Do you think the other Presidents will have such big funerals when they die?

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I have been mesmerized by all of this....... the coverage, the reminiscing, the pagentry of it all. I am glad to see it. Ronald Reagan is the first President I ever voted for and I liked him.
But I have been wondering...... will it be so big for the other Presidents when they die? I just can't imagine that it will be this way when Carter, Ford, Clinton, etc.... die.
I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. What do you think?
 
I think they are all entitled to a state funeral which would be the same as today. Would they all have it - I think that would be up to them and their family.

I think the only one who didn't have it was Nixon but I think a large part of that was why and how he left office.
 
I am not at all a cynic but I am wondering how much of this is politically motivated. I wonder if it would be so big if it wasn't an election year.

Denae
 
I'm guess that you all don't remember the funerals of past presidents. This is neither more nor less tham most of them get. 9 other presidents have laid in state in the capitol, for example. Politics had nothing to do with this. It was mostly set before Reagan left office, let alone became ill and began failing.
 

That's true Galahad, the only funeral I remember was Nixon's and his, of course, was not this big.
 
Originally posted by WDWLVR
I think the only one who didn't have it was Nixon but I think a large part of that was why and how he left office.
Nope, his funeral was done the way it was based on the family's request. As a former President, he was completely entitled to a full state funeral, just like former President Reagan.
 
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Originally posted by mickeyboat
I am not at all a cynic but I am wondering how much of this is politically motivated. I wonder if it would be so big if it wasn't an election year.

Denae
This is the same type of arrangement that John F. Kennedy had (BTW, he was a Democrat) and Lyndon B. Johnson had (BTW, he was a Democrat, also). Politics has NOTHING to do with it. This is all based on tradition and guidelines that have been in place for state funerals in this country for decades.
 
Each President is asked to submit plans for their funeral shortly after they leave office. All former presidents except Mr. Clinton have submitted their plans/requests for their funerals. This is done to make it easier to arrange all these details quickly, especially since no one knows exactly when they may pass away. I believe all former Presidents deserve the exact same honors, pomp and ceremony accorded to Mr. Reagan this week.
 
On the reporst I've been listening to this week, they stated that since Kennedy's death, President's have all been required to plan for their funerals shortly after they take office. It was speculated that some felt that too many decisions were left to Mrs. Kennedy during an awful time for her. Of course, she did a beautiful job on President Kennedy's funeral, modeling it after Lincoln's. So now, much of it is pre-planned by the President for themself. If the family chooses the State funeral, such as Reagan has had, certain things are defined and are part of protical (sp). I do not think it is politically motivated, other that this is a way for our nation to honor the office and the man (or hopefully woman someday) who has given so much to our country. I think its is befitting a President who served for two terms and survived an assassination attempt. Clinton has been our only other 2 term President since Reagan, but I expect that he will want his funeral to be as noteworthy.
 
Originally posted by Eeyore1954
Nope, his funeral was done the way it was based on the family's request. As a former President, he was completely entitled to a full state funeral, just like former President Reagan.
But *I* believe that the family's decision to do it the way they did was based on the circumstances of his leaving office. I actually was quite fond of Nixon, but I think his family just wanted to keep things quieter, and truly keep it to people who loved him, like the rest of his life had been.

Somehow, I can't imagine the LOVE being there for Clinton that's been there for Reagan. He certainly didn't have, or earn, the respect. Reminds me of an episode of Golden Girls, where Sophia and Blanche fought over the same guy, and then he died, and the service was full of women he had had relationships with. Ditto, Clinton. ;)
 
I will be surprised if Jimmy Carter has the full deal. He was the one who stopped having Ruffles & Flourishes played every time he appeared. His image was more "of the people" - simplicity. I remember people criticizing Reagan for being "show biz" when he re-instated R&F and some of the other things. They are/were just different men with different styles.

They're all entitled to it and as I understand it, it is up to them/the family whether or not they do it. I kind of like that they do it. I think it is one more thing that brings us together as a nation.....I just hate that it usually takes death to do so.
 
I can't imagine the LOVE being there for Clinton

I wouldn't be so sure. It will likely be another 30 years or more. Time alters perceptions a lot.
 
As far as the ceremonies go, I think all the former presidents will have exactly what Reagan is having. It's not political at all. With Reagan being so popular with the people, we saw a major out pouring from the general public. Clinton will have that too. A lot of people love him. He's also well liked in foreign countries. As for the others, well, I guess history will tell us in time, but I don't think the others will be anywhere near on this level.
 
All this week I've just been hoping that Gerald Ford hangs on for quite a few more years. I know he is entitled to a full state funeral and that he served the country when asked, but I can't imagine that commentators and public officials could spend a whole week talking about him.
 
Speaking of all Presidents having State Funerals......
I have to admit that my mind works overtime sometimes and while I was watching the funeral and seeing the President and all of the Former Presidents sitting there, I couldn't help but think "I hope that a terrorist doesn't attack in the National Cathedral..... can you imagine all of those State funerals?"
I know, it's a crazy morbid thought.
 
I've been giving this question a lot of thought, and i can tell you that many presidents in times past had funerals with a lot of pomp and circumstance, much like what we are experiencing this week with ol' Ronald Reagan.

Since the dawn of time the funeral is something that has given closure to families of all races, creeds, and nationalities.

The ancient Egyptians thought that they should embalm the dead. Even in those ancient times there were people who took care of the dead and took care of funeral arrangements for the families of their loved ones.

The ancient Romans used both cremation and burial and let the body lay in state for viewing by all. The ones who could afford the libitinarius, or as we call them undertakers, today would have them embalm the dead. In those days they would hire mourners for funeral processions and also purchase special clothing for the dead. These processions were considered to be a ceremony. Even during our times today these customs are still upheld and arrangements are made through the undertakers or funeral directors.

The ancient Greeks did not practice embalming and the families of the dead prepared the body for burial. Clothing especially for the dead and special flowers were provided by friends and also loved ones. They ancient Greeks would look at the body just to make sure the person was really dead. They also watched the body to make sure no harm came to it after death and before burial.

The Hebrews in ancient times would not consider cremation and the body was buried even without a coffin at times depending on the preference. The body was also buried the same day as they had no means to keep the body without odors. The family members performed these tasks and as they had more dead so then their skills increased to handle the dead. Usually the family of the dead performed the tasks of taking care of the dead.

Early Christians believed that death did not mean the end of relations with that person and that it was only a method of moving from one type of relationship to another. They would have a wake as they have today to view the dead and also to watch the dead and to make sure that death had actually occurred. As the years progressed Christians funerals were carried out by a clergy or a priests and certain organized activities concerning the dead were carried out as they are today. As the years further progressed dignity became a part of the service as it made the church members feel very important. They started a form of embalming which meant washing the body, putting good smelling oil on it, and also wrapped the body in layers of cloth. By this time the people who did this service were called embalmers.

At the start of the eighteenth century the undertaker was considered a person who had a trade as he performed a service to the families of the dead. Usually he had another occupation as this did not make him full time work.

The English made the funeral like a performance, with mourners and made a lot of gloom and despair as part of the performance. The undertaker not only took care of the dead and prepared him for burial but also arranged the performance.

In America in the east burial would include church services, prayers and ceremonies as it does today. The community would seem to come together after a death.

During the nineteenth century the states in America began to have legislation to regulate the embalming practice. They also became concerned about the health of those around the dead and the condition of the dead before burial for various health reasons. Death certificates became a requirement due to state laws.

In the nineteenth century most funeral services in America were held at the home of the dead. The undertaker would do all of his work at the home. Usually flowers would be hung at the door to let all around know of the passing of the dead. The undertaker would also come back to the home after the burial at the cemetery and remove all elements of the funeral service.

Today in America there are many funeral directors and funeral homes, as they are called, where the dead are brought for preparation for burial and where the service is held before the trip to the cemetery. There are many state and federal regulations today that must be followed for the care of the dead.

That being said - how does this relate to the question at hand? Historically, as others have said, the President has to submit funeral plans, usually on a yearly basis, to make it easier to determine what type of funeral the president would want if they should demise, either in or out of office.

This is the result of upon Kennedy's assasination, his wife, the fine Jacqueline, requested that he be laid to rest in the same style as President Lincoln. This resulted in hours of research in dusty books to determine what was done for him, while a stunned country waited to put the president to rest.

Since Reagan’s family requested the full funeral protocol, President Bush put into motion a detailed chain of command, with most arrangements delegated to Washington-area Army officials. Military planners flew to California to consult with the family.

Some other interesting facts regarding presidential burials:

Nine presidents lay in state in the Capitol Rotunda; all but two had served in Congress. Reagan did not.

Seven presidents have had funeral processions down Pennsylvania Avenue, including all four presidents to have died by assassination: Lincoln, James Garfield, William McKinley and Kennedy.

Kennedy and William Howard Taft are the only two presidents buried at Arlington National Cemetery.

Only sitting presidents or their immediate families have lain in state in the White House.

Ex-president John Adams did not even lay in the White House, even though he died while his son, John Quincy Adams, was president. The older Adams, the country’s second president, and Thomas Jefferson, the third, died on the same day — July 4, 1826 — which perhaps complicated Adams’ chances for a White House viewing.

The Capitol has a more expansive policy for laying in state.

Congressman Henry Clay, in 1852, was the first to lay in the Capitol Rotunda. FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover lay in the Capitol in 1972. Two police officers shot to death in 1998 while protecting the Capitol also lay in state there.

The first Presidental State Funeral was held in 1841 for William Henry Harrison, who not only has the distinction of being the president who died 30 days after his inaugeration from Pneumonia, but he was also the first president to die while in office.

The White House was draped in black in mourning.

Former President Lyndon Johnson was the last president, before Reagan, to have an official Washington ceremony.

I think I'd better stop before I get too long winded. It's Miller time!
 
If their wishes are to have a State funeral, then I would imagine it would be pretty big. President Reagan was a well liked man, as well as a President. The amount of people out paying their respects is amazing. If I didn't have little ones, we would have gone to pay our respects too.
 
Originally posted by Cliff Clavin
I've been giving this question a lot of thought, and i can tell you that many presidents in times past had funerals with a lot of pomp and circumstance, much like what we are experiencing this week with ol' Ronald Reagan.

Since the dawn of time the funeral is something that has given closure to families of all races, creeds, and nationalities.

The ancient Egyptians thought that they should embalm the dead. Even in those ancient times there were people who took care of the dead and took care of funeral arrangements for the families of their loved ones.

The ancient Romans used both cremation and burial and let the body lay in state for viewing by all. The ones who could afford the libitinarius, or as we call them undertakers, today would have them embalm the dead. In those days they would hire mourners for funeral processions and also purchase special clothing for the dead. These processions were considered to be a ceremony. Even during our times today these customs are still upheld and arrangements are made through the undertakers or funeral directors.

The ancient Greeks did not practice embalming and the families of the dead prepared the body for burial. Clothing especially for the dead and special flowers were provided by friends and also loved ones. They ancient Greeks would look at the body just to make sure the person was really dead. They also watched the body to make sure no harm came to it after death and before burial.

The Hebrews in ancient times would not consider cremation and the body was buried even without a coffin at times depending on the preference. The body was also buried the same day as they had no means to keep the body without odors. The family members performed these tasks and as they had more dead so then their skills increased to handle the dead. Usually the family of the dead performed the tasks of taking care of the dead.

Early Christians believed that death did not mean the end of relations with that person and that it was only a method of moving from one type of relationship to another. They would have a wake as they have today to view the dead and also to watch the dead and to make sure that death had actually occurred. As the years progressed Christians funerals were carried out by a clergy or a priests and certain organized activities concerning the dead were carried out as they are today. As the years further progressed dignity became a part of the service as it made the church members feel very important. They started a form of embalming which meant washing the body, putting good smelling oil on it, and also wrapped the body in layers of cloth. By this time the people who did this service were called embalmers.

At the start of the eighteenth century the undertaker was considered a person who had a trade as he performed a service to the families of the dead. Usually he had another occupation as this did not make him full time work.

The English made the funeral like a performance, with mourners and made a lot of gloom and despair as part of the performance. The undertaker not only took care of the dead and prepared him for burial but also arranged the performance.

In America in the east burial would include church services, prayers and ceremonies as it does today. The community would seem to come together after a death.

During the nineteenth century the states in America began to have legislation to regulate the embalming practice. They also became concerned about the health of those around the dead and the condition of the dead before burial for various health reasons. Death certificates became a requirement due to state laws.

In the nineteenth century most funeral services in America were held at the home of the dead. The undertaker would do all of his work at the home. Usually flowers would be hung at the door to let all around know of the passing of the dead. The undertaker would also come back to the home after the burial at the cemetery and remove all elements of the funeral service.

Today in America there are many funeral directors and funeral homes, as they are called, where the dead are brought for preparation for burial and where the service is held before the trip to the cemetery. There are many state and federal regulations today that must be followed for the care of the dead.

That being said - how does this relate to the question at hand? Historically, as others have said, the President has to submit funeral plans, usually on a yearly basis, to make it easier to determine what type of funeral the president would want if they should demise, either in or out of office.

This is the result of upon Kennedy's assasination, his wife, the fine Jacqueline, requested that he be laid to rest in the same style as President Lincoln. This resulted in hours of research in dusty books to determine what was done for him, while a stunned country waited to put the president to rest.

Since Reagan’s family requested the full funeral protocol, President Bush put into motion a detailed chain of command, with most arrangements delegated to Washington-area Army officials. Military planners flew to California to consult with the family.

Some other interesting facts regarding presidential burials:

Nine presidents lay in state in the Capitol Rotunda; all but two had served in Congress. Reagan did not.

Seven presidents have had funeral processions down Pennsylvania Avenue, including all four presidents to have died by assassination: Lincoln, James Garfield, William McKinley and Kennedy.

Kennedy and William Howard Taft are the only two presidents buried at Arlington National Cemetery.

Only sitting presidents or their immediate families have lain in state in the White House.

Ex-president John Adams did not even lay in the White House, even though he died while his son, John Quincy Adams, was president. The older Adams, the country’s second president, and Thomas Jefferson, the third, died on the same day — July 4, 1826 — which perhaps complicated Adams’ chances for a White House viewing.

The Capitol has a more expansive policy for laying in state.

Congressman Henry Clay, in 1852, was the first to lay in the Capitol Rotunda. FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover lay in the Capitol in 1972. Two police officers shot to death in 1998 while protecting the Capitol also lay in state there.

The first Presidental State Funeral was held in 1841 for William Henry Harrison, who not only has the distinction of being the president who died 30 days after his inaugeration from Pneumonia, but he was also the first president to die while in office.

The White House was draped in black in mourning.

Former President Lyndon Johnson was the last president, before Reagan, to have an official Washington ceremony.

I think I'd better stop before I get too long winded. It's Miller time!


I think I just saw Pop Daddy pass out! :hyper: :hyper: :hyper:
 
Just saw another thread that reminded me of an amusing story. We were watching the state funeral in the Rotunda the other day and my son saw Ron Reagan standing in the background and asked me what they "guy from the dog shows" was doing at the President's funeral. :D
 














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