expect to see serious side effects. But we are taking all the necessary steps to promote and monitor safety.

Our top doctors and scientists believe the risk of the flu, especially for pregnant women, children, and people with underlying health conditions, is higher than any risk that might come from the H1N1 vaccine.

http://www.flu.gov/myths/index.html

 

[Geoff_M]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";34110011]Why do you find this to be false. I had a bad history of bad colds and dreaded this time of year. I have a bad deviated septum and would get sinus infections and colds like crazy. Not to mention the flu...I had bad aches and pains for years thought to be due from my medicine I take for my epilepsy....3 weeks after taking Vit D all this stopped.

Persons that I have suggested this to also found great benefits. Am I saying it is a cure all....no, but a preventative to many things ...yes. My kids have also found great benefits from it.

Try it maybe you'll like it [/QUOTE]Why? Because until it's been demonstrated that 100% of people that take 5,000 units of Vitamin D a day never get sick... than it can't be said to be true. You can say it "might" be true, you can say "you believe" it's true, but you can't say that it IS true. The proof falls on the person making the claim.

Also, recall what I said "Anecdotes aren't data". You can't say "Well I took X, and Y happened... therefore the medical claim is true!"